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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bazookatooth]
    #22187099 - 09/04/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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\ Then again I like the idea of clouds and big titted angels with platters of weed and mushrooms.




Big titted eager to please angels ... That's salvation.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #22187173 - 09/04/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole "when you die you release DMT in your brain" thing is bullshit too.




Yeah, even Strassman admits that it has been found only in the stomachs and urine of humans. As far as I know, no endogenous DMT has ever been found in a human brain (or any other brain, presumably).




GHB releases on death.

inb4 zomg GHB ze spirit molecule

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #22187179 - 09/04/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't pretend to have any fucking idea what happens after death. I think it would be ignorant to have a preconceived notion of it, as I have either never experienced it, or if I have I have no recollection of it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22187450 - 09/04/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't pretend to have any fucking idea what happens after death. I think it would be ignorant to have a preconceived notion of it, as I have either never experienced it, or if I have I have no recollection of it.




Your life is a segment on an infinite line. Both before and after that segment, you are dead.

Why does nobody ever talk about being in heaven frolicking through meadows before life? Oh, because it's not as romantic and consoling.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22187456 - 09/04/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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\ Then again I like the idea of clouds and big titted angels with platters of weed and mushrooms.




Big titted eager to please angels ... That's salvation.




That's salivation. :yeahthatsright:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22187463 - 09/04/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The afterlife is really wishful thinking.  People really don't want to accept that there is nothing beyond this life.  I don't rule out the possibility of an afterlife, but I do not believe in one.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22187464 - 09/04/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did you know potatoes create Diazepam and an acacia species has PMA AND Meth among its alkaloids?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22187504 - 09/04/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously everyone needs to thoroughly study the evidence and information related to Veridical Near Death Experiences, there is nothing more relevant to the question of if there is an after life. Essentially we now have a large and growing number of people who have died and been revived and for the first time we have a substantial amount of first person accounts of what happens when we die, and these accounts have in many cases involved the accurate perception of events occurring while the person was brain dead, with eyes closed, including accurately accounting what happened while they were being operated on, or in a neighboring room of the hospital. These accounts are found to be accurate and occur when the person is DEAD with no brain activity. This essentially proves that consciousness is not simply a phenomenon of the brain and there  can be consciousness and perception even when the brain is dead and sensation that does not rely on the eyes or ears etc.

To me this subject is almost the only one that has the potential to really tell us the truth about consciousness after death.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Asante]
    #22187514 - 09/04/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What if the highest ranking humans on the planet actually know the answer to the afterlife question and have some very serious influence on the incarnation process as in they can actually place "returning souls" into families that have money, connections, etc.?  Maybe this is the secret they have that allows them to control the heaviest hitters on the planet?  Play the game and you'll come back as part of the ruling class ... again ... and again ... and again.  But buck the system and you're headed for a birth in Gaza or some equally horrific hellhole?  If our universe is truly multi dimensional, is it possible that some humans have connections with entities that can really influence the entire incarnation of souls process?  Maybe that's what all the sex magic rituals are all about?

Maybe the afterlife is as predatory as the world we're in right now?  Shelsters, tricksters, shady dealers, deceivers, etc?  The Tibetans warn of how sober one needs to be going through death as some hugely important decisions await us and we're very easily deceived.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Asante]
    #22187521 - 09/04/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The thing is, when you are dead you don't even care if there is an afterlife or anything because well, you are dead! Your brain is shut down and then there is nothingness for trillions and trillions and trillions of years to come.

I like it this way, it is how it is meant to be. :shrug: Who gives a fuck. People need to just accept you live once and once your brain is dead it is dead and there is nothingness forever. I am actually 100% sure this is what happens. Like I said, it is just gonna be like before you were born since you were technically not alive at that point. I gotta say, I enjoyed the time before I was born because I was dead and didn't give a fuck about being alive. :shrug:

People see lots of shit in near death experiences, but these random anecdotes of them seeing God or whatever means fuck all to me honestly. Humans are the only species so obsessed with death and of course our brains lead us to believe there is something more because that is our nature with humans. Any other animal probably has the attitude of YOLO and this is it baby once I am dead I am dead forever so let's have a good time now.

I would be absolutely shocked if there is something more because that goes against everything science tells us. Death is beautiful, people need to accept it and stop believing in fairy tales.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22187532 - 09/04/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously everyone needs to thoroughly study the evidence and information related to Veridical Near Death Experiences, there is nothing more relevant to the question of if there is an after life. Essentially we now have a large and growing number of people who have died and been revived and for the first time we have a substantial amount of first person accounts of what happens when we die, and these accounts have in many cases involved the accurate perception of events occurring while the person was brain dead, with eyes closed, including accurately accounting what happened while they were being operated on, or in a neighboring room of the hospital. These accounts are found to be accurate and occur when the person is DEAD with no brain activity. This essentially proves that consciousness is not simply a phenomenon of the brain and there  can be consciousness and perception even when the brain is dead and sensation that does not rely on the eyes or ears etc.


