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OfflineBitter Cactus
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Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever?
    #22182730 - 09/03/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I do. :shrug:

I don't think there is reincarnation, I do not think you go to heaven. I truly do believe that the 70-80 years you have on this earth are the only time you will ever be alive. After death, I think your brain just basically shuts down and you get eaten up by bugs and there is no bringing you back.

Then you are dead for trillions and zillions of years and that is basically it.


This idea doesn't scare me, for I know it to be true. Unless you believe in dragons in fairies this is basically what happens scientifically. :shrug:

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22182762 - 09/03/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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this is basically what happens scientifically. :shrug:




Events being reproducible is science.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22182766 - 09/03/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Sheekle] * 3
    #22182770 - 09/03/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no afterlife or resurrection.  Dead is dead.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #22182772 - 09/03/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It would be a mistake to not take into account the underlying factors that are present in this life.. something is going on here.

That said, I don't know.  It seems the only ones that do, dont have the options of writing up a summary on their findings.  Either way, if this is a one shot go, people sure seem to be pissing it away on shenanigans.  You would think believing in no heaven, no second chances, no reincarnation would have people treating this life as even more sacred since it's all you get...you would think one would feel blessed in having this 'fluke' provided to you.  But that mentality is usually just used as an excuse to furthur piss everything away and not care.

I'm of the mind to believe there is more here, than meets the eye upon first glance.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #22182806 - 09/03/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree.
I don't know what it is, but there's more than just atoms and molecules at the end. I think we're wrapped balls deep in a multi-layered simulation of simulations simulating simulations.

If you catch me drift.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22182810 - 09/03/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dream on.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22182814 - 09/03/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought you were heavily into the whole Jesus deal :shrug:

I agree though

Can you imagine how long you were dead before you were alive


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Tripsurfer] * 6
    #22182855 - 09/03/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You cannot be in a state of "dead" because it implies nonexistence is a thing. After you die you go back to the primordial soup that you came from. What that is, no one knows. But it's not nothingness.

No one thing ever "ends". It is simply transformed.

I too was an atheist. I still am to a degree. 

But that whole "after death there is nothing! it just stops" banter is silly. You know as much as any other religious fanatic what is waiting after death.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Asante]
    #22182928 - 09/03/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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this is basically what happens scientifically. :shrug:




Events being reproducible is science.




Science makes death happen every day of the week. It's reproducible as hella.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MoxyOx] * 2
    #22182950 - 09/03/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nobody is talking about matter (or substance) disappearing into nothingness. The compound of electrical signals that constitutes the illusion of you-ness and duality cannot exist without an organic medium.

As the body returns to a more elemental state of being the 'you' disappears. The matter itself spreads into other things. Existence continues but not for you :shrug:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #22182963 - 09/03/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You've clearly never even tried it. The screen fades to black and bright green writing says "Game Over: To Continue insert 25c"


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #22182987 - 09/03/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty sure once live ends it is over. :shrug:

Like before you were born you were not alive and it didn't bother you so I don't see why people always stress about dying. It is just like before you were born.


Just like when any other animal dies on the earth, once their brain is dead and their neurons are shot that animal can never exist anymore. It is decomposed and transformed into energy for a little bug so it can decompose more stuff.

Scientifically though, I think we can all agree that once you are dead it is over and you are never gonna see the light of day again in any way shape or form. What is the big deal though, death is a part of life and it is not something to fear.

I'm not pessimistic in any way, this concept does not bother me at all. If life were to continue forever and ever and you kept reappearing in different forms after a while it would get exhausting. :lol: After the trillionth year of reincarnation I would just keep killing myself cause I would be so tired of dying then coming back as something else I would be OVER IT.

Once you are dead you are dead boys, just appreciate the small fraction of time you will ever exist. :heart:

It's kind of freaky to think about this life is the only life you will live then it is over forever, but common that is what makes our time so special.



Also think of it this way. We had our life on earth. It honestly is time to pass the torch to the next set of life and that is the way it is meant to be. It is kind of selfish to expect there to be more and more time of existence after our one life.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22182997 - 09/03/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Capers]
    #22183005 - 09/03/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




I wouldn't even want it any other way honestly. It is what it is. This is life and death is death. :shrug:

I know that makes some people butthurt thinking about it that way but everyone should be happy they were born in the first place.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #22183007 - 09/03/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just as you are sure nothing happens i am sure something happens.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: DurgaDurg]
    #22183017 - 09/03/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I bet if you ask most scientists they would say there is a cycle of life and once you die you pass the torch onwards for the next generation. Anyone expecting something to happen after it is your turn in the cycle is kind of deluded to me. :shrug:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183039 - 09/03/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Our souls are eternal. I guess it's a scary concept for some people.

Having to exist for eternity can be a scary concept. What's the point of these silly individual lives which are merely a tiny blip in time and space?

I have astral projected on numerous occasions. The experience of literally traveling outside one's own body is pretty eye-opening.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183040 - 09/03/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I bet the vast majority of scientists do not believe in an after life. I don't mean to piss on other people's hopes and dreams though. You never know. Maybe there is an after life. I see zero evidence that there is, but the universe is full of surprises.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: chopstick]
    #22183058 - 09/03/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Our souls are eternal. I guess it's a scary concept for some people.




:rolleyes:

Both you and I know you have zero evidence to back up this statement.


I think part of being human is wanting something more after life but the reality is that is not going to be the case.


Edit: What is a soul anyways? Besides consciousness and having a working brain I don't think there is such thing as a "soul" that can be defined by science.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183073 - 09/03/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:jesussaves:


Y'all gonna burn in hell...:devilslist:

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183075 - 09/03/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no such thing.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: vinsue]
    #22183078 - 09/03/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Capers]
    #22183093 - 09/03/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As far as we know the mind exists solely because of the brain

Thus once the brain is dead, so is the mind

But who's to say consciousness itself isn't inherently tied to one sole sentient brain, perhaps when we die our mental information is wiped and our essence automatically locates a new brain to occupy somewhere in the Universe, simply because nonexistence cannot be quantified in the way that we understand it, therefore it has no beginning or end


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183100 - 09/03/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do. :shrug:

I don't think there is reincarnation, I do not think you go to heaven. I truly do believe that the 70-80 years you have on this earth are the only time you will ever be alive. After death, I think your brain just basically shuts down and you get eaten up by bugs and there is no bringing you back.

Then you are dead for trillions and zillions of years and that is basically it.


This idea doesn't scare me, for I know it to be true. Unless you believe in dragons in fairies this is basically what happens scientifically. :shrug:

Discuss.




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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183121 - 09/03/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with OP

I have to remind myself to not state my beliefs at work.  I deal with a lot of people near the end of their life.  They take great solace in the belief that they will somehow go on after death.  It does no good for me to pile doubt on that.  I still haven't come up with a smooth answer when they ask me if I'm christian.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22183122 - 09/03/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you truly believe that chemical reactions create conscious aware beings with a desire to consume resources and reproduce, then I guess it's a correlated belief that consciousness is extinguished at death.

If you believe that something "out there" had to kick start life somehow in order for lifeless matter to transform to organic matter that can generate consciousness, then absolutely anything is possible. 

When a rational explanation of how consciousness first appears in this universe emerges, then I'll be open to the idea that all awareness is extinguished at death.  Until then, the theory that consciousness did not exist before chemicals aligned into DNA to form it seems far fetched to me ... in fact more far fetched than stories of fairies and elves.   

In other words, where did all the "stuff" that created the stuff for the big bang come from, anyway?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22183127 - 09/03/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hell and heaven are ridiculous concepts by the way. Reincarnation is far fetched too because one your brain dies, your mind is done too. I really doubt some magic trick happens and you become a bug on another planet. The DNA is passed down from the mother/father to the son and there is no way you can go from being a dead human to part of that new living DNA of some random alien creature. That is not at all how the cycle of life works.

Why this is so hard for people to understand, I will never know. Until a scientist tells me one hundred percent that once I die I will be born again in some other way I am just going to assume that once these brain cells are dead then it is over forever.

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183146 - 09/03/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It will just be the end of your current form for awhile. It all comes back around. Change is the only constant.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183154 - 09/03/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When a rational explanation of how consciousness first appears in this universe emerges, then I'll be open to the idea that all awareness is extinguished at death.




There is a rational explanation.  Consciousness is simply awareness.  somewhere in the evolution of life, life became complex enough (nervous tissue) to have more awareness of the environment and themselves.  This is obviously advantageous for many reasons, ie, can seek out food, avoid becoming food, find mates etc.  So the trend of higher consciousness continued evolving. 

I'm not really sure how the origins of the universe has anything to do with that.  What are you trying to say?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Hippocampus] * 1
    #22183170 - 09/03/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you are all wrong.



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: empty space]
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22183249 - 09/03/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When a rational explanation of how consciousness first appears in this universe emerges, then I'll be open to the idea that all awareness is extinguished at death.




There is a rational explanation.  Consciousness is simply awareness.  somewhere in the evolution of life, life became complex enough (nervous tissue) to have more awareness of the environment and themselves.  This is obviously advantageous for many reasons, ie, can seek out food, avoid becoming food, find mates etc.  So the trend of higher consciousness continued evolving. 

I'm not really sure how the origins of the universe has anything to do with that.  What are you trying to say?




There is no proof at all that life can emerge from lifeless matter.  Countless attempts and experiments have been attempted but it still hasn't been done.  How did those first simple single celled whatever's spring to life in the first place. That needs to be proved.  Seems simple enough as there's life all around us, but it hasn't been proved.

Origins of the universe is the eternal chicken or the egg question.  Did consciousness create form or did form create consciousness?  Did Conscious thought exist before any form was even here? 

Again, when someone can prove that life can spring from lifeless matter, then I'll be open to the idea that life extinguishes at death.  I am much more inclined to believe that life CAME to earth from somewhere else either hitchhiking on a comet or directly seeded by advanced beings.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183257 - 09/03/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just kind of think it is selfish for people to expect they come back to life after they die. Like geeze, give someone else a chance to enjoy the gift of life.

You had your turn.


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    #22183306 - 09/03/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: DampMushroom]
    #22183315 - 09/03/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had a seizure at the gym a while back. I was on the ergometer rowing 500m sprints right after 3 miles of running I fainted at around the 25th interval. My buddy was watching me and he said I convulsed then I got up and ran then smashed my head on a locker. I came back all disoriented by a stairwell and it took 5 min until I knew what happened. This was after about 2 shots a bowl and a brownie with a lil ephedrine HCL btw. I saw nothing but electric lightning bolts and red green noisy dots when it hit me and I heard a terrifying squealing electric zapping sound then it was like my conscious brain shutdown. I think this experience showed me through science that all the living animals with an advanced sense of emotion or thought will be nothing but a shell at death; the neurons of the brainstem instantly loses the ability to work when there is not enough oxygen and the conscious minds we possess will all eventually become masses of bloodless decaying flesh. We won't go anywhere to purgatory or utopia like these religions predict based on my close call I can say life is made of fragile objects that may live extraordinary lives but in the later years cells stop dividing and the genetic material becomes exausted, every living thing loses the will to live and the carcass decays to be returned into the soil.




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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 3
    #22183318 - 09/03/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Think of it this way.

1. It hasn't been proven that life can somehow spring from lifeless matter. Lots of attempts but no success.
2. It hasn't been proven that there is a soul or spirit and it hasn't been proven there isn't.  So science has a big zero on both of these theories.
3. Billions of humans have anecdotal evidence of being communicated to by advanced beings (Gods) that life continues after death.  So, at least on the evidence side, even if it's anecdotal, much more on the life after death side of the argument.
4. For all the stuff that exists now or existed before the big bang, it's logical to deduct that there must be some reason for it.  The reason had to exist before the "stuff" was created or it wouldn't have been created.  Therefore, mind or intention came first.

Therefore, life after death is possible (not certain, but possible). Why?  Because mind / thought / intention was necessary for the universe to be created or exist at all


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183324 - 09/03/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When you die, you die.

