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akira_akuma
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate] 1
#22184507 - 09/03/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmmm maybe the afterlife was discussed so much through human history because it helps us define ourselves around our own inevitable deaths; and perhaps we live better that way. but perhaps it's also wise to not believe in things that will drive you mad or drive you to kill.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate] 1
#22184514 - 09/03/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gresh said: i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form
saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO
What happens after nothingness?
um... nothing? doesnt the word 'nothingness' imply that?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22184541 - 09/03/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Ive heard that is a mistranslation. Ive also heard they it could refer to grapes, instead of women, and thqt '72' really just means theynwill get many virgins. I dont know, any afterlife specifics make me quit listening.
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Gresh said: i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form
saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO
What happens after nothingness?
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specialpeopleclub said: I like to entertain that we inhabit our body, but I think that is most likelyna perceptual illusion and we most likely are our body.
Someone told me very recently something I've been pondering.
"You don't have conscience. You are conscience."
You are donsci0usness, as in, you are the perception of the body that became you.
You can take this even further.
There was a thread from a being from another timeline.
A timeline where the industrial revolution didn't happen, or happened in a different way.
It's as simple as two people not meeting on a certain day.
Anyways, this being from the different timeline said it's people had a very different understanding of consciousness.
*Whoops I spelled it conscience
Anywho, consciousness.
They viewed the word consciousness as....
Relationships
Now what happens if YOU swap those words in YOUR vocabulary????
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
#22184576 - 09/03/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will admit thatbrelationships shape consciousness, as does language, but I am talking about an individual biological experiance. I dont postulate alternate timelines.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
#22184578 - 09/03/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gresh said: i think that [nothingness] as OP sggested is the most likely possibility after death, but i don't discount the possibility of an afterlife or reincarnation in some form
saying you know 100% that there is nothing after life is just as silly as saying you know 100% that there is a god, or that you get 72 virgins, or whatever IMO
What happens after nothingness?
um... nothing? doesnt the word 'nothingness' imply that?
There was a funny thread on the GLP about something similar.
The OP in that thread was arguing that non-existence was real.
That non-existence existed.
Well if non-existence has a place in existence, is it not existence?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22184590 - 09/03/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I will admit thatbrelationships shape consciousness, as does language, but I am talking about an individual biological experiance. I dont postulate alternate timelines.
How do you relate to your biological time machine?
-------------------- We are here to assist, to teach you to evolve as we go through this process together. We give our own version of things only to bring you to a higher consciousness. No matter what situation you find yourself in, it is the power of your thoughts that got you there. It is also the impeccable belief that thought creates that will transform your experience and the planetary existence.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
#22184637 - 09/03/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if non-existence has a place in existence, is it not existence?
non-existence has to exist, or else everything would exist at once. that just isnt the way things work
existence doesn't have to be forever. some things only exist for a very short period of time before they get turned into something more stable
everything cant exist at once.
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cApTaInCrAp
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
#22184686 - 09/03/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The big question I can ask here is:
Do you believe that you are your body?
OR
Do you believe that you inhabit your body?
Know your roots....
I would like to think I inhabit my body but I may feel it to be the other way around. I'm a prove it kind of guy..as sad as it sounds I have a hard time not thinking "well why worry about it, it cannot be known" ..but i suppose that is the attitude that prevents things from being accomplished so that's no good. Nonetheless... ..
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22184840 - 09/03/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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4HO-DMT said: That's right, your energy gets consumed by whatever is eating you. So, your energy changes form and becomes part of the life that is consuming your energy.
My hamburger I ate today was once a living creature, but that certainly does not mean the hamburger is now part of me and is brought back to life in any way.
I never said it was brought back to life. Read my original post. I do not believe that consciousness is preserved in any form.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22184854 - 09/03/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont want to die 
Been gettinf insane death anxiety in the past few months..
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22184860 - 09/03/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No other animal worries about going to heaven or being reincarnated. I think most animals are even more aware then people that once you are dead you are dead. 
It is what it is.
