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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22183148 - 09/03/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: It's disturbing that qman wouldn't rather have millions of Americans starve to death so he doesn't have to see brown people at his Home Depot.
Yeah, we would all starve to death. Great argument.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman] 4
#22183177 - 09/03/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Half of all farm workers are Undocumented. You're a fool if you think you can simply replace millions of workers without severely impacting the economy.
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble
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That's exactly what will happen if unauthorized farm workers are expelled from the U.S. — not just more expensive produce, but the collapse of American labor-intensive agriculture. Instead of milk from a nearby dairy, the only kind available would come from abroad, and it would be irradiated or powdered. Meat would come from Brazil, shellfish from Thailand, fruits and vegetables from New Zealand — and that's the good, expensive stuff. There would be plenty of inferior products too, and much much less of anything would be fresh.
But worst of all would be the jobs lost for Americans. According to economists, every farm job supports three to four others up and downstream in the local economy: from the people who make and sell fertilizer and farm machinery to those who work in trucking, food processing, grocery stores and restaurants. Do we really want to lose those jobs too? No one in America is going to benefit from expelling immigrant farm workers. And the cost won't be pennies: it will run to billions of dollars.
Why are you so anti-business qman? I thought conservatives were pro-business.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22183207 - 09/03/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Look at what happened in Alabama when they cracked down on illegal farm workers. They lost hundred of millions of dollars in agriculture products.
It's one thing thing to argue about what might theoretically happen if we deport all the illegals. But we KNOW what would happen, and it isn't pretty.
http://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business
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On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.
Alabama’s situation is not unique. Georgia passed a similar immigration law in 2011. When undocumented workers fled, farmers lost around 40% of their workers and $140 million worth of blueberries, melons, onions, and other crops due to labor shortages. This year Georgia farmers again fear they will be short on workers to pick the crops, and many have scaled back production or stopped planting altogether.
Yeah. And then they mostly recovered. Do you know why it wasn't perfect? Because there are 50 states and 48 of them as well as the federal government cheat.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22183218 - 09/03/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Half of all farm workers are Undocumented. You're a fool if you think you can simply replace millions of workers without severely impacting the economy.
Without Immigrant Labor, the Economy Would Crumble
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That's exactly what will happen if unauthorized farm workers are expelled from the U.S. — not just more expensive produce, but the collapse of American labor-intensive agriculture. Instead of milk from a nearby dairy, the only kind available would come from abroad, and it would be irradiated or powdered. Meat would come from Brazil, shellfish from Thailand, fruits and vegetables from New Zealand — and that's the good, expensive stuff. There would be plenty of inferior products too, and much much less of anything would be fresh.
But worst of all would be the jobs lost for Americans. According to economists, every farm job supports three to four others up and downstream in the local economy: from the people who make and sell fertilizer and farm machinery to those who work in trucking, food processing, grocery stores and restaurants. Do we really want to lose those jobs too? No one in America is going to benefit from expelling immigrant farm workers. And the cost won't be pennies: it will run to billions of dollars.
Why are you so anti-business qman? I thought conservatives were pro-business.
"They are the only labor available to do unskilled jobs"
What a joke of a article, pure garbage. I like the opinions at the end, calling it out. 
"anti-business"
Yeah, having more Americans working and watching wages move higher is so horrible.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
#22183247 - 09/03/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alabama and Georgia have demonstrated that she is entirely correct. Alabama had to get prisoners to pick produce. 
Qman, you demonstrate that classic conservative economic naïveté.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Patlal]
#22183368 - 09/03/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The world is not fair. I has never been. It is getting fairer every year, but it'll take many centuries.
15 out 200 countries got their shit together.
Elaborate which, please? (genuinely curious) My guesses... 1.USA 2.Canada 3.Italy 4.France 5.UK 6.Sweden 7.Denmark 8.Finland 9.Holland 10.Russia? Japan 11.Norway 12.Spain 13.Portugal 14.Switz 15.Poland? Iceland?
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shLong]
#22183390 - 09/03/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The world is not fair. I has never been. It is getting fairer every year, but it'll take many centuries.
15 out 200 countries got their shit together.
Elaborate which, please? (genuinely curious) My guesses... 1.USA 2.Canada 3.Italy 4.France 5.UK 6.Sweden 7.Denmark 8.Finland 9.Holland 10.Russia? Japan 11.Norway 12.Spain 13.Portugal 14.Switz 15.Poland? Iceland?
You got it.
Russia is out. Spain is out. Australia is in, New Zealand to. Poland I don't know, now that I think of it, I know nothing about Poland. I'll have to check it out.
Other than that, you pretty much nailed it.