If there happens to be such a thing as heaven, if there's no beer, I ain't going.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Patlal]
    #22183328 - 09/03/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No liquor in heaven, no whores in heaven, it would suck.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183351 - 09/03/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whats up BC?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183363 - 09/03/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Whats up BC?




Not much how are you doing bud


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #22183418 - 09/03/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm doing okay. Its good to be back.

So how long have you been a snitch?

I get it, you're a reformed version of Bitter Cactus and blow the mods any chance you possibly get but I guess I'm the idiot that that trusted a dude that had "Shroomery Cop" as his title at one point.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 1
    #22183543 - 09/03/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm doing okay. Its good to be back.

So how long have you been a snitch?

I get it, you're a reformed version of Bitter Cactus and blow the mods any chance you possibly get but I guess I'm the idiot that that trusted a dude that had "Shroomery Cop" as his title at one point.




I snitched on you cause you were trolling the pub with multiple accounts dude and pm'd me about it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183620 - 09/03/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I mean yeah I was fucked up. I basically asked for it. I wouldn't have snitched on you though. I guess its just in your DNA


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183624 - 09/03/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm doing okay. Its good to be back.

So how long have you been a snitch?

I get it, you're a reformed version of Bitter Cactus and blow the mods any chance you possibly get but I guess I'm the idiot that that trusted a dude that had "Shroomery Cop" as his title at one point.



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 2
    #22183629 - 09/03/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You put too much trust in people when committing illegal/inappropriate acts. Maybe it's you who needs to wisen up a bit.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22183632 - 09/03/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but I guess I'm the idiot that that trusted a dude that had "Shroomery Cop" as his title at one point.




Maybe it's you who should learn some reading comprehension :tard:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MoxyOx] * 1
    #22183645 - 09/03/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

in response to OP,

I used to, until I had an NDE and a few really crazy psychedelic trips which led me to experience synchronicity as an everyday present reality.

so between the seeming intelligent "coincidence" creator and the NDE, no.

I'm pretty sure this is some kind of learning place for souls, like high school or middle school for the soul.

probably elementary school.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183697 - 09/03/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but I guess I'm the idiot that that trusted a dude that had "Shroomery Cop" as his title at one point.




Maybe it's you who should learn some reading comprehension :tard:




So then why are you asking for an explanation again?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183715 - 09/03/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I feel my consciousnous will merge with the universe


that's just my belief though


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22183722 - 09/03/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Malcolm_Xtasy said:
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but I guess I'm the idiot that that trusted a dude that had "Shroomery Cop" as his title at one point.




Maybe it's you who should learn some reading comprehension :tard:




So then why are you asking for an explanation again?



I didn't ask for an explanation. I asked how long he had been in the profession of snitching. Cmon man seriously learn to read


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: SunnyD]
    #22183725 - 09/03/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I feel my consciousnous will merge with the universe


that's just my belief though



Mine already has.  And when I'm dead you are gonna miss me when I'm gone



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183743 - 09/03/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"So how long have you been a snitch?"

Everyone's a snitch if you dont hide your tracks and give people power they shouldn't have over you.

I know how to read, I was trying to give you advice.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22183749 - 09/03/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just busting your balls man. Its not really that big of a deal though I've already talked to BC about it anyway.

As for the OP. Once you die I do think its game over. I like to entertain other ideas every once in awhile though


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183767 - 09/03/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

subatomic supernova ..


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183770 - 09/03/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

@OP



YOU ARE BEYOND YOUR PHYSICAL BODY BRO!!!!

:awethumb:

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183773 - 09/03/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When we die DMT is released in our brain that is enough to permanently disconnect our consciousness from our brains. Our consciousness either goes back from were it came (hyperspace maybe :shrug: ) or maybe it reincarnates. The Tibetan book of the dead shit kind of scares me so I don't tend to believe in reincarnation but I think there could be something after we die.

I don't believe in god or anything like that but I think life is a lot weirder and stranger then we think. When we die I don't think we just die and that's it, that just doesn't seem like a explanation that is suitable and that isn't just me wishful thinking. I just think that there is definitively more to life then just you die and that's it. Life is not straight forward and there is something weird going on, life is so weird so I don't think it's a good explanation.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22183860 - 09/03/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183877 - 09/03/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.



Idk


I always hear people say they *see there life flash before there eyes* in a near death experience

Why is the dmt there in our brains at this very moment?
Idk I think it plays a part possibly


I feel it could be released during death or before death to make letting go easier?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183893 - 09/03/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've never met a single person that remembers a life before the one they have now, I find it highly unlikely after all the time we know the universe has been around that everyone magically popped into existence just now and will forever be concious of it even after death.

Is there a life after death....maybe....will we have memory we've lived before or ever remember this life, almost definitely not, so an afterlife is kind of irrelevant either way because you won't ever know of this existence again


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: SunnyD]
    #22183898 - 09/03/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dunno about you guys but when i die i'll become a higher dimensional space superwizard and fuck with people on their DMT trips.

y'all suckers will probably end up as dust mites or some lame shit.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183901 - 09/03/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.



Bitter Cactus just hates psychedelics and doesn't believe in anything he deems as remotely being "hippy dippy bullshit"


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22183915 - 09/03/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never met a single person that remembers a life before the one they have now,




I felt the same way until I spent a couple of months in Bhutan.  Changed my perspective completely.  Met some Buddhist monks that were aware of many lifetimes.  They take that stuff really seriously.  It's not about writing a book or becoming famous for them.  It's about really understanding who they are and why they're here.  They're oriented very differently from how we are in the West.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22183929 - 09/03/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We all live by our own delusions and justifications of the way we think, doesn't make any of us right or what we say true :shrug:

Not saying it's impossible, but to me it's the same as bill O'Reilly saying dmt showed him universal truth or whatever he claims, he doesnt do it for fame or anything but it's just as real to him as what those monks believe.

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183934 - 09/03/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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  In other words, where did all the "stuff" that created the stuff for the big bang come from, anyway?




If you could reverse time and watch the 'un-expansion' of the Universe, how long would it take for it to cease to exist? Is there a limit to how small something can get before it completely disappears from existence? No, of course not. One of the fundamental rules regarding the law of conservation of energy is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. What is matter made of? Energy (of some form or another). There couldn't have been a beginning to the Big Bang; the Universe must somehow have been expanding for eternity. Anyway, I'm getting off-topic. I agree with your posts, btw. I was just adding on my own thoughts to your statement.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: hTx]
    #22184050 - 09/03/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The opposite of death is birth.  There is only life.  Therefor, after life is... life.  Everything is "I AM"  All the people around you is you reincarnated over and over and over.  Even science calls us the "HOMO SAPIEN" AKA "ONE WISDOM" because we are all the same being sharing this experience we call life.

So do your best to better the world and take care of each other because there will be a new "I AM" after you pass.  When you die and you realize this you will either see how you bettered and harmed the world/yourself and your last moments will be heaven or hell because you won't have time to change on your deathbed.  This is why we should show compassion and love to all people and things, because they are a part of you and you are a part of it.

Or there literally could be different dimensions and your individual spirit goes to one that is torturous for an eternity or bliss for eternity.  But this is the one that matters most as it is the one you are aware of and currently existing in.

The correct answer is: nobody knows for sure until they die.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22184053 - 09/03/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Xplicit RelapzZ said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.



Bitter Cactus just hates psychedelics and doesn't believe in anything he deems as remotely being "hippy dippy bullshit"




I love psychedelics, but I don't treat the experience like a religion. I enjoy them for what they are and do not take them too seriously and act like I am enlightened. I believe people can gain way more knowledge about themselves and how to improve their lives by simply going to a therapist instead of tripping.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22184072 - 09/03/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Therapists are full of just as much shit half the time :shrug:

They're almost like psychedelics in a way. They tell you what you already knew to begin with but didn't wan to acknowledge.


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    #22184086 - 09/03/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

One morning after a long night of psytrance and dancing I was standing outside talking to some people.  I held out two mandarin oranges and exclaimed "All I know is that I have two oranges in my hand" and the moment I said "hand" I couldn't hold on to those oranges for the life of me.  I fumbled them and they fell towards my body and I still couldn't catch a single one.  The Universe showed me that I know nothing.  But I still have faith in love being the savior of humanity.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22184089 - 09/03/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Life after death is really bullshit though. As humans, of course we want there to be something after we die. I probably do too honestly. It really does suck you get one shot and it's over forever, but it is what it is. It is definitely human nature for everyone to latch on to any sign of hope that there is something after we die.

People love the idea of heaven, people love the idea of coming back as another animal. People are afraid. Let's be honest. We are afraid of the unknown and that is why we created religions in the first place.

But science is always the first to tell you that you live, you die, your brain cells die and can never be brought back. One little change in your brain chemistry, even from a drug changes who you are completely. You really are just a bag of chemicals interacting and once that process is over and the neurons stop firing you can never bring yourself back.

The cycle of life is beautiful, and trying to find some bullshit loophole so you can get another round is just selfish. Let some other person live the human life and accept it. You only live once and to think you get to come back for more rounds or get transported to some pretty place is delusional. Think of all the random animals and ants and rats that die. Do you think they go to some special place as well? Probably not. All we care about is ourselves and where we go when we die.


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    #22184090 - 09/03/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think "thought" is the most refined energy in the universe and God is an addict for it.  It's faster and more powerful than light, the second  most refined energy.  This universe is a factory to create a never ending steam of thought and light and the more advanced the being, the more that being can harness and "ride" that thought.  We are in early stages.  When we die, we become aware of another way to experience thought ... then another ... then another ... Why?  Because the creative force in the universe craves it and has an insatiable eternal appetite for more and more and more.  The human bio interface is just one machine for thought.  It wears out and we get another.


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    #22184111 - 09/03/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Scientists will also be the first to tell you that when you come up with an idea like reincarnation or heaven and state that it happens after you die, the burden of proof is on you to prove it as a fact or else the statement is false.

These ideas are cool and all, but I am all about science and science is telling me that your ideas are just ideas and not based in reality.


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    #22184142 - 09/03/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think ,ost likely there is nothing. Still, just because there is this one logical tick toward needing ecidance doesnt make that side right. we hardly know everything. I hqve almost n9 doubt there is life elsewhere, but wenhave no evidance. Perhaps it is just my bias


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Space Elf]
    #22184147 - 09/03/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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...One of the fundamental rules regarding the law of conservation of energy is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed...




I think that life or awareness is related to conservation of energy and mass. Since it can't be created or destroyed, I think life is not created or destroyed. Reincarnation aligns with this if you think about it. I don't think that you die and your consciousness is preserved, but I do believe that the energy in your body is recycled. You decay because bacteria and such feeds on you. The energy that was you just changes form. It is not destroyed. Personally, I think that when you die, your memories and consciousness just fade as your body cools down. the environment just absorbs your energy. I didn't explain it that well, but what I think is that like energy and mass is conserved, awareness is conserved. But, the awareness is directly proportional to the energy present. So, as the heat in your body diffuses into the surroundings, your awareness as you fades. As the saying goes, opinions are like assholes...


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22184163 - 09/03/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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...One of the fundamental rules regarding the law of conservation of energy is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed...




I think that life or awareness is related to conservation of energy and mass. Since it can't be created or destroyed, I think life is not created or destroyed. Reincarnation aligns with this if you think about it. I don't think that you die and your consciousness is preserved, but I do believe that the energy in your body is recycled. You decay because bacteria and such feeds on you. The energy that was you just changes form. It is not destroyed. Personally, I think that when you die, your memories and consciousness just fade as your body cools down. the environment just absorbs your energy. I didn't explain it that well, but what I think is that like energy and mass is conserved, awareness is conserved. But, the awareness is directly proportional to the energy present. So, as the heat in your body diffuses into the surroundings, your awareness as you fades. As the saying goes, opinions are like assholes...




That doesn't make any sense.

The whole energy being created and destroy spiel is ridiculous. Once you die, you are eaten by bugs and decomposed. Your energy becomes a meal for an insect that poops you out. :shrug: I don't see how that means you have to be reincarnated. You become poop basically.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22184175 - 09/03/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its science though.

Conservation of Mass


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    #22184187 - 09/03/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Its science though.