To me this subject is almost the only one that has the potential to really tell us the truth about consciousness after death.




I agree with you 100% and think the NDE data, that is pretty huge now, is the most effective way to approach this topic because it gets the closest to the actual experience and it solves many of the problems related to it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22187539 - 09/04/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Seriously everyone needs to thoroughly study the evidence and information related to Veridical Near Death Experiences, there is nothing more relevant to the question of if there is an after life. Essentially we now have a large and growing number of people who have died and been revived and for the first time we have a substantial amount of first person accounts of what happens when we die, and these accounts have in many cases involved the accurate perception of events occurring while the person was brain dead, with eyes closed, including accurately accounting what happened while they were being operated on, or in a neighboring room of the hospital. These accounts are found to be accurate and occur when the person is DEAD with no brain activity. This essentially proves that consciousness is not simply a phenomenon of the brain and there  can be consciousness and perception even when the brain is dead and sensation that does not rely on the eyes or ears etc.

To me this subject is almost the only one that has the potential to really tell us the truth about consciousness after death.




That sounds like complete horse shit to me and proves absolutely nothing.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22187550 - 09/04/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The problem with NDE's is that none of those people actually died.  That's why they are called NEAR Death Experiences, not Death Experiences.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: uninc4life2010]
    #22187559 - 09/04/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with NDE's is that none of those people actually died.  That's why they are called NEAR Death Experiences, not Death Experiences.




Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22187566 - 09/04/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem with NDE's is that none of those people actually died.  That's why they are called NEAR Death Experiences, not Death Experiences.




Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?




Just because we can't measure it at this time doesn't mean the brain is dead. Some people that are alive are "brain dead."


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22187579 - 09/04/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22187588 - 09/04/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.




But if you're dying, why would the brain or imagination do this? For what possible purpose if it's just lights out and nothing?  Why bother?  It just doesn't add up if the end of life is just over.  There would really be no purpose at all to the brain creating this elaborate hoax of an afterlife.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22187598 - 09/04/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.




But if you're dying, why would the brain or imagination do this? For what possible purpose if it's just lights out and nothing?  Why bother?  It just doesn't add up if the end of life is just over.  There would really be no purpose at all to the brain creating this elaborate hoax of an afterlife.




The after life stuff means a lot to people. If you are about to die, you probably are thinking about God or whatever religion you believe in. It does not surprise me at all in those final moments you have some type of vision of your creator or of heaven.

It is human nature for these things to happen. If you were about to die and were thinking about grilled cheese sandwiches I would call you crazy. But to take these visions so seriously and say they are evidence for an after life is ridiculous.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22187605 - 09/04/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Here is just my explanation for what happens with the NDE's. When people are about to die, their imagination goes into over drive. If they are Christian they will probably see God and heaven and if they believe in something else they will see that too. I guarantee that is what is happening and it means jack shit to me in terms of evidence of an after life.

But Moonshoe said they see what is happening on the operating table and shit. Well honestly they could easily throw out a bunch of retarded ideas of what was happening and a few will stick and people will be shocked and think they saw everything but if you were really to ask them specific in depth questions you will easily see that they were just throwing out ideas of what was happening and probably are just guessing. I have absolutely zero faith they were floating around in the room like a fly on the wall watching people operate on their dead body. That makes zero sense. There are a lot of explanations for this though I do not believe it for even a second.




But if you're dying, why would the brain or imagination do this? For what possible purpose if it's just lights out and nothing?  Why bother?  It just doesn't add up if the end of life is just over.  There would really be no purpose at all to the brain creating this elaborate hoax of an afterlife.




The after life stuff means a lot to people. If you are about to die, you probably are thinking about God or whatever religion you believe in. It does not surprise me at all in those final moments you have some type of vision of your creator or of heaven.

It is human nature for these things to happen. If you were about to die and were thinking about grilled cheese sandwiches I would call you crazy. But to take these visions so seriously and say they are evidence for an after life is ridiculous.




But it isn't human nature at all.  We go to sleep each night and have dreams and most religious people RARELY if ever, have dream visions of heaven, the afterlife or encounters with their beloved deities.  The fact is these experiences RARELY, if ever happen, except when drug induced.  It isn't natural at all.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22187623 - 09/04/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Any reasonable explanation for how the brain accomplishes all those things when it is technically dead and not showing any activity at all?




just because they had an experience when they died doesn't mean they had it while they were braindead.  you are assuming time works the same way while we are dreaming, but it doesn't.  they could have experienced everything before going brain dead and the end of the dream would be them waking up, aka they would never know they went brain dead in the dream....aka it would seem like they dreamed the entire time they were asleep/braindead


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