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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
#22208075 - 09/08/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa]
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa]
#22208088 - 09/08/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Actually what they do is DEFAULT AND RIP THE LENDERS OFF. Thank me for your economics lesson. Can I direct you to Argentina?
If "they" is Greece and you're responding to my 24% bond yield post, then I suggest you read between the lines.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Adden]
#22208252 - 09/08/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dys said: How come the migrants aren't using laundromats?
They just wash up on shore.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22208295 - 09/08/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then your reading comprehension is as lame as your claim.
Actually that would be you.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: lowbrow]
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couldn't you at least make it rhythm?
here ill help
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Mr. Material]
#22208688 - 09/08/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dys said: How come the migrants aren't using laundromats?
They just wash up on shore.

At least they're not burning up like the Jews
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zZZz]
#22209133 - 09/08/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm middle of the road on the issue. Here's my take:
With as many as there are here, it really was nearly impossible to track them all down. And then on top of that to pay to deport them. I can only imagine the cost of deportation per illegal. Capture, holding, processing and then shipping. A lot of man hours, a huge prison and/or dormitory, and then making sure our process aligns with Mexico's? I dunno. Expensive.
I DO think that mass forgiveness and citizenship is the wrong way to go. Firstly, it devalues the process that everyone else had to go through to get here in the last hundred something years. Giving freebies to (people who really are) criminals (for coming here without permission) just pisses off all the Mexicans, Canadians, etc that had to do it the proper way. Secondly, it makes way for those who are here, not just Mexicans, everyone who had a child here before the president spoke to just instantly be an American, including extremists who made their way here through the south. We just gave citizenship to crazies, Muslim or mob Mexicans, what have you.
I believe a better stronger border is necessary. Again, we're not just dealing with poor Mexicans, but a huge potential for extremists to enter our borders. Some of our border is only protected by a small river. You cross it and you're an American. It's ridiculous.
I also think we should be finding a way to simplify the immigration process. Not just allowing everyone over here (every country has rules for entry), but making it easier for more people to potentially qualify for citizenship and expediting the process for the ones who'll benefit us the most. How would that be done? I dunno the entire process, so I'd have to leave that to the qualified folks. But it's not impossible to simplify. It's the government. Everything is over complicated with the government. So it can be made easier.
Long story short: What's done is done for the immigrants who are here. Make future immigration easier, but not free. Penalize the ones here now who are continually violating our laws and deport when necessary. (Just because we're allowing you to stay doesn't mean it's impossible for us to send you back.) Strengthen our border security. Eat tacos.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa]
#22209704 - 09/08/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroombasa said: News alert! Low bond yields indicate investor safe havens. The safer the haven, the lower the yield the country has to offer to attract bond buyers.
This is the exact same reason Germany hasn't suffered from the Greek debt crisis despite Germans holding the largest share of Greek debt. Insecurity about the future of the EU led investors straight into the arms of Germany because investors believed Germany was a safe house for their money. With the influx of capital and the perceived risk (or lack of risk) of German bonds, Germany was able to offset their entire liability with lower interest payments.
Would you also called Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, safe havens as well? Their yields weren't that much higher. It's called putting lipstick on a pig.
BTW, their interest payments only decrease if they issue or rollover into the lower bond yields.
That's what governments do to reduce bond payments. They "pay off" higher interest rates with lower ones. As far as Italy, Portugal, and Spain, you're the only one calling them safe havens, so please don't put words in my mouth. I missed the point where you rebutted my assertion that German bonds are safe havens and as such could command lower (or even negative) interest rates, so please feel free to comment on that before introducing more tangential arguments. As far as these countries yields being "not that much higher", even a few percentage points is substantially higher when interest rates are near zero.
It really doesn't matter, the historically low bond yields reflect the economic weakness in the EU, so why would flooding the continent with a bunch of illegal immigrants help anything? It doesn't, it makes everything even worse.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22210869 - 09/09/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then your reading comprehension is as lame as your claim.
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That's your comeback?

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makaveli8x8 said: couldn't you at least make it rhythm?
Im rubber your glue whatever you say bounces off my belly and sticks to you
That would have shown imagination, but clearly that's one of the skills he lacks... such as reasoning and comprehension.
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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
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The US labor force participation rate is as low as it has been since the seventies.
The labor participation rate: the last ditch refuge of the Obama hater. Labor participation rate are low for demographic reasons - as the population bubble known as baby boomers retires, the rate decreases. There are just more people in the age group that is currently retiring than in other age groups.
and yet why are so many retirees deciding to remain in the work force
dont you get tired of being wrong?
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#22211229 - 09/09/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: The labor force divided by the total population OVER the minimum working age is the participation rate.
Retirees are NOT part of the labor force. They are OVER the minimum working age. Therefore, when someone retires this causes the participation rate to decline.
If there was a maximum working age, it would be specified. I challenge you to find anything that says people over a certain age are not part if the working age population.
Explaining this is kinda moot, whether you get it or not, since the BLS explains quite clearly that retirees are putting downward pressure on the rate.
when someone is unemployed, are the part of the labor force?
what does this do to your absurd claims? it's clear that with more people opting not to retire at 65 that this huge exodus from the workforce you claim is happening simply isnt happening, the labor participation rate also shows the number of people that are simply not working because THERE ARENT ANY JOBS FOR U.S. CITIZENS WITH THE INFLUX OF ILLEGALS AND THE SHIT ECONOMY YOUR LORD AND MASTER CLAIMS HE'S IMPROVED
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/24/older-workers-and-money-s_n_1522484.html http://www.agingoptions.com/2014/10/more-americans-are-choosing-not-to-retire/ http://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/articles/2013/02/11/why-more-americans-are-working-past-age-65 http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/perfi/retirement/story/2012-01-23/working-retirement/52759600/1
you were shown all of this before when you made these retarded claims, you were also shown that the labor force participation rate included only working age citizens, not retirees which rendered your claim completely invalid since they dont claim 70+ year old people in those figures
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