Conservation of Mass




Going from flesh to decomposed material is not an argument for reincarnation though. Your energy is transfered, but not from one life to another. It changes forms but you ultimately end up as soil I think.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22184190 - 09/03/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's right, your energy gets consumed by whatever is eating you. So, your energy changes form and becomes part of the life that is consuming your energy.


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    #22184195 - 09/03/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's right, your energy gets consumed by whatever is eating you. So, your energy changes form and becomes part of the life that is consuming your energy.




My hamburger I ate today was once a living creature, but that certainly does not mean the hamburger is now part of me and is brought back to life in any way.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #22184325 - 09/03/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never met a single person that remembers a life before the one they have now, I find it highly unlikely after all the time we know the universe has been around that everyone magically popped into existence just now and will forever be concious of it even after death.

Is there a life after death....maybe....will we have memory we've lived before or ever remember this life, almost definitely not, so an afterlife is kind of irrelevant either way because you won't ever know of this existence again



Well this may be due to the so called soul memory wipe of the moon. :rolleyes:

The light you see upon death is actually the soul structure of Earth, and if you go towards the light you re-incarnate back here.:eek:

Which is fine, if you like it here. :lol:

But yea some people say the moon is a base where your soul gets wiped of all memory, and that's why people are getting spiritual and waking up to the very essence of their soul.:rofl:

Learning stuff they don't teach you in shcool....:whoo:

The moon is an artificial construct the antithesis of a celestial object. :nono:

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
    #22184331 - 09/03/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe there is life after death.. maybe there isn't... Does it really matter?


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    #22184343 - 09/03/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never met a single person that remembers a life before the one they have now, I find it highly unlikely after all the time we know the universe has been around that everyone magically popped into existence just now and will forever be concious of it even after death.

Is there a life after death....maybe....will we have memory we've lived before or ever remember this life, almost definitely not, so an afterlife is kind of irrelevant either way because you won't ever know of this existence again



Well this may be due to the so called soul memory wipe of the moon. :rolleyes:

The light you see upon death is actually the soul structure of Earth, and if you go towards the light you re-incarnate back here.:eek:

Which is fine, if you like it here. :lol:

But yea some people say the moon is a base where your soul gets wiped of all memory, and that's why people are getting spiritual and waking up to the very essence of their soul.:rofl:

Learning stuff they don't teach you in shcool....:whoo:

The moon is an artificial construct the antithesis of a celestial object. :nono:

:thisisheavyman:



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22184348 - 09/03/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Send a :pm: to Psychonautica asking to un-ignore me. :strokebeard:

I'll tell you a bedtime story.:bigyesnod:


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    #22184359 - 09/03/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You really need to start remembering to take your goddamn meds




Our waking reality is incredibly predatory.  If there is an afterlife, who is to say it isn't just as predatory, if not moreso?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Detached]
    #22184401 - 09/03/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Once you die you're dead.  You cannot realize it because, well..you're dead, wouldn't matter..(maybe).  Interesting topic but my main concern is how i go. I would love to see some natural meteor strikage or somethin.

Reminds me of a conversation I had 14 years ago.

Would be great if I'm wrong tho, or maybe awful really.  Cool if you could watch over things in fast forward. 
 
Although if that was the case I'd feel creeped out right now or sorry for the ones that have seen me do things..  :tinfoil:          :tunnel:


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Once you die you're dead.  You cannot realize it because, well..you're dead, wouldn't matter..(maybe).  Interesting topic but my main concern is how i go. I would love to see some natural meteor strikage or somethin.

Reminds me of a conversation I had 14 years ago.

Would be great if I'm wrong tho, or maybe awful really.  Cool if you could watch over things in fast forward. 
 
Although if that was the case I'd feel creeped out right now or sorry for the ones that have seen me do things..  :tinfoil:          :tunnel:



The big question I can ask here is:

Do you believe that you are your body?

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: cApTaInCrAp]
    #22184427 - 09/03/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO


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I like to entertain that we inhabit our body, but I think that is most likelyna perceptual illusion and  we most likely are our body.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Adolin]
    #22184446 - 09/03/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO




That's a very valid point.

But I do agree I worry more about how I am going to die than if there is life after death... I don't want to be expecting it or suffering in the end. Maybe a heart attack in my sleep.

I wonder if when you have a heart attack in your sleep that you really end up waking up right before you die just in enough time to realize what is happening. I'm sure that the whole "they didn't suffer" line that you hear is just really bullshit fed by doctors. It's probably terrifying.


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    #22184447 - 09/03/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22184452 - 09/03/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



I believe I'm my body, just a belief, but I have many more reasons than this brief video by a nueroscientist to think that


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i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO




72 virgins are only good for at most 72 days before you run out of virgins, fuck that belief.


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I wonder if when you have a heart attack in your sleep that you really end up waking up right before you die just in enough time to realize what is happening. I'm sure that the whole "they didn't suffer" line that you hear is just really bullshit fed by doctors. It's probably terrifying.





pain is supressed while your asleep to some degree, and not everyone who has a heart attack reports excrutiating pain. some people have a heart attack and dont even know it till afterwards

i'm guessing it all depends on your situation, but of all the ways to die, heart attack in the sleep is probably a good way to go


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It was a debate


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    #22184482 - 09/03/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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72 virgins are only good for at most 72 days before you run out of virgins, fuck that belief.




fuck you, man.

i'll have my 72 virgins whether you like it or not. after ive fucked them all, i'll just make believe


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    #22184489 - 09/03/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Send a :pm: to Psychonautica asking to un-ignore me. :strokebeard:

I'll tell you a bedtime story.:bigyesnod:



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #22184494 - 09/03/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO



What happens after nothingness?:shrug:

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I like to entertain that we inhabit our body, but I think that is most likelyna perceptual illusion and  we most likely are our body.



Someone told me very recently something I've been pondering.

"You don't have conscience. You are conscience."


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    #22184502 - 09/03/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ive heard that is a mistranslation. Ive also heard they it could refer to grapes, instead of women, and thqt '72' really just means theynwill get many virgins. I dont know, any afterlife specifics make me quit listening.

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i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO



What happens after nothingness?:shrug:

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I like to entertain that we inhabit our body, but I think that is most likelyna perceptual illusion and  we most likely are our body.



Someone told me very recently something I've been pondering.

"You don't have conscience. You are conscience."




You are donsci0usness, as in, you are the perception of the body that became you.


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    #22184507 - 09/03/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

hmmm maybe the afterlife was discussed so much through human history because it helps us define ourselves around our own inevitable deaths; and perhaps we live better that way. but perhaps it's also wise to not believe in things that will drive you mad or drive you to kill.


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    #22184514 - 09/03/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO



What happens after nothingness?:shrug:






um... nothing? doesnt the word 'nothingness' imply that?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22184541 - 09/03/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ive heard that is a mistranslation. Ive also heard they it could refer to grapes, instead of women, and thqt '72' really just means theynwill get many virgins. I dont know, any afterlife specifics make me quit listening.

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i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO



What happens after nothingness?:shrug:

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I like to entertain that we inhabit our body, but I think that is most likelyna perceptual illusion and  we most likely are our body.



Someone told me very recently something I've been pondering.

"You don't have conscience. You are conscience."




You are donsci0usness, as in, you are the perception of the body that became you.



You can take this even further.

There was a thread from a being from another timeline.

A timeline where the industrial revolution didn't happen, or happened in a different way.

It's as simple as two people not meeting on a certain day.

Anyways, this being from the different timeline said it's people had a very different understanding of consciousness.

*Whoops I spelled it conscience

Anywho, consciousness.

They viewed the word consciousness as....

Relationships

Now what happens if YOU swap those words in YOUR vocabulary????

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    #22184576 - 09/03/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I will admit thatbrelationships shape consciousness, as does language, but I am talking about an individual biological experiance. I dont postulate alternate timelines.


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i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form


saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO



What happens after nothingness?:shrug:






um... nothing? doesnt the word 'nothingness' imply that?



There was a funny thread on the GLP about something similar.

The OP in that thread was arguing that non-existence was real.

That non-existence existed.

Well if non-existence has a place in existence, is it not existence?


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I will admit thatbrelationships shape consciousness, as does language, but I am talking about an individual biological experiance. I dont postulate alternate timelines.



How do you relate to your biological time machine? :strokebeard:


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    #22184637 - 09/03/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well if non-existence has a place in existence, is it not existence?




non-existence has to exist, or else everything would exist at once. that just isnt the way things work


existence doesn't have to be forever. some things only exist for a very short period of time before they get turned into something more stable


everything cant exist at once.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
    #22184686 - 09/03/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The big question I can ask here is:

Do you believe that you are your body?

OR

Do you believe that you inhabit your body?

Know your roots....




I would like to think I inhabit my body but I may feel it to be the other way around.  I'm a prove it kind of guy..as sad as it sounds I have a hard time not thinking "well why worry about it, it cannot be known" ..but i suppose that is the attitude that prevents things from being accomplished so that's no good.  Nonetheless... ..


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    #22184840 - 09/03/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That's right, your energy gets consumed by whatever is eating you. So, your energy changes form and becomes part of the life that is consuming your energy.




My hamburger I ate today was once a living creature, but that certainly does not mean the hamburger is now part of me and is brought back to life in any way.




I never said it was brought back to life. Read my original post. I do not believe that consciousness is preserved in any form.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22184854 - 09/03/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I dont want to die :sad:

Been gettinf insane death anxiety in the past few months..


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    #22184860 - 09/03/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No other animal worries about going to heaven or being reincarnated. I think most animals are even more aware then people that once you are dead  you are dead. :shrug:

It is what it is.


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    #22185000 - 09/03/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No other animal worries about going to heaven or being reincarnated. I think most animals are even more aware then people that once you are dead  you are dead. :shrug:

It is what it is.




nothing is that simple. once you are dead perhaps your consciousness goes to nothing, in which case 1 trillion years, or lets just say an entire big bang cycle, can pass like the blink of an eye since you dont have the consciousness of your current life to perceive time. Then when it is all recycled and begins again, you will eventually, eventually, maybe trillions of years later, wake up in a baby body that 20 years later will be like WTF why are we here and whats after?

You may not remember the past infinite lives youve had, but there is a fact of science that matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Whats here is here, period. It is not some one time event just because we question it this time. It could be happening over and over for eternity, because none of this matter that makes gravity, and life sustaining conditions, can ever be destroyed or removed. You will live a life as everything ever in this existence. As a rock, as an asshole down the street from a hippy, as a hippo (like creature), as a rich king, and a peasant.

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: ManianFH]
    #22185307 - 09/03/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What do I think?

There is nothing before and or after death.

There are no gods. Religion was made by smart groups of people to control a mass group of people from destroying each other and to gain power.

How did we get here? The Cosmos. We are not a one off "lucky chance". There is tons of life in the Cosmos. Some smarter then us. Some very very basic organisms.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Burning Warrior]
    #22185437 - 09/03/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The whole matter cannot created or destroyed thing is sort of a a retarded argument to say there is life after death. When I take a shit my matter is being transferred into the toilet but that doesn't give me any hope there is an after life.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22185557 - 09/03/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole matter cannot created or destroyed thing is sort of a a retarded argument to say there is life after death. When I take a shit my matter is being transferred into the toilet but that doesn't give me any hope there is an after life.





eating something and shitting it out doesn't discount the possibility of an afterlife in any way :lol:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Adolin]
    #22185596 - 09/03/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And by the way, there is no such thing as a soul.

Ask any scientist if there is evidence of a soul. There is NONE.

The burden of proof is on you to prove there is a soul because it is a bullshit claim, since y'all have no proof that means there is no such thing as a soul.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22185613 - 09/03/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The human soul weighs 21 grams.

That's science.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22185621 - 09/03/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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And by the way, there is no such thing as a soul.

Ask any scientist if there is evidence of a soul. There is NONE.

