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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183073 - 09/03/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:jesussaves:


Y'all gonna burn in hell...:devilslist:

:onfire: . . . :peace:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183075 - 09/03/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no such thing.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: vinsue]
    #22183078 - 09/03/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Capers]
    #22183093 - 09/03/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As far as we know the mind exists solely because of the brain

Thus once the brain is dead, so is the mind

But who's to say consciousness itself isn't inherently tied to one sole sentient brain, perhaps when we die our mental information is wiped and our essence automatically locates a new brain to occupy somewhere in the Universe, simply because nonexistence cannot be quantified in the way that we understand it, therefore it has no beginning or end


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183100 - 09/03/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
I do. :shrug:

I don't think there is reincarnation, I do not think you go to heaven. I truly do believe that the 70-80 years you have on this earth are the only time you will ever be alive. After death, I think your brain just basically shuts down and you get eaten up by bugs and there is no bringing you back.

Then you are dead for trillions and zillions of years and that is basically it.


This idea doesn't scare me, for I know it to be true. Unless you believe in dragons in fairies this is basically what happens scientifically. :shrug:

Discuss.




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If not

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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183121 - 09/03/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with OP

I have to remind myself to not state my beliefs at work.  I deal with a lot of people near the end of their life.  They take great solace in the belief that they will somehow go on after death.  It does no good for me to pile doubt on that.  I still haven't come up with a smooth answer when they ask me if I'm christian.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22183122 - 09/03/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you truly believe that chemical reactions create conscious aware beings with a desire to consume resources and reproduce, then I guess it's a correlated belief that consciousness is extinguished at death.

If you believe that something "out there" had to kick start life somehow in order for lifeless matter to transform to organic matter that can generate consciousness, then absolutely anything is possible. 

When a rational explanation of how consciousness first appears in this universe emerges, then I'll be open to the idea that all awareness is extinguished at death.  Until then, the theory that consciousness did not exist before chemicals aligned into DNA to form it seems far fetched to me ... in fact more far fetched than stories of fairies and elves.   

In other words, where did all the "stuff" that created the stuff for the big bang come from, anyway?


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-- Ancient Taoist Master


Edited by KauaiOrca (09/03/15 01:29 PM)


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Beanhead]
    #22183127 - 09/03/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hell and heaven are ridiculous concepts by the way. Reincarnation is far fetched too because one your brain dies, your mind is done too. I really doubt some magic trick happens and you become a bug on another planet. The DNA is passed down from the mother/father to the son and there is no way you can go from being a dead human to part of that new living DNA of some random alien creature. That is not at all how the cycle of life works.

Why this is so hard for people to understand, I will never know. Until a scientist tells me one hundred percent that once I die I will be born again in some other way I am just going to assume that once these brain cells are dead then it is over forever.

#onelife


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183146 - 09/03/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It will just be the end of your current form for awhile. It all comes back around. Change is the only constant.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183154 - 09/03/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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When a rational explanation of how consciousness first appears in this universe emerges, then I'll be open to the idea that all awareness is extinguished at death.




There is a rational explanation.  Consciousness is simply awareness.  somewhere in the evolution of life, life became complex enough (nervous tissue) to have more awareness of the environment and themselves.  This is obviously advantageous for many reasons, ie, can seek out food, avoid becoming food, find mates etc.  So the trend of higher consciousness continued evolving. 

I'm not really sure how the origins of the universe has anything to do with that.  What are you trying to say?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Hippocampus] * 1
    #22183170 - 09/03/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you are all wrong.



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: empty space]
    #22183228 - 09/03/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22183249 - 09/03/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Hippocampus said:
Quote:

KauaiOrca said:
When a rational explanation of how consciousness first appears in this universe emerges, then I'll be open to the idea that all awareness is extinguished at death.




There is a rational explanation.  Consciousness is simply awareness.  somewhere in the evolution of life, life became complex enough (nervous tissue) to have more awareness of the environment and themselves.  This is obviously advantageous for many reasons, ie, can seek out food, avoid becoming food, find mates etc.  So the trend of higher consciousness continued evolving. 

I'm not really sure how the origins of the universe has anything to do with that.  What are you trying to say?




There is no proof at all that life can emerge from lifeless matter.  Countless attempts and experiments have been attempted but it still hasn't been done.  How did those first simple single celled whatever's spring to life in the first place. That needs to be proved.  Seems simple enough as there's life all around us, but it hasn't been proved.

Origins of the universe is the eternal chicken or the egg question.  Did consciousness create form or did form create consciousness?  Did Conscious thought exist before any form was even here? 

Again, when someone can prove that life can spring from lifeless matter, then I'll be open to the idea that life extinguishes at death.  I am much more inclined to believe that life CAME to earth from somewhere else either hitchhiking on a comet or directly seeded by advanced beings.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183257 - 09/03/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just kind of think it is selfish for people to expect they come back to life after they die. Like geeze, give someone else a chance to enjoy the gift of life.

You had your turn.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? *DELETED* [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22183306 - 09/03/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: I've got to leave for a couple years. Hope the best for all of y'all.



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: DampMushroom]
    #22183315 - 09/03/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had a seizure at the gym a while back. I was on the ergometer rowing 500m sprints right after 3 miles of running I fainted at around the 25th interval. My buddy was watching me and he said I convulsed then I got up and ran then smashed my head on a locker. I came back all disoriented by a stairwell and it took 5 min until I knew what happened. This was after about 2 shots a bowl and a brownie with a lil ephedrine HCL btw. I saw nothing but electric lightning bolts and red green noisy dots when it hit me and I heard a terrifying squealing electric zapping sound then it was like my conscious brain shutdown. I think this experience showed me through science that all the living animals with an advanced sense of emotion or thought will be nothing but a shell at death; the neurons of the brainstem instantly loses the ability to work when there is not enough oxygen and the conscious minds we possess will all eventually become masses of bloodless decaying flesh. We won't go anywhere to purgatory or utopia like these religions predict based on my close call I can say life is made of fragile objects that may live extraordinary lives but in the later years cells stop dividing and the genetic material becomes exausted, every living thing loses the will to live and the carcass decays to be returned into the soil.




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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 3
    #22183318 - 09/03/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Think of it this way.

1. It hasn't been proven that life can somehow spring from lifeless matter. Lots of attempts but no success.
2. It hasn't been proven that there is a soul or spirit and it hasn't been proven there isn't.  So science has a big zero on both of these theories.
3. Billions of humans have anecdotal evidence of being communicated to by advanced beings (Gods) that life continues after death.  So, at least on the evidence side, even if it's anecdotal, much more on the life after death side of the argument.
4. For all the stuff that exists now or existed before the big bang, it's logical to deduct that there must be some reason for it.  The reason had to exist before the "stuff" was created or it wouldn't have been created.  Therefore, mind or intention came first.

Therefore, life after death is possible (not certain, but possible). Why?  Because mind / thought / intention was necessary for the universe to be created or exist at all


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22183324 - 09/03/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

When you die, you die.

If there happens to be such a thing as heaven, if there's no beer, I ain't going.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Patlal]
    #22183328 - 09/03/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No liquor in heaven, no whores in heaven, it would suck.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22183351 - 09/03/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Whats up BC?


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