EDIT: Iceland is definitely in
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods] 1
#22183391 - 09/03/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Alabama and Georgia have demonstrated that she is entirely correct. Alabama had to get prisoners to pick produce. 
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Qman, you demonstrate that classic conservative economic naïveté.
The naivete is all yours.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Patlal]
#22183395 - 09/03/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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Patlal said: The world is not fair. I has never been. It is getting fairer every year, but it'll take many centuries.
15 out 200 countries got their shit together.
Elaborate which, please? (genuinely curious) My guesses... 1.USA 2.Canada 3.Italy 4.France 5.UK 6.Sweden 7.Denmark 8.Finland 9.Holland 10.Russia? Japan 11.Norway 12.Spain 13.Portugal 14.Switz 15.Poland? Iceland?
You got it.
Russia is out. Spain is out. Australia is in, New Zealand to. Poland I don't know, now that I think of it, I know nothing about Poland. I'll have to check it out.
Other than that, you pretty much nailed it.
that was fun Forgot about our friends near the Indian Ocean (Aussies and Kiwis)
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shLong]
#22183406 - 09/03/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Patlal]
#22183413 - 09/03/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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damnit
And Greenland perhaps.. Looking like more than 15,but I get what you're saying.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
#22183420 - 09/03/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Alabama and Georgia have demonstrated that she is entirely correct. Alabama had to get prisoners to pick produce. 
Qman, you demonstrate that classic conservative economic naïveté.
If you haven't noticed, the conservative Republicans are now pro-illegal immigration/open border, they just faked it in the past and today they don't even bother.
Very few people give the economic details to this invasion, MSM covers it up all the time.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Patlal]
#22183427 - 09/03/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: The world is not fair. I has never been. It is getting fairer every year, but it'll take many centuries.
15 out 200 countries got their shit together.
Elaborate which, please? (genuinely curious) My guesses... 1.USA 2.Canada 3.Italy 4.France 5.UK 6.Sweden 7.Denmark 8.Finland 9.Holland 10.Russia? Japan 11.Norway 12.Spain 13.Portugal 14.Switz 15.Poland? Iceland?
You got it.
Russia is out. Spain is out. Australia is in, New Zealand to. Poland I don't know, now that I think of it, I know nothing about Poland. I'll have to check it out.
Other than that, you pretty much nailed it.
EDIT: Iceland is definitely in
Almost all white-majority countries should make the cut, especially when you compare them to the ones that don't.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
#22183431 - 09/03/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Republicans aren't conservative. That goes for Trump as well.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: D.M.T]
#22183434 - 09/03/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DMT, Why do you think that is? (no snark intended, again, genuinely curious)
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: D.M.T]
#22183450 - 09/03/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Italy Spain and Portugal are kinda fucked up themselves. Not Greece fucked up but not great by any means. They do not belong on that list. Iceland had a complete shitsorm a few years ago and fucked a lot of people but they seem to have recovered. Russia is fucked. China is seemingly fucked but how can anybody know what goes on there. Japan is not exactly great but should probably still make that list. As should South Korea.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
#22183484 - 09/03/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brazil is emerging as an economic engine also.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
#22183489 - 09/03/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shLong said: DMT, Why do you think that is? (no snark intended, again, genuinely curious)
Their problems tend to revolve more around the economy than violent conflict. I don't know what's going on in Russia or the Eastern European countries in that region, but in other white countries the biggest concern is money. This factor alone makes a world of difference. A lot of countries don't even have a use for money because no one has it. There's tens, possibly hundreds, of millions of people displaced across the globe because of violent conflicts that have been going on since before any of their living relatives were born. There's a reason migrants would rather risk being homeless in Greece than staying in Syria.
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zappaisgod said: Italy Spain and Portugal are kinda fucked up themselves. Not Greece fucked up but not great by any means. They do not belong on that list. Iceland had a complete shitsorm a few years ago and fucked a lot of people but they seem to have recovered. Russia is fucked. China is seemingly fucked but how can anybody know what goes on there. Japan is not exactly great but should probably still make that list. As should South Korea.
IItaly, Spain and Portugal have high unemployment rates and bad economies, and they may not be getting better. Spain had about a 20% unemployment rate last time I was there in 2010, appears as of April this year it was at 22%. So I don't think I would include them in the top 15 either. Still, you're better off in these countries than probably 80% or more of the rest of the world.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22183523 - 09/03/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Brazil is emerging as an economic engine also.
Brazil is hit and miss.
Consumer items can triple in price from morning to afternoon
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22183591 - 09/03/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Brazil is emerging as an economic engine also.
Brazil is in freefall. Do you pay any attention at all to current events?
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