The burden of proof is on you to prove there is a soul because it is a bullshit claim, since y'all have no proof that means there is no such thing as a soul.




the burden of proof isnt on anyone - there is no evidence for or against the possibility of a 'soul',



and dont 'yall' me, i never said i was religious or anything, i just said i dont subscribe to one, unconfirmable opinion.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Adolin]
    #22185645 - 09/03/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe the concept of afterlife is meant to encourage people to do good things and build up the world around them because there will be new "I AMs" and we inherited both the good and bad of the world so it's up to us to try and make it better, because there will be a new "you" after you die, even if it isn't the same ego/identity.


And you are a soul, you don't have one.  We are all different souls of the same spirit, I AM, which manifests all things made of matter.

Do you deny having emotions?  Do you believe emotions are strictly chemicals or merely affected by chemicals?


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    #22185658 - 09/03/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly I don't even know what the fuck a soul is. :lol: I see people throw around so many different definitions. Is a soul something that is eternal? Because if it is then I think there is no soul.

Take someone who has brain damage for example. There is no bringing back the person they were before. I think whatever drugs you have taken that day can completely change who you are so a lot of it does have to do with chemical balance.

Define soul cause the concept of it confuses me.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22185670 - 09/03/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Does anyone not?

I thought you fuckers were supposed to be enlightened and not a...what's the singular of sheeple? Sherson? Anyway, yes, when you die you're dead.

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    #22185713 - 09/03/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22185799 - 09/03/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no such thing as enlightenment.  Based on the buddhist concept, when someone becomes enlightened they would transcend the physical world of matter, no longer existing in it.  To become enlightened one must free themselves of all desires.  In order for us to know about enlightenment, someone would have had to become enlightened and therefor wouldn't exist in this physical world.  If they were able to travel back and forth, they would have to desire for someone to know about enlightenment, thus taking away their enlightenment.  Therefor, the only true enlightenment is realizing there is no such thing as enlightenment.  Sorry Buddha, you've got a lot of wisdom for peace of mind tho.

I believe the brain is a transmitter and receiver of consciousness, but not the creator of it.  This is why if it is damaged it can affect how it is transmitted and received.  That would make your body and the the emotions tied to your experience your soul.

The Universal consciousness/energy that you tap into is the Holy Spirit.  The Universe is all-knowledge, all powerful, and all-present.  It made you in it's image- you literally discover yourself by learning and interacting with the world around you.  When drops of rain form, they each have a unique volume and they accelerate at a constant rate -9.8 m/s/s towards the ocean. When we are born we each have our unique features and we start falling through time at a constant rate- 60 sec/min, 60 min/hr, etc... 

The entire time we are alive we are staring at the Universe, thinking we are separate.  But the raindrop is just water, just as the ocean is.  The separation is an illusion presented by time.  We are literally made from the world around us, we eat it and it becomes us.  We are staring at ourselves our entire lives, and when we die we splash back to the ocean of consciousness that is manifesting all matter.  We are raindrops of the Universe.  The Raindrop would be the soul, and the ocean would be the Spirit from which it came from.  I believe this is the same as the philosophy Atman-Brahman, where your soul is the Atman and the Universe(not matter, but the energy that manifests it) is the Brahman and they are one in the same.

This is what namaste is referring to- the soul in me acknowledges the soul in you, aka I AM in me see's the I AM in you and respects it.  This is why we should live for each other, because we are each other as spirit, brothers and sisters as souls.  The soul taps into that spirit when it lives selflessly and rejoices in the power of love.   

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    #22185911 - 09/03/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #22185930 - 09/03/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

At the individual level, life is completely over upon death.
Even traditions like Advaita Vedanta (philisophical Hinduism) and Buddhism, that discuss the idea of reincarnation, discuss this sentiment in various ways.

At the larger level, Life goes on even without my consciousness directly observing it.
The remains of my physical body will feed the plants in the soils.
The remains of my thoughts and emotional energies will continue through those whose lives I have touched.

The Buddhist perception of reincarnation is like a candle lighting a candle that lights a subsequent series of candles -- it is not that a soul or Atman travels from body to body. 

Buddha and Adi Shankara both taught about this -- Indeed, in both traditions a lack of permanent self is a central teaching, despite both traditions often being associated with the idea of reincarnation.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatman_%28Hinduism%29

For anyone interested in this philosophical idea taken even further, Nagarjuna's text the Mūlamadhyamakakārikā is a really great read.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Tantrika]
    #22185942 - 09/03/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

depends on what sect of buddhism you're talking about. tibetans believe in reincarnation right?


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    #22185971 - 09/04/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Scientists will also be the first to tell you that when you come up with an idea like reincarnation or heaven and state that it happens after you die, the burden of proof is on you to prove it as a fact or else the statement is false.

These ideas are cool and all, but I am all about science and science is telling me that your ideas are just ideas and not based in reality.



what about experience?

Why is the experience of reincarnation itself never brought up or analyzed?

For example, there are a few hundred trip reports online with people describing experiencing multiple past-lives advancing up the spectrum of consciousness, the past incarnations of oneself up to and in some, past oneself.

Thousands (probably millions) of people throughout history have reported similar experiences without the use of psychedelics.

Why are people having these experiences?
Obviously its not just a continual 'lie' throughout history, this is an actual phenomena of human experience.

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    #22185981 - 09/04/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

man that could be like just tapping into the collective and the 5th dimension allowing you to access other points in space time like whoa
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    #22186154 - 09/04/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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depends on what sect of buddhism you're talking about. tibetans believe in reincarnation right?




A lot of Tibetan Buddhism is a number of further sub-sects of a broader category known as Vajrayana Buddhism.  Vajrayana is Tantric Buddhism.
Vajrayana is a system that stemmed out of Mahayana Buddhism, of which the work by Nagarjuna that was mentioned is a major formative teaching.

One of the issues that came up was when Mahayana Buddhism reached East Asia, they really had to emphasis social action in order to compete with the well-established teachings of Confucianism and Daoism.  Early Buddhism focused on a need to withdraw from society that really clashed with the importance of social values and order in Confucianism -- as Buddhism was a foreign religion to the area, it was easier to reject than the breakaway from Hinduism when it initially developed in India.  Buddhism emphasized and established new teachings by new writers, and Mahayana Buddhism became something separate from Theravada Buddhism, which proclaims to follow only the original teachings of the Buddha.

As such, the idea of the Bodhisattva vow is really prevalent through Mahayana traditions prior to Vajrayana.  The Bodhisattva vow is an idea that an individual will willfully continually reincarnate for the good of all beings -- it does not necessitate an idea of a permanent self quite so much as active compassion, but the outside view that it is promoting such a sentiment is fairly valid.
Vajrayana Buddhism is actually sort of a break-away from Mahayana traditions that were becoming convoluted; and re-established an idea that a person could become an enlightened Buddha in this very lifetime rather than being subject to continual reincarnation to that end.

The Tulku system is the formalized idea of reincarnation in Tibetan Buddhism, and it gets a little messy.
First and formost, it is probably worth noting that the Tulku system allowed for a pretty controlled passage of power and a continual lineage of ruling class.
On the other hand, having watched a really interesting documentary called Unmistaken Child which chronicled the search for a reincarnated master who recently died, the system is rather weird.  They actually take objects that belonged to the former master from child to child in a predicted area -- the objects are mixed with a bunch of other random similar articles, and the child declared to be the reincarnation of the master is the child who is able to consistently choose all of the previous master's items with no errors.

Despite the level of oddity and uncanny occurrences involved in the location process, my feedback on the Tulku system is mostly of the view that it was devised as a system of passing power more than a philosophical consistency within the tradition -- reflecting on the teaching of Marpa and Milarepa (early teachers that helped establish Vajrayana in Tibet), do not really recall any sense that reincarnation was anything other than the original Buddha's sentiment.  It is possible I am forgetting something, but I do remember Milarepa's life was one of early turmoil over a fear of having generated bad karma and wanting to fix things for the next life, and eventually receiving teachings from Marpa that liberated him in his own lifetime instead.

It is also interesting to stop and consider now that I have written this but...the Tulku system that passed royal lineage through Tibet actually kind of makes me think of the caste system in early India.
Social mobility was tied to an idea that individuals had to be reborn into positions of the powerful caste. 
Renunciation of this sentiment was one of the things that Buddha was pretty big on -- he started a tradition that specifically broke out of the old Vedic expressions of reincarnation and social hierarchy.

Uhhh, that ended up far more wordy than I had intended.

Maybe as a TL;DR
Many modern Tibetan Buddhists do indeed seem to hold to a more conventional idea of reincarnation, but the system established itself later on in terms of Buddhist history.
There is indeed a level of contrast between some core teachings and what appeals to the masses at a conventional level though.
It may well be appropriate to say that Buddhism does not rally teach a sense of a permanent self, but that many Buddhists frequently still hold to such a concept as a way of helping to order their sense of the world.  In Religious Studies, there was a fair bit of acknowledgement that Buddhism as a philosophical tradition and Buddhism as a living religion have some pretty dramatic contrasts.

But yes, you are correct to specify that a lot of variables can change by religious sect.

Think that a lot of trying to label what happens beyond death is a matter of establishing a sense or order -- whether it is an afterlife or a rebirth, it alleviates stress from the common person to consider that their lot in the current life and resentment over a lack of social mobility may change in the next.  An idea that though this life sucks, enough focused effort will make the afterlife or the next life better.
In more modern times, we have some degree of social mobility that can be achieved in the current lifetime -- focusing on what happens after death as anything other than the legacy we leave is potentially cheating ourselves of the fullness of this life.


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    #22186161 - 09/04/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no afterlife or resurrection.  Dead is dead.





a petty bold statement coming from someone that only knows what its like to be alive.


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    #22186294 - 09/04/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol science doesnt explain everything. Please try explain to me (with 100% certainty) how we even got here in the first place to be existing? Oh wait, you cant. Damn.

I personally believe there is much more after this life we are currently in.


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    #22186395 - 09/04/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't draw any conclusions or solid beliefs until I see objective facts. It's safe to assume I'll never draw any conclusions about this subject, and I'm cool with it. I could speculate forever on the nature of existence, but it's 6am right now so fuck that.


The only thing I know for sure about where "I'll" go after I die, is that I've been there before.


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    #22186464 - 09/04/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

With regards to science ... There is no "proof" of an afterlife nor is there any proof the afterlife doesn't exist.  On the other hand, there are literally billions of people that have lived on this planet that claimed a direct experience with either advanced beings from a multi-dimensional afterlife world or some kind of near death experience ("NDE") that brought them near or into an afterlife world-reality.  So the anecdotal evidence clearly points toward an afterlife.  There is also the 21 grams scientific study which most are familiar with.

For those that do not believe in an afterlife, why exactly does the brain create these incredibly elaborate near death experience with lengthy full life reviews, visits to libraries with the history of the universe and the experience of visits to all kinds of possible realms? For what possible reason if it's just lights out and it's over at the end?  Why would the brain concoct all this trickery at the moment of death?  WHY?  Also, what exactly are these incredibly complex and infinitely varied astral realms that out of body and lucid dreaming travelers are finding and visiting.  How does the brain create them having never seen them before?  They are far, far more elaborate than any imaginary experience we can create?  Again, why? 

Seems there are many, many clues pointing to the existence of a multi dimensional universe with highly advanced beings that somehow traverse these dimensions.  Perhaps we're just learning how to do that which is why death seems a mystery. 

We are either spiritual beings using a human bio interface to interact with this world reality or we are just an end result of billions of years of chemical reactions.  Since there is no evidence at all that lifeless matter can spring to life through a chemical reaction process, I think there is more evidence that consciousness or awareness does not need the kind of physical body we have here on earth to exist.  Therefore, for me, the afterlife is quite possible and even likely.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22186594 - 09/04/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

With a conservative estimate, humans will be extinct within a hundred thousand years.

We are a very young (and extremely ignorant) species.

We started to control fire and create primitive art about 50,000 years ago.

It was only 5000 years ago that we invented writing.

We'll be gone and these idiotic ideas that "you live forever, man"..."when you die you meet this invisible king that lives in outer space, he isn't married but he did have sex with a woman on earth 1 time and had a son"...

All that nonsense about religious and spiritual garbage will be gone forever, thankfully.