-------------------- Taking acid and thinking you are a better man is a lot different then actually becoming a better man.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] 2
#22185000 - 09/03/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: No other animal worries about going to heaven or being reincarnated. I think most animals are even more aware then people that once you are dead you are dead. 
It is what it is.
nothing is that simple. once you are dead perhaps your consciousness goes to nothing, in which case 1 trillion years, or lets just say an entire big bang cycle, can pass like the blink of an eye since you dont have the consciousness of your current life to perceive time. Then when it is all recycled and begins again, you will eventually, eventually, maybe trillions of years later, wake up in a baby body that 20 years later will be like WTF why are we here and whats after?
You may not remember the past infinite lives youve had, but there is a fact of science that matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Whats here is here, period. It is not some one time event just because we question it this time. It could be happening over and over for eternity, because none of this matter that makes gravity, and life sustaining conditions, can ever be destroyed or removed. You will live a life as everything ever in this existence. As a rock, as an asshole down the street from a hippy, as a hippo (like creature), as a rich king, and a peasant.
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What I believe? That there is a God - not the heaven and hell type of God, just a God that is responsible for this beautiful life, and all its tests. I cant believe that something this amazing is just a random event, it doesnt make sense. Believing that for some reason we are here at the will of another greater being that we could never grasp through our minds, it just makes more sense to me. I just feel its presence, so whatever thats how I roll. My relationship with God makes me a better person
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: ManianFH]
#22185307 - 09/03/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What do I think?
There is nothing before and or after death.
There are no gods. Religion was made by smart groups of people to control a mass group of people from destroying each other and to gain power.
How did we get here? The Cosmos. We are not a one off "lucky chance". There is tons of life in the Cosmos. Some smarter then us. Some very very basic organisms.
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Bitter Cactus
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Burning Warrior]
#22185437 - 09/03/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The whole matter cannot created or destroyed thing is sort of a a retarded argument to say there is life after death. When I take a shit my matter is being transferred into the toilet but that doesn't give me any hope there is an after life.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22185557 - 09/03/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: The whole matter cannot created or destroyed thing is sort of a a retarded argument to say there is life after death. When I take a shit my matter is being transferred into the toilet but that doesn't give me any hope there is an after life.
eating something and shitting it out doesn't discount the possibility of an afterlife in any way
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Adolin]
#22185596 - 09/03/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And by the way, there is no such thing as a soul.
Ask any scientist if there is evidence of a soul. There is NONE.
The burden of proof is on you to prove there is a soul because it is a bullshit claim, since y'all have no proof that means there is no such thing as a soul.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22185613 - 09/03/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The human soul weighs 21 grams.
That's science.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22185621 - 09/03/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitter Cactus said: And by the way, there is no such thing as a soul.
Ask any scientist if there is evidence of a soul. There is NONE.
The burden of proof is on you to prove there is a soul because it is a bullshit claim, since y'all have no proof that means there is no such thing as a soul.
the burden of proof isnt on anyone - there is no evidence for or against the possibility of a 'soul',
and dont 'yall' me, i never said i was religious or anything, i just said i dont subscribe to one, unconfirmable opinion.
Edited by Adolin (09/03/15 10:12 PM)
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Adolin]
#22185645 - 09/03/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe the concept of afterlife is meant to encourage people to do good things and build up the world around them because there will be new "I AMs" and we inherited both the good and bad of the world so it's up to us to try and make it better, because there will be a new "you" after you die, even if it isn't the same ego/identity.
And you are a soul, you don't have one. We are all different souls of the same spirit, I AM, which manifests all things made of matter.
Do you deny having emotions? Do you believe emotions are strictly chemicals or merely affected by chemicals?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#22185658 - 09/03/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly I don't even know what the fuck a soul is. I see people throw around so many different definitions. Is a soul something that is eternal? Because if it is then I think there is no soul.
Take someone who has brain damage for example. There is no bringing back the person they were before. I think whatever drugs you have taken that day can completely change who you are so a lot of it does have to do with chemical balance.
Define soul cause the concept of it confuses me.
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