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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
    #22207216 - 09/08/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He thinks that welfare recipients are a net gain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/world/europe/migrants-europe-lampedusa-sinking.html


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Would-be migrants, Mr. Haile said, do not want to know about the perils of his journey, but instead about his secondhand car, the government allowances he receives and his plans to find work as a welder once he finishes a two-year language course.




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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22207258 - 09/08/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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He thinks that welfare recipients are a net gain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/world/europe/migrants-europe-lampedusa-sinking.html


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Would-be migrants, Mr. Haile said, do not want to know about the perils of his journey, but instead about his secondhand car, the government allowances he receives and his plans to find work as a welder once he finishes a two-year language course.







Are they teaching this nonsense to young students are university level?  If so, talk about a waste of money and developing a warped economic perspective of the world, so sad.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22207265 - 09/08/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
    #22207286 - 09/08/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What they are teaching the empty heads is that that is a good and kind thing.  Meanwhile all the decent people are fleeing their countries and leaving them to be receptacles of human garbage like Boko Haram and the Mexican drug cartels and not fighting back.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman] * 1
    #22207319 - 09/08/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22207333 - 09/08/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa]
    #22207346 - 09/08/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm...I'm pretty sure I never said the EU as a whole would benefit from migration.  If you read my post, I said Germany would.

Yes, unemployment in the EU is high overall, but if you exclude the southern, economically weaker states it's a different story.  Germany's unemployment is 4.7%.  Germany's own government is saying that taking in 500,000 migrants per year is doable.  Why should we doubt the EU's most economically powerful country?




I highly doubt Germany's REAL unemployment rate is 4.7%, most likely triple that figure. 

Even if Germany (government or media) said the immigration into Germany is "doable", what does it mean for the average German citizen and their standard of living?  Not good, they don't want it for obvious reasons.


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    #22207352 - 09/08/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa]
    #22207429 - 09/08/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What they are teaching the empty heads is that that is a good and kind thing.  Meanwhile all the decent people are fleeing their countries and leaving them to be receptacles of human garbage like Boko Haram and the Mexican drug cartels and not fighting back.




What?




I thought that was quite clear.  They are fucking cowards.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa] * 1
    #22207435 - 09/08/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm...I'm pretty sure I never said the EU as a whole would benefit from migration.  If you read my post, I said Germany would.

Yes, unemployment in the EU is high overall, but if you exclude the southern, economically weaker states it's a different story.  Germany's unemployment is 4.7%.  Germany's own government is saying that taking in 500,000 migrants per year is doable.  Why should we doubt the EU's most economically powerful country?




I highly doubt Germany's REAL unemployment rate is 4.7%, most likely triple that figure. 

Even if Germany (government or media) said the immigration into Germany is "doable", what does it mean for the average German citizen and their standard of living?  Not good, they don't want it for obvious reasons.




That's great that YOU doubt the 4.7% figure.  I'll be sure to get on the horn with the IMF, ECB, and World Bank to let them know they're woefully misguided.




You know the official US unemployment rate is just 5.3%, do you believe it?  :smilingpuppy:
Do you understand the methodology used to obtain that rate? Or do you just believe everything at face value?


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22207507 - 09/08/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yuuuupppp immigrants get 700-1000€

I just quit my education because I couldn't afford train-traffic anymore. Which is €10 every trip. And youre goddamn right I ate stale bread everyday.

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Fuck em all


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa] * 1
    #22207530 - 09/08/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/business/international/european-farmers-demand-aid-as-produce-prices-sag.html

Collapsing welfare state.  China is crumbling.  Japan is stable.  Africa is a disaster and so is South America.  Russia is fucked because of oil prices.  But you think the solution is MORE people?  Who suck off the tit of productive people?




I'm going to assume you're lumping all European countries into your claim of the "collapsing welfare state", so I'll just go ahead and cite the UK as an example.

The UK has unemployment around 5.5%, a debt-to-GDP ratio of ~80%, 2.4% growth, and ranks consistently higher in human development indices than the US.  This is all despite the fact that the UK's tax burden as a percent of GDP is about 40% to the US' 25%.  I would hardly label the UK as "collapsing" using these indicators.





Bitch please the UK is the new Geneva of the modern day age. Good for the ultra-rich, shit for everyone else.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: qman]
    #22207549 - 09/08/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: shroombasa]
    #22207587 - 09/08/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

U6 (which is a another government unemployment statistic is around 11%). Once again, it's understated.

Is working a 10 hour per week job employment? No. When someone works 2-3 jobs, it counts as 3 different people having a job when it reality it's not, that skews the statistics.

Why are over 50 million Americans on food stamps with just a 5.4% unemployment rate?

Do you know what percentage of baby boomers that can afford to retire today?  It's around 25%!!!  Do you know the demographic that has the strongest job growth the past 5-10 years?  Yes, 50-60 year olds. Your speculations are NOT adding up my friend.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22207588 - 09/08/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://xplaind.com/927402/labor-force-participation-rate

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Labor force participation rate is the percentage of working age population that is part of the labor force.







Good so you figured it out then? The working age population is everyone over 16. So, when you retire you are no longer in the labor force but you are part of the working age population. That means retired people lower the participation fate. Do you understand now?


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
    #22207619 - 09/08/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Labor force participation rate is the percentage of working age population that is part of the labor force.







Good so you figured it out then? The working age population is everyone over 16. So, when you retire you are no longer in the labor force but you are part of the working age population. That means retired people lower the participation fate. Do you understand now?



Ken U reed?

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90 is not working age.  80 is not working age.  70 is generally not working age.  Just because you are alive does not mean you are working age.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
    #22207633 - 09/08/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Is working a 10 hour per week job employment? No. When someone works 2-3 jobs, it counts as 3 different people having a job when it reality it's not, that skews the statistics.




No. Unemployment rate is a survey of employed people, not worked jobs.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
    #22207651 - 09/08/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The 10 hour a week guy is counted as employed.  Woohoo for him.

The unemployment rate is a joke.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22207667 - 09/08/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol. Can I read? Look at the damn BLS website. Where does it say you are no longer part of the working age population if you reach a certain age? They even have a chart that divides the working age population into groups and the last one is "55 and over." Open ended. Because there is no cutoff. Until you are put in a nursing home, you count as working age.


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Re: Americans need to stop bitching about illegal immigration [Re: koods]
    #22207708 - 09/08/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I saw it.  Retired people do not count.

http://www.econport.org/content/handbook/Unemployment/Define.html

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While studying employment, another important figure to determine is the labor force participation rate. Here, we compare the size of the labor force with the number of people that could potentially be a part of the labor force. It is important to note that we do not include people under the age of 16 in this figure. In addition, students, retirees, the disabled, homemakers, and the voluntarily idle are not counted in the labor force. The labor force as the percentage of the total population over the minimum working age is called labor force participation rate.





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