And birds, small mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fish, plants, and insects will continue to rule the world for 100s of millions of years religion-free until the sun gets so hot it evaporates all water on earth - every ocean will be bone dry - in about 1 billion years. Until then, for the 100s of millions of years in between, these retard ideas that moronic non-logical idiot humans make up and believe will disappear.


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    #22186819 - 09/04/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All that nonsense about religious and spiritual garbage will be gone forever, thankfully.







There are far more refined spiritual explanations of our multi dimensional existence than what the abrahamic religions have to offer.  Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is tempting but I find it makes sense to consider other theories of the human spirit that those that seem to inspire war and hatred of others.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22186863 - 09/04/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone read about "veridical Near Death Experiences?"

Arguably they prove that consciousness is not reducible to the body and therefore there is no reason to imagine that consciousness ends with the death of the body, and in fact veridical NDE's seem to prove that this is not the case.


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    #22186923 - 09/04/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.




Yeah, even Strassman admits that it has been found only in the stomachs and urine of humans. As far as I know, no endogenous DMT has ever been found in a human brain (or any other brain, presumably).


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    #22186969 - 09/04/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyone read about "veridical Near Death Experiences?"

Arguably they prove that consciousness is not reducible to the body and therefore there is no reason to imagine that consciousness ends with the death of the body, and in fact veridical NDE's seem to prove that this is not the case.




NDE's really are the fly in the ointment of the argument against any kind of multi dimensional afterlife.

http://www.near-death.com/index.html#.VemyuXiWFO4


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22187019 - 09/04/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My buddies came up with a good theory one session. I'm going to spare you the "bro" and "whut"s and give a rough outline
That light at the end of the tunnel.
"Step into the light. Your family is waiting for you! You're almost there we can see the head!"
"Push! Push!"
I like the idea of a cosmic reset. Then again I like the idea of clouds and big titted angels with platters of weed and mushrooms.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22187058 - 09/04/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
There is no afterlife or resurrection.  Dead is dead.





a petty bold statement coming from someone that only knows what its like to be alive.




Actually zappa was dead a lot longer than he's been alive.


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    #22187099 - 09/04/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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\ Then again I like the idea of clouds and big titted angels with platters of weed and mushrooms.




Big titted eager to please angels ... That's salvation.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #22187173 - 09/04/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.




Yeah, even Strassman admits that it has been found only in the stomachs and urine of humans. As far as I know, no endogenous DMT has ever been found in a human brain (or any other brain, presumably).




GHB releases on death.

inb4 zomg GHB ze spirit molecule

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    #22187179 - 09/04/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't pretend to have any fucking idea what happens after death. I think it would be ignorant to have a preconceived notion of it, as I have either never experienced it, or if I have I have no recollection of it.


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    #22187450 - 09/04/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't pretend to have any fucking idea what happens after death. I think it would be ignorant to have a preconceived notion of it, as I have either never experienced it, or if I have I have no recollection of it.




Your life is a segment on an infinite line. Both before and after that segment, you are dead.

Why does nobody ever talk about being in heaven frolicking through meadows before life? Oh, because it's not as romantic and consoling.


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    #22187456 - 09/04/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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\ Then again I like the idea of clouds and big titted angels with platters of weed and mushrooms.




Big titted eager to please angels ... That's salvation.




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    #22187463 - 09/04/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The afterlife is really wishful thinking.  People really don't want to accept that there is nothing beyond this life.  I don't rule out the possibility of an afterlife, but I do not believe in one.


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    #22187464 - 09/04/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did you know potatoes create Diazepam and an acacia species has PMA AND Meth among its alkaloids?


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    #22187504 - 09/04/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously everyone needs to thoroughly study the evidence and information related to Veridical Near Death Experiences, there is nothing more relevant to the question of if there is an after life. Essentially we now have a large and growing number of people who have died and been revived and for the first time we have a substantial amount of first person accounts of what happens when we die, and these accounts have in many cases involved the accurate perception of events occurring while the person was brain dead, with eyes closed, including accurately accounting what happened while they were being operated on, or in a neighboring room of the hospital. These accounts are found to be accurate and occur when the person is DEAD with no brain activity. This essentially proves that consciousness is not simply a phenomenon of the brain and there  can be consciousness and perception even when the brain is dead and sensation that does not rely on the eyes or ears etc.

To me this subject is almost the only one that has the potential to really tell us the truth about consciousness after death.


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    #22187514 - 09/04/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What if the highest ranking humans on the planet actually know the answer to the afterlife question and have some very serious influence on the incarnation process as in they can actually place "returning souls" into families that have money, connections, etc.?  Maybe this is the secret they have that allows them to control the heaviest hitters on the planet?  Play the game and you'll come back as part of the ruling class ... again ... and again ... and again.  But buck the system and you're headed for a birth in Gaza or some equally horrific hellhole?  If our universe is truly multi dimensional, is it possible that some humans have connections with entities that can really influence the entire incarnation of souls process?  Maybe that's what all the sex magic rituals are all about?

Maybe the afterlife is as predatory as the world we're in right now?  Shelsters, tricksters, shady dealers, deceivers, etc?  The Tibetans warn of how sober one needs to be going through death as some hugely important decisions await us and we're very easily deceived.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Asante]
    #22187521 - 09/04/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The thing is, when you are dead you don't even care if there is an afterlife or anything because well, you are dead! Your brain is shut down and then there is nothingness for trillions and trillions and trillions of years to come.

I like it this way, it is how it is meant to be. :shrug: Who gives a fuck. People need to just accept you live once and once your brain is dead it is dead and there is nothingness forever. I am actually 100% sure this is what happens. Like I said, it is just gonna be like before you were born since you were technically not alive at that point. I gotta say, I enjoyed the time before I was born because I was dead and didn't give a fuck about being alive. :shrug:

People see lots of shit in near death experiences, but these random anecdotes of them seeing God or whatever means fuck all to me honestly. Humans are the only species so obsessed with death and of course our brains lead us to believe there is something more because that is our nature with humans. Any other animal probably has the attitude of YOLO and this is it baby once I am dead I am dead forever so let's have a good time now.

I would be absolutely shocked if there is something more because that goes against everything science tells us. Death is beautiful, people need to accept it and stop believing in fairy tales.


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    #22187532 - 09/04/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously everyone needs to thoroughly study the evidence and information related to Veridical Near Death Experiences, there is nothing more relevant to the question of if there is an after life. Essentially we now have a large and growing number of people who have died and been revived and for the first time we have a substantial amount of first person accounts of what happens when we die, and these accounts have in many cases involved the accurate perception of events occurring while the person was brain dead, with eyes closed, including accurately accounting what happened while they were being operated on, or in a neighboring room of the hospital. These accounts are found to be accurate and occur when the person is DEAD with no brain activity. This essentially proves that consciousness is not simply a phenomenon of the brain and there  can be consciousness and perception even when the brain is dead and sensation that does not rely on the eyes or ears etc.


To me this subject is almost the only one that has the potential to really tell us the truth about consciousness after death.




I agree with you 100% and think the NDE data, that is pretty huge now, is the most effective way to approach this topic because it gets the closest to the actual experience and it solves many of the problems related to it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22187539 - 09/04/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously everyone needs to thoroughly study the evidence and information related to Veridical Near Death Experiences, there is nothing more relevant to the question of if there is an after life. Essentially we now have a large and growing number of people who have died and been revived and for the first time we have a substantial amount of first person accounts of what happens when we die, and these accounts have in many cases involved the accurate perception of events occurring while the person was brain dead, with eyes closed, including accurately accounting what happened while they were being operated on, or in a neighboring room of the hospital. These accounts are found to be accurate and occur when the person is DEAD with no brain activity. This essentially proves that consciousness is not simply a phenomenon of the brain and there  can be consciousness and perception even when the brain is dead and sensation that does not rely on the eyes or ears etc.

To me this subject is almost the only one that has the potential to really tell us the truth about consciousness after death.




That sounds like complete horse shit to me and proves absolutely nothing.


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    #22187550 - 09/04/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The problem with NDE's is that none of those people actually died.  That's why they are called NEAR Death Experiences, not Death Experiences.


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    #22187559 - 09/04/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with NDE's is that none of those people actually died.  That's why they are called NEAR Death Experiences, not Death Experiences.




Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?


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    #22187566 - 09/04/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with NDE's is that none of those people actually died.  That's why they are called NEAR Death Experiences, not Death Experiences.




Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?




Just because we can't measure it at this time doesn't mean the brain is dead. Some people that are alive are "brain dead."


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    #22187579 - 09/04/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.


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    #22187588 - 09/04/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.




But if you're dying, why would the brain or imagination do this? For what possible purpose if it's just lights out and nothing?  Why bother?  It just doesn't add up if the end of life is just over.  There would really be no purpose at all to the brain creating this elaborate hoax of an afterlife.


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    #22187598 - 09/04/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.




But if you're dying, why would the brain or imagination do this? For what possible purpose if it's just lights out and nothing?  Why bother?  It just doesn't add up if the end of life is just over.  There would really be no purpose at all to the brain creating this elaborate hoax of an afterlife.




The after life stuff means a lot to people. If you are about to die, you probably are thinking about God or whatever religion you believe in. It does not surprise me at all in those final moments you have some type of vision of your creator or of heaven.

It is human nature for these things to happen. If you were about to die and were thinking about grilled cheese sandwiches I would call you crazy. But to take these visions so seriously and say they are evidence for an after life is ridiculous.


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    #22187605 - 09/04/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.




But if you're dying, why would the brain or imagination do this? For what possible purpose if it's just lights out and nothing?  Why bother?  It just doesn't add up if the end of life is just over.  There would really be no purpose at all to the brain creating this elaborate hoax of an afterlife.




The after life stuff means a lot to people. If you are about to die, you probably are thinking about God or whatever religion you believe in. It does not surprise me at all in those final moments you have some type of vision of your creator or of heaven.

It is human nature for these things to happen. If you were about to die and were thinking about grilled cheese sandwiches I would call you crazy. But to take these visions so seriously and say they are evidence for an after life is ridiculous.




But it isn't human nature at all.  We go to sleep each night and have dreams and most religious people RARELY if ever, have dream visions of heaven, the afterlife or encounters with their beloved deities.  The fact is these experiences RARELY, if ever happen, except when drug induced.  It isn't natural at all.


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    #22187623 - 09/04/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?




just because they had an experience when they died doesn't mean they had it while they were braindead.  you are assuming time works the same way while we are dreaming, but it doesn't.  they could have experienced everything before going brain dead and the end of the dream would be them waking up, aka they would never know they went brain dead in the dream....aka it would seem like they dreamed the entire time they were asleep/braindead


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    #22187626 - 09/04/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Agree to disagree. I just don't find it surprising at all when people have NDE's one of the first things they think about is God or heaven. Those are pretty important things to people who are about to die. They are probably not thinking about the Lakers game or grilled cheese sandwiches.

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    #22187632 - 09/04/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?




just because they had an experience when they died doesn't mean they had it while they were braindead.  you are assuming time works the same way while we are dreaming, but it doesn't.  they could have experienced everything before going brain dead and the end of the dream would be them waking up, aka they would never know they went brain dead in the dream....aka it would seem like they dreamed the entire time they were asleep/braindead




You need to read more about some of the NDE's where the dying individual recounts, in detail what was happening around them when their brain was technically not functioning.  There's a lot of data on this.

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/people-see-verified-events-while-obe.html


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    #22187647 - 09/04/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?




just because they had an experience when they died doesn't mean they had it while they were braindead.  you are assuming time works the same way while we are dreaming, but it doesn't.  they could have experienced everything before going brain dead and the end of the dream would be them waking up, aka they would never know they went brain dead in the dream....aka it would seem like they dreamed the entire time they were asleep/braindead




You need to read more about some of the NDE's where the dying individual recounts, in detail what was happening around them when their brain was technically not functioning.  There's a lot of data on this.

http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/people-see-verified-events-while-obe.html




Also, never underestimate people's ability to let their imaginations run wild and come up with a bunch of bullshit and start to believe it. Even if their brain was not functioning it is not hard at all for them to make up some story they think really happened when they are fully conscious again.


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    #22187649 - 09/04/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Agree to disagree. I just don't find it surprising at all when people have NDE's one of the first things they think about is God or heaven. Those are pretty important things to people who are about to die. They are probably not thinking about the Lakers game or grilled cheese sandwiches.

It is human psychology what is so hard to understand here?




So you're saying the brain just manufactures an incredibly complex fantasy with meetings with deities, total life reviews in minute detail from the moment they were  , visits to cosmic libraries, re unions with lost family members ...

The brain must "makes all this stuff up?"  Why?  If you're dying and there's no afterlife, what is the point.  The brain should just shut off the lights and put us out of our misery.


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    #22187655 - 09/04/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

also they study brainwaves from outside they skull using probes that may or may not be able to pick up smaller micro readings.  so a person might look braindead on the monitor but there could be readings still going on.


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    #22187656 - 09/04/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

These are cases of people recounting in specific detail things that are accurate and correct and which there is no possible way they could have known if consciousness was limited to the brain. This DOES prove something, in fact it proves that consciousness and perception can exist and function independently of the brain, which strongly suggests the possibility of an afterlife and indeed virtually proves it. These are not vague things like "someone was sad in the hospital" that could be a lucky guess. this is stuff like "the doctor in the next room over picked up a tool with a blue handle and used it to cut open the left arm of the old woman and then handed it to the blonde nurse" when the person recounting this had never seen that room, those people or had any idea what was going on in there.

They have out of body experiences where they accurately observe things occurring in real life while they are brain dead with eyes closed.

This is not something that has happened once or twice but many times, and has been documented and confirmed by doctors etc who were present.

These near death experiences are essentially the ONLY evidence pertaining to whether or not there is life after death.

If you want to know what is going on in the ocean you trust scuba divers. If you want to know what is going on in space you trust astronauts. If you want to know what is going on in Australia you trust the people who have been there. If you want to know what happens when you die you trust the people who have died and come back. They are the ONLY ones in a position to know what they are talking about and they assure us that there are experiences awaiting us after death as we know it.

Unless you have really investigated the body of evidence about NDEs you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to death, dying and the afterlife. This is by far the most relevant and important evidence on this subject.

Yes it is absolutely incredible that people who die have these amazing experiences, and absolutely astounding that they can accurately observe things happening in the physical world while they are dead, but it is nevertheless true. Sometimes reality is astonishing but we have to deal with it as it really is.

This reality of NDEs matches perfectly with what we are told by traditions such as Tibetan Buddhism and the Book of the Dead. For the first time modern medicine is allowing large numbers of people to be revived from a death state. and therefore there is now a large and growing body of first hand experiential evidence of what was previously unknowable- the death process. And what these survivors are telling us essentially matches what has been said since time immemorial by the world's various wisdom traditions. Death as we know it is not the end, and we have strange journeys and dreams awaiting us. Furthermore, Veridical NDEs show us these are not "just" visions and dreams, but actually "real" states that can involve accurately perceiving the shared physical world while dead.

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    #22187665 - 09/04/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the fact that the heart beats is also a good indication of this, it takes electrical signals for the brain to tell the heart to beat, if the brain monitors arn't picking that up, then there's alot they arn't getting


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    #22187675 - 09/04/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the fact that the heart beats is also a good indication of this, it takes electrical signals for the brain to tell the heart to beat, if the brain monitors arn't picking that up, then there's alot they arn't getting




There are NDE cases where the heart has stopped beating and the brain activity is nil for well over 10 minutes.

This guy showed no vital signs for 90 minutes.

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html


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    #22187721 - 09/04/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

did you read anything i wrote?  their ability to monitor brain activity is in question. peoples hearts stop all the time and they still have brain activity, so they could just as easily have the heart stop and brain activity drop to below 'detectable' levels.  also they could be going in and out of 'just enough' brain activity to pick up on surroundings without setting off the brain monitor


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    #22187736 - 09/04/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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did you read anything i wrote?  their ability to monitor brain activity is in question. peoples hearts stop all the time and they still have brain activity, so they could just as easily have the heart stop and brain activity drop to below 'detectable' levels.  also they could be going in and out of 'just enough' brain activity to pick up on surroundings without setting off the brain monitor




How then are they noticing what is happening in an other room of the hospital?


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    #22187786 - 09/04/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

who says they are?  nurses talk, alot, prolly overheard one.  and if your going to say it was a study, well there were still nurses there, still plenty of places for shit to squeek through.  its hard to know without having actually been there how legit it was


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    #22187799 - 09/04/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.

I personally believe the physical body houses consciousness.

Yea, I can experience nothingness/the void for awhile, but what will I choose after that?


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    #22187801 - 09/04/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the fact that the heart beats is also a good indication of this, it takes electrical signals for the brain to tell the heart to beat, if the brain monitors arn't picking that up, then there's alot they arn't getting




There are NDE cases where the heart has stopped beating and the brain activity is nil for well over 10 minutes.

This guy showed no vital signs for 90 minutes.

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html






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    #22187802 - 09/04/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

SO, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE???



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    #22187811 - 09/04/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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who says they are?  nurses talk, alot, prolly overheard one.  and if your going to say it was a study, well there were still nurses there, still plenty of places for shit to squeek through.  its hard to know without having actually been there how legit it was




There are quite a few doctors and nurses that have related these cases.  I guess you can always say they're wrong, mistaken, etc.  That's the always there escape hatch.

But, of course, most Doctors are skeptics themselves ... many consider themselves scientists and they must certainly look at the situation and look for the obvious explanations.  But they don't see them.

Anyway, the NDE is happening a lot now because of modern medicine's ability to bring people back from deeper and deeper in the death experience.  There's a lot of data on it and a lot of cases where the NDE person witnesses things in other locations that are verified.  There's a lot of data on this.


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    #22187838 - 09/04/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

wasn't that shit all done in big Christian hospitals? and like the other guy said, selling books n shit.

i wouldn't think many legit doctors would touch anything like that with a 10 foot pole in fear of being laughed out of their job, unless they had some kind of bias


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    #22187883 - 09/04/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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These are cases of people recounting in specific detail things that are accurate and correct and which there is no possible way they could have known if consciousness was limited to the brain. This DOES prove something, in fact it proves that consciousness and perception can exist and function independently of the brain, which strongly suggests the possibility of an afterlife and indeed virtually proves it. These are not vague things like "someone was sad in the hospital" that could be a lucky guess. this is stuff like "the doctor in the next room over picked up a tool with a blue handle and used it to cut open the left arm of the old woman and then handed it to the blonde nurse" when the person recounting this had never seen that room, those people or had any idea what was going on in there.

They have out of body experiences where they accurately observe things occurring in real life while they are brain dead with eyes closed.

This is not something that has happened once or twice but many times, and:lol: has been documented and confirmed by doctors etc who were present.

These near death experiences are essentially the ONLY evidence pertaining to whether or not there is life after death.

If you want to know what is going on in the ocean you trust scuba divers. If you want to know what is going on in space you trust astronauts. If you want to know what is going on in Australia you trust the people who have been there. If you want to know what happens when you die you trust the people who have died and come back. They are the ONLY ones in a position to know what they are talking about and they assure us that there are experiences awaiting us after death as we know it.

Unless you have really investigated the body of evidence about NDEs you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to death, dying and the afterlife. This is by far the most relevant and important evidence on this subject.

Yes it is absolutely incredible that people who die have these amazing experiences, and absolutely astounding that they can accurately observe things happening in the physical world while they are dead, but it is nevertheless true. Sometimes reality is astonishing but we have to deal with it as it really is.

This reality of NDEs matches perfectly with what we are told by traditions such as Tibetan Buddhism and the Book of the Dead. For the first time modern medicine is allowing large numbers of people to be revived from a death state. and therefore there is now a large and growing body of first hand experiential evidence of what was previously unknowable- the death process. And what these survivors are telling us essentially matches what has been said since time immemorial by the world's various wisdom traditions. Death as we know it is not the end, and we have strange journeys and dreams awaiting us. Furthermore, Veridical NDEs show us these are not "just" visions and dreams, but actually "real" states that can involve accurately perceiving the shared physical world while dead.

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio"
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That's not evidence for anything, sorry to burst your bubble. Ask any scientist if that proves there is an after life and they will all tell you NO. :rofl:  You are making a lot of assumptions based off a few people saying what was happening when they were not awake.

Someone in the room should hold up a sign with any number from one to a million on it and ask the mostly dead person to say that number. Then you have proof.

Like on the paper someone in the room rights 242 362 then when the person who is nearly dead or whatever is awake you ask them the number that was written down. I guarantee they get it wrong or don't even know you wrote anything down.


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    #22187886 - 09/04/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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wasn't that shit all done in big Christian hospitals? and like the other guy said, selling books n shit.

i wouldn't think many legit doctors would touch anything like that with a 10 foot pole in fear of being laughed out of their job, unless they had some kind of bias




NDE's are happening frequently in every busy emergency room in the country.  This is a very common experience in hospitals.  What exactly is a non "legit" doctor, anyway? 

No doubt there are many charlatans ... but the estimate is now that 7 million people have had legitimate NDE's.  That's a lot of data to work with.


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    #22188132 - 09/04/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if you havn't heard the term legit, and quack doctor before then i can't help you.  you either get the reference or you don't.  and you claiming their is 7 million "legit" NDE's, tells me that you and me have completely different idea's on what the word legit means.  your claim in my definition puts you closer to 7 million quack NDE storys


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    #22188145 - 09/04/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The NDE anecdotes are really complete bullshit and are not proof for anything.


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    #22188169 - 09/04/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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if you havn't heard the term legit, and quack doctor before then i can't help you.  you either get the reference or you don't.  and you claiming their is 7 million "legit" NDE's, tells me that you and me have completely different idea's on what the word legit means.  your claim in my definition puts you closer to 7 million quack NDE storys




I would say that the overwhelming majority of doctors working in emergency rooms are "legit."  Probably over 90%.  Most of the NDE's do happen in emergency rooms and a lot are happening during surgery.  Are most surgeons not "legit?"


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    #22188173 - 09/04/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

its about as much proof as the abductions by UFO claims proving aliens exist, its almost exactly the same thing


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    #22188176 - 09/04/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.




Thank God 93% of our most elite scientists think the opposite. I'm happy to live in a world where the higher the education, the tougher the degree, the more logical the thinker, the less the chance of "personally believing" in made up fairy tales that make you feel better. It would really suck if the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world were religious. Thankfully, it is the opposite, and if you go into the poorest least educated places in the world (The Philippines, Nigeria, Ghana, US Prisons, etc.), that is where you will find people that agree with you.


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    #22188181 - 09/04/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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if you havn't heard the term legit, and quack doctor before then i can't help you.  you either get the reference or you don't.  and you claiming their is 7 million "legit" NDE's, tells me that you and me have completely different idea's on what the word legit means.  your claim in my definition puts you closer to 7 million quack NDE storys




I would say that the overwhelming majority of doctors working in emergency rooms are "legit."  Probably over 90%.  Most of the NDE's do happen in emergency rooms and a lot are happening during surgery.  Are most surgeons not "legit?"




they clearly arn't legit scientists if thats what your asking, if you were asking something else ill refer you back to the paragraph where i first mentioned it for that answer.


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    #22188206 - 09/04/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Good thread :popcorn:
We should be less afraid to speculate more.  What if this stuff is just undiscovered Science?
Where would Science be today hadn't our Scientists of the past dreamt.
Like nicechrisman and pb, when it comes down to it, I see no point in investing any belief in this stuff.
Arguing for or against it is falling into the trap IMO.


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    #22188252 - 09/04/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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its about as much proof as the abductions by UFO claims proving aliens exist, its almost exactly the same thing




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I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.




Thank God 93% of our most elite scientists think the opposite. I'm happy to live in a world where the higher the education, the tougher the degree, the more logical the thinker, the less the chance of "personally believing" in made up fairy tales that make you feel better. It would really suck if the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world were religious. Thankfully, it is the opposite, and if you go into the poorest least educated places in the world (The Philippines, Nigeria, Ghana, US Prisons, etc.), that is where you will find people that agree with you.




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    #22188277 - 09/04/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22188293 - 09/04/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's silly when people think their body is the entirety of what they are. Science isn't of any use in the realm of spirit. Spock isn't going to be able to work it out. Lose your mind and become one with all. When you come back you can start to comprehend a life beyond the one your living. In that space of time there was no trace of the ego, but there was so much more. 
I guess many psyche users have a hard time remembering or never really got that high? Maybe they have a really tenacious ego, the dose is too low? I don't know.
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    #22188305 - 09/04/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it's silly when people think their body is the entirety of what they are. Science isn't of any use in the realm of spirit. Spock isn't going to be able to work it out. Lose your mind and become one with all. When you come back you can start to comprehend a life beyond the one your living. In that space of time there was no trace of the ego, but there was so much more. 
I guess many psyche users have a hard time remembering or never really got that high? Maybe they have a really tenacious ego, the dose is too low? I don't know.
Experience is the teacher.
Btw Non existence isn't even a thing.




:smugjerry:

Your "psychedelic knowledge" is about as relevant as the shit smears on my toilet paper when I wipe my ass in the morning.

No but seriously, science tells us that you really are just a body with a brain and once the brain is dead so are you. There is really nothing more to it. Just think about the millions and millions and millions of ants that lived and died. It's not like they go to a special place. They have babies and those babies die and the cycle goes round and round.

People need to understand nature in nature there are no do overs for anybody.


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    #22188581 - 09/04/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are lots of things science doesn't know, that is the practice of science. You don't acknowledge this fact which makes you a half believer of science. In fact it makes you more delusional than anyone you put down for having relevant theories. Real scientists accept that there is always new possibilities.

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    #22188648 - 09/04/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.




Thank God 93% of our most elite scientists think the opposite. I'm happy to live in a world where the higher the education, the tougher the degree, the more logical the thinker, the less the chance of "personally believing" in made up fairy tales that make you feel better. It would really suck if the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world were religious. Thankfully, it is the opposite, and if you go into the poorest least educated places in the world (The Philippines, Nigeria, Ghana, US Prisons, etc.), that is where you will find people that agree with you.



You're pulling numbers straight out of your ass.  :ass:

The actual elite know this very well and their knowledge of who incarnates when and where is the most powerful thing they have. :watchingyou:

Then they can use that beings personal vices to move them.:paranoid:

But it's alright, all that's coming to an end, we're here. :grin:

There's still inner work to be done, so ask yourself if you're in the clear.:super:

But we already know that. :yesnod:

Like we already know the answer to this thread....:lol:

This is a tree falling in the forest kind of thread and you're accounting to other so called scientists views on the afterlife. :rofl:

Is it that people who believe in the afterlife/reincarnation/karma and the whole lot are shunned by people who know their fair share is coming back around to them...?:strokebeard:

Are the user's here really debating in the name of science to dismiss the thought of the afterlife?:shrug:

OR

Are they debating against it to justify their life choices and make themselves feel better for the time being?:rofl2:

It's ok either way brothers and sisters. :bigyesnod:

It's simply a matter of where you'd like to hangout at the moment. :aweyeah:

Eating some more mushrooms could help with this, as they are decomposers.:shroomeryhead:

Bringing life to death.:mushroom2:

Be prepared to face yours though, that's for sure. :naughty:


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    #22188691 - 09/04/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Did you know potatoes create Diazepam and an acacia species has PMA AND Meth among its alkaloids?


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Never heard about the potato thing before now, but with Acacia berlandieri and rigidula I don't think the presence of those compounds was ever confirmed by anyone else. Shulgin thought it might have been a case of contaminated lab equipment. Other compounds that would also be very surprising to find in a legume were reported in there as well, such as mescaline and nicotine.


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    #22188811 - 09/04/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A TRUE scientist would say this about the afterlife ... I DON'T KNOW ...

Science has as much evidence that there is an afterlife as they have that there isn't.  They have no conclusive evidence either way.

There is an entire mountain range of anecdotal evidence that there is an afterlife.  A lot of that is nonsense and some of it is extremely compelling. 

And yet more and more scientists every week are leaning in the direction that we occupy an infinitely complex multi DIMENSIONAL universe.  How exactly would a "physical body" work in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension?    How about the 10th or 12th, or 15th or 27th dimension? 

What we know is so tiny compared to what's out there.  Realize that there is a theory of an afterlife with multi dimensional beings WITHOUT all the Abrahamic Religious nonsense that bothers so many.


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    #22188882 - 09/04/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A TRUE scientist would say this about the afterlife ... I DON'T KNOW ...

Science has as much evidence that there is an afterlife as they have that there isn't.  They have no conclusive evidence either way.

There is an entire mountain range of anecdotal evidence that there is an afterlife.  A lot of that is nonsense and some of it is extremely compelling. 

And yet more and more scientists every week are leaning in the direction that we occupy an infinitely complex multi DIMENSIONAL universe.  How exactly would a "physical body" work in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension?    How about the 10th or 12th, or 15th or 27th dimension? 

What we know is so tiny compared to what's out there.  Realize that there is a theory of an afterlife with multi dimensional beings WITHOUT all the Abrahamic Religious nonsense that bothers so many.



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    #22189106 - 09/04/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A TRUE scientist would say this about the afterlife ... I DON'T KNOW ...

Science has as much evidence that there is an afterlife as they have that there isn't.  They have no conclusive evidence either way.

There is an entire mountain range of anecdotal evidence that there is an afterlife.  A lot of that is nonsense and some of it is extremely compelling. 

And yet more and more scientists every week are leaning in the direction that we occupy an infinitely complex multi DIMENSIONAL universe.  How exactly would a "physical body" work in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension?    How about the 10th or 12th, or 15th or 27th dimension? 

What we know is so tiny compared to what's out there.  Realize that there is a theory of an afterlife with multi dimensional beings WITHOUT all the Abrahamic Religious nonsense that bothers so many.




I think a scientist would tell you there is zero evidence of an after life. :smugjerry:

Science tells us that once your brain dies life is over and nothing else happens. By making the claim there is an after life, the burden of proof is on you to support that statement.


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    #22189295 - 09/04/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Science can be used to poi t out what constitutes us biologically, not psychologically. A soul is not part of that make up.


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    #22189303 - 09/04/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think a scientist would tell you there is zero evidence of an after life. :smugjerry:

Science tells us that once your brain dies life is over and nothing else happens. By making the claim there is an after life, the burden of proof is on you to support that statement.




Given that mankind has been testifying to having direct experience with the afterlife realm for thousands of years ... virtually every culture on the planet.  Given a veritable mountain of anecdotal evidence and billion of humans that testify to it.

It is science that is making the extraordinary claim that all these billions of humans are wrong and always have been wrong.  The burden of proof to prove there is no afterlife is on Science.  Thus far, they have been unable to prove this.  Yet the multi dimensional aspect of our universe is gaining more and more traction in the science community.

I can produce unlimited testimonial experience of an afterlife.  What proof do you have it doesn't exist?


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    #22189325 - 09/04/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anecdotes does not equal science.


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    #22189342 - 09/04/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey BC, I have a question for you. I believe in science and I believe scientists have pulled off extraordinary feats. But, I also believe that science doesn't tell the whole story. So, my question is: what do you think consciousness is? Science doesn't have an explanation for it. Maybe it is just chemical reactions, but if I let a piece of iron sit in water, a chemical reaction takes place to make rust. I don't believe that this chemical reaction has consciousness.


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    #22189355 - 09/04/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think consciousness is just the illusion of an observer arriving from biological processes that are based in chemical reactions. People think by virtue of them experiencing that something special is happening when it is not


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    #22189359 - 09/04/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anecdotes does not equal science.




Yet, what percentage of scientists believe that life originated here on earth from "natural" chemical processes that eventually form living cells?  Nearly all.

Yet there is not one shred of evidence this can or ever has happened.  Billions have been invested to prove it, yet no results. 

Why do they believe this and, to some extent, base much of their theory of what life even is on it?  They have no proof and the scientific method has yielded no results.

The scientific community has bias.  They seek to confirm that bias, as do you.  Data analysis is a type of science.  The analysis of testimonial data is science.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22189373 - 09/04/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think consciousness is just the illusion of an observer arriving from biological processes that are based in chemical reactions. People think by virtue of them experiencing that something special is happening when it is not




So consciousness is nothing special? Do you think that all chemical reactions are associated with some form of consciousness or awareness? I'm not mocking you, I am just curious to know what your opinion is.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22189376 - 09/04/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You can have a million anecdotes and it means absolutely nothing. These NDE stories are horse shit too.


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    #22189381 - 09/04/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

consciouness IS special. if you could watch all the interconnexions of the axons,the neurons and so forth in real time, you'd shit your pants.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22189448 - 09/04/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You can have a million anecdotes and it means absolutely nothing. These NDE stories are horse shit too.




LMAO!  According to who?  You?  It's far more than "anecdotes" as you put it.  Science can't prove that there is no afterlife and they can't prove that life originated on this planet from some "natural" chemical process.  NDE's are the closest we have gotten to the afterlife experience.  There are a growing number of carefully documented NDE's that show conclusively that consciousness can indeed leave the body and observe events happening in another room in real time.  Therefore, consciousness is not limited to the perception boundaries of the body and we are "seeing" and "observing" with something that has nothing to do with eyes and ears.  That's a bitter pill for science to swallow.  They hate it.  Nonetheless, every week, more NDE cases are documented and a percentage of them prove the consciousness can and does leave the body.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22189489 - 09/04/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Threads like these really make me question the overall intelligence of the shroomery.


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    #22189506 - 09/04/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Random NDE anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. Using anecdotes as proof to support your claims is something science would never do.

Science doesn't have to prove there isn't an after life. Just like science doesn't have to prove there aren't magical dragons that take purple colored shits. Those ideas do not align with science therefore no scientist has to provide evidence they do not exist. The burden of proof is on you to provide any evidence that your random after life theories are true.

Using anecdotes and vague stories of random people is the worst kind of proof you can give.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22189594 - 09/04/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Random NDE anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. Using anecdotes as proof to support your claims is something science would never do.

Science doesn't have to prove there isn't an after life. Just like science doesn't have to prove there aren't magical dragons that take purple colored shits. Those ideas do not align with science therefore no scientist has to provide evidence they do not exist. The burden of proof is on you to provide any evidence that your random after life theories are true.

Using anecdotes and vague stories of random people is the worst kind of proof you can give.



We're speaking of things that are not prove-able either way....:wizardfail:

No side can absolutely prove their point without the other one tearing it to shreds.:nono:

I came here to share with others what I believe in based on the things that I know and the wisdom I keep.:cookiemonster:

All in good discussion. :super:

All perspectives of the one reality. :shocked:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22189681 - 09/04/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Random NDE anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. Using anecdotes as proof to support your claims is something science would never do.

Science doesn't have to prove there isn't an after life. Just like science doesn't have to prove there aren't magical dragons that take purple colored shits. Those ideas do not align with science therefore no scientist has to provide evidence they do not exist. The burden of proof is on you to provide any evidence that your random after life theories are true.

Using anecdotes and vague stories of random people is the worst kind of proof you can give.




There's no "proof" on either side of the question.  That's reality.  The pro-science  crowd BELIEVES consciousness depends on the body and is extinguished when the body dies.  The pro after life crowd believe consciousness exists in a multi dimensional universe and incarnates into a physical body than detaches from that body when the physical body dies.

Can you point to one credible large scale scientific study by scientists you trust as credible to truly try and prove whether or not consciousness survives death that came up with nothing?  Just one, large, well funded study by scientists you really trust?  Just one. 



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22190197 - 09/04/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think most scientists would come to the census that chemical reactions produce what we call consciousness. And it is a fact that mass and energy are conserved during a chemical reaction. Now, I don't think that all chemical reactions cause consciousness or awareness. But, I do think that some chemical reactions cause awareness. So, what makes these chemical reactions so special?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22190501 - 09/04/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think most scientists would come to the census that chemical reactions produce what we call consciousness. And it is a fact that mass and energy are conserved during a chemical reaction. Now, I don't think that all chemical reactions cause consciousness or awareness. But, I do think that some chemical reactions cause awareness. So, what makes these chemical reactions so special?




Yep, pretty sure all the different parts of your brain together form consciousness. The chemicals, the neurotransmitters, they all work together to make consciousness happen.

It is not that complicated. :shrug:

Brains doing brain things ya know?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22190864 - 09/04/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bitter cactus is literally the shittest  fucking troll the shroomery has ever encountered. He doesn't even come up with original shit. It's like he just browses threads that have blown up to 39 or more pages and rehashs the original line. Nothing he says is even mildly original, and honestly it's kind of embarassing to see people fall for this shit left and right. Seriously. I could go "DAE Vegan" and watch that shit blow up on the same level. It's fucking pathetic.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22190912 - 09/04/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I love giving BC shit, even if he's trolling.  Good times.  I think he actually believes a lot of the shit that spews out of his mouth, though.  Hard to say... he is pretty consistent and enthusiastic about it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22190925 - 09/04/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter cactus is literally the shittest  fucking troll the shroomery has ever encountered. He doesn't even come up with original shit. It's like he just browses threads that have blown up to 39 or more pages and rehashs the original line. Nothing he says is even mildly original, and honestly it's kind of embarassing to see people fall for this shit left and right. Seriously. I could go "DAE Vegan" and watch that shit blow up on the same level. It's fucking pathetic.




I am not trolling I just wanted to have a discussion about what happens when you die. :shrug:

These are my real opinions too. :shrug:

If you don't like the content of the thread maybe you should just stop reading. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trolling.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22190980 - 09/04/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your threads are purposefully inflammatory garbage. Don't try and sit back and act innocent  your topics fucking suck massive dick. Go ahead and make a thread about factory farms next. Go champion hillary, go support cops you  fucking troll. I'm more surprised you haven't been perm'd yet.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22191034 - 09/05/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Your threads are purposefully inflammatory garbage. Don't try and sit back and act innocent  your topics fucking suck massive dick. Go ahead and make a thread about factory farms next. Go champion hillary, go support cops you  fucking troll. I'm more surprised you haven't been perm'd yet.




Inflammatory garbage? I thought this was an interesting topic. :shrug:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191039 - 09/05/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Now this is getting interesting :popcorn:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Detached]
    #22191044 - 09/05/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bodhi of Ankou is just trying to stir up drama. I am not gonna let that happen.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191055 - 09/05/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dudes dudes dudes....



life is naturally a mystery. death is truly a mystery and we MUST find out only when we die. For anyone to think they have an absolute yes or no answer is ignorant.

personally, I believe there is an afterlife. We may be in it right now, its just the filters in our brains evolved to filter out these dimensions because mother earth wanted us to have a means of learning lessons and appreciating both sides.

even if there is no god...there still can be an after-life. Without a doubt.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22191058 - 09/05/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The only two things in life that you can count on are death and taxes.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191063 - 09/05/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou is just trying to stir up drama. I am not gonna let that happen.




Trying to stir up drama. Says the guy who starts a thread about not liking weed "but I'm like not saying it's a bad drug guise :flowstone:"


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    #22191072 - 09/05/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou is just trying to stir up drama. I am not gonna let that happen.




Trying to stir up drama. Says the guy who starts a thread about not liking weed "but I'm like not saying it's a bad drug guise :flowstone:"




I don't like weed. I appreciate that others get enjoyment out of it though. :shrug:

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191084 - 09/05/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Tell me more about how if I drink I'll live forever or how white lives don't matter.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22191093 - 09/05/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Tell me more about how if I drink I'll live forever or how white lives don't matter.




I'm done with the die forever topic.

The whole point of the black lives matter movement is to bring attention to discrimination against black people. The movement is about how black lives matter and I just think it is ridiculous for white people to make this movement about themselves. White people saying white lives matter is just making a mockery of the black lives matter movement to me. :shrug:

Why are you even rehashing these old topics anyways? What is your angle here?

Get over it and move on.


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    #22191105 - 09/05/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anything else we need to address?




Yes, the amount of butTHertz is like an elephant in the room.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Capers] * 2
    #22191124 - 09/05/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191129 - 09/05/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The thought of consciousness just blacking out must put some sort of fear in one's mind, but then I guess having the thought of going to hell forced into your brain all your life is worse. I can only speak for myself(but we're all the same), but any type of fear and uncertainty was gone after having an OBE. No drugs involved and I'm not some hippie spiritual guy, but knowing for a fact you can have consciousness outside your physical body is refreshing. I think the only preview to the afterlife are OBE's and DMT trips.


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    #22191200 - 09/05/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





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    #22191202 - 09/05/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Detached]
    #22191527 - 09/05/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What if awful people like hitler reincarnate to poor starving people in africa?


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    #22191550 - 09/05/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I choose to not take a stance and that is my way of dealing with that logical dilemma. One theory on the natural phenomenon known as religion is that at some point we gained cognitive enlightenment of that fact and needed to rationalize going on to live with an infinite lifespan. They can trace back to the exact moment of our ancestry that we started buring remains of the dead. The fact that just one day we started doing that does point to an irrational thought process that rationalizations the behavior.  It is odd... I mean today we do it for "respect" but social constructs like having a place to go mourn a dead loved one couldn't exist when we had a vocabulary of MAYBE 1000 words and very small communities. No reason they shouldn't have just left them in the open or just take the body away from camp. Some major cognitive impairment forced a radical change in behavior that still holds us back as a civilization.

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    #22191565 - 09/05/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i recently read a book inspired by the tibetan book of the dead, and they say something like, you can search for rebirth but if you had enough of this world you can look for peace in the "afterlife" where you are no more than part of the energy which kind of forms life and the universe.

For my part that's very satisfying to know that i have the choice to not be re-birthed.

btw. the book is named Bardo (great read)


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    #22191570 - 09/05/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22191582 - 09/05/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Another variable to consider and one that I am more inclined to agree with is that everything in the universe is infact energy. Technically the only thing that separates me from you is how that energy takes shape based on fundamental properties in our universe. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed (or so they tell us).  By dieing the energy that defined you still exists.

What is the form of that energy though? I like to think that how we are remembered is the true afterlife and how said energy transfers. You can make a big impact and  help many or destroy many and that will immortalize what is essentially your own life energy. It sounds  kinda like I'm side stepping the true problem but that is kind of the fun of solving this mental imperfection that EVERYBODY experiences once. We have all had a sober bad trip about life being finite. I swear I recall having that feeling at a rather young age.

Also consider "pascals wager", I'm a little burnt out from a long night to explain it but a quick Google search will explain it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22191610 - 09/05/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





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Sorry you wasted your life, gramps. Keep racing towards that red light.





if being an atheist makes people arrogant and pompous like yourself, then im so glad im not one.

atheists truly come off as scared and empty whenever they start spewing diarrhea out of their mouths.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Sekutma]
    #22191644 - 09/05/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I choose to not take a stance and that is my way of dealing with that logical dilemma. One theory on the natural phenomenon known as religion is that at some point we gained cognitive enlightenment of that fact and needed to rationalize going on to live with an infinite lifespan. They can trace back to the exact moment of our ancestry that we started buring remains of the dead. The fact that just one day we started doing that does point to an irrational thought process that rationalizations the behavior.  It is odd... I mean today we do it for "respect" but social constructs like having a place to go mourn a dead loved one couldn't exist when we had a vocabulary of MAYBE 1000 words and very small communities. No reason they shouldn't have just left them in the open or just take the body away from camp. Some major cognitive impairment forced a radical change in behavior that still holds us back as a civilization.

Money is the root of evil but fear is the slave owner of rationality.




It's important to understand that based on what we observe about primitive cultures (aborigines, Papuan, Kogi, many Native American shamanic tribes) is that their interaction with dreaming and altered states (trance, music, psychoactive plants/fungi, etc.) was much more front and center in the daily fabric of their lives.  Their dreaming awareness was much more developed and, as such, they probably had more profound interactions with ancestors, deities, advanced beings, spirit guides, etc. through their dreams.  They didn't consider their dreams the way we do today.  There  is no doubt at all that religion and their orientation to reality was greatly impacted by this ... much, much more than today.  To these cultures, dreaming was REAL and those experiences were much more intense and happened EVERY SINGLE DAY. 

This is where religion and "contact" with what they called spirits and advanced beings took place.  Imagine if every night you went to sleep and had long and profound conversations with a variety of dream beings and developed a long term relationship with them ... they became advisors and your memory of dreams was 1000X stronger than it is today and you even had more powerful lucid dreaming and out of body exploration awareness?  How would that change your orientation to your reality?  They had a REAL and ongoing experience of living in a multi dimensional reality.

Over the centuries, this multi-dimensional interaction with what were believed to be spirits was replaced by scripture and a priest class that claimed an exclusive link to the God realms.  This changed our orientation to reality dramatically and dream/inner states were gradually labeled hallucinations, demonic, insanity and all kinds of taboo.  As such, our relationship with our dreaming awareness is minimal if any at all.  More recently, scripture has been replaced by the scientific process which is a far more disciplined approach to analysis of waking reality only as that is the only reality that the scientific process works.  This is one more step away from a multi dimensional experience of reality.


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-- Ancient Taoist Master


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22191703 - 09/05/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First, there is much evidence for natural selection even if we can't go back to the beginning and witness it. Richard Dawkins writes extensively in it and the views of life given by science are convincing. Almost too convincing...

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I think consciousness is just the illusion of an observer arriving from biological processes that are based in chemical reactions. People think by virtue of them experiencing that something special is happening when it is not




So consciousness is nothing special? Do you think that all chemical reactions are associated with some form of consciousness or awareness? I'm not mocking you, I am just curious to know what your opinion is.



No, and I can't prove anyone but I is conscious and awear, as can you also not. I think the illusion of consciousness comes from our perceived ability to make choices, and am still not sure if the choices we make are deterministic or somehow directed by what we perceive as our will.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22191744 - 09/05/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





:lolsy:

Sorry you wasted your life, gramps. Keep racing towards that red light.





if being an atheist makes people arrogant and pompous like yourself, then im so glad im not one.

atheists truly come off as scared and empty whenever they start spewing diarrhea out of their mouths.




If being right makes me pompous and arrogant then I'm glad I don't think like you.


What does it say about believers that they (in my experience) attach the arrogant and pompous label to atheists? There's already an implication that we're correct, you just need to scrape that thought off the subliminal walls of your mind and truly examine it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191754 - 09/05/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22191762 - 09/05/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist




What an arrogant belief. Just leave us delusional folk to our own devices.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22191765 - 09/05/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist




Well thanks captain obvious


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22191800 - 09/05/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist




Well thanks captain obvious




So what exactly is keeping you from being a pompous atheist?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22191808 - 09/05/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The most important question of all is ... in this vast universe does every advanced form of consciousness (let's say humans and higher) need a physical body to exist?  Are there such things as super advanced multi dimensional beings that simply don't have physical bodies at all?

If the answer is yes, then absolutely anything is possible.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22191854 - 09/05/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe dark matter is the stuff of the higher dimensions, and the 21 grams is our dark matter body :ancientaliens:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22191899 - 09/05/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever?





yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist




What an arrogant belief. Just leave us delusional folk to our own devices.





it's not arrogant, it works on the same principal of 3 year olds playing hide&seek


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22193578 - 09/05/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever?





yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist




Well thanks captain obvious




So what exactly is keeping you from being a pompous atheist?




When you die..life on earth ceases. But does life as a whole? I dont believe so. I dont believe that the earth is capable of creating aomething as chemically complex as a human being and NOT figuring out how to make it survive death in another form. If mother Gaia can make me..she can scoff at death and laugh in its face. Surely thats not the only reason i believe in an afterlife..but thats one small reason i believe its possible


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22193847 - 09/05/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We need a brain to exist. Ever been under anesthesia?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22193949 - 09/05/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

life is but a dream inside a dream


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #22194991 - 09/05/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps we dont need a brain to exist?


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