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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22191058 - 09/05/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The only two things in life that you can count on are death and taxes.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191063 - 09/05/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou is just trying to stir up drama. I am not gonna let that happen.




Trying to stir up drama. Says the guy who starts a thread about not liking weed "but I'm like not saying it's a bad drug guise :flowstone:"


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22191072 - 09/05/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Bodhi of Ankou is just trying to stir up drama. I am not gonna let that happen.




Trying to stir up drama. Says the guy who starts a thread about not liking weed "but I'm like not saying it's a bad drug guise :flowstone:"




I don't like weed. I appreciate that others get enjoyment out of it though. :shrug:

Anything else we need to address?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191084 - 09/05/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Tell me more about how if I drink I'll live forever or how white lives don't matter.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22191093 - 09/05/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Tell me more about how if I drink I'll live forever or how white lives don't matter.




I'm done with the die forever topic.

The whole point of the black lives matter movement is to bring attention to discrimination against black people. The movement is about how black lives matter and I just think it is ridiculous for white people to make this movement about themselves. White people saying white lives matter is just making a mockery of the black lives matter movement to me. :shrug:

Why are you even rehashing these old topics anyways? What is your angle here?

Get over it and move on.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191105 - 09/05/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anything else we need to address?




Yes, the amount of butTHertz is like an elephant in the room.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Capers] * 2
    #22191124 - 09/05/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Capers said:
I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191129 - 09/05/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The thought of consciousness just blacking out must put some sort of fear in one's mind, but then I guess having the thought of going to hell forced into your brain all your life is worse. I can only speak for myself(but we're all the same), but any type of fear and uncertainty was gone after having an OBE. No drugs involved and I'm not some hippie spiritual guy, but knowing for a fact you can have consciousness outside your physical body is refreshing. I think the only preview to the afterlife are OBE's and DMT trips.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: squidhead]
    #22191200 - 09/05/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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squidhead said:
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Capers said:
I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191202 - 09/05/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:knowwhatnevermind:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Detached]
    #22191527 - 09/05/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What if awful people like hitler reincarnate to poor starving people in africa?


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22191550 - 09/05/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I choose to not take a stance and that is my way of dealing with that logical dilemma. One theory on the natural phenomenon known as religion is that at some point we gained cognitive enlightenment of that fact and needed to rationalize going on to live with an infinite lifespan. They can trace back to the exact moment of our ancestry that we started buring remains of the dead. The fact that just one day we started doing that does point to an irrational thought process that rationalizations the behavior.  It is odd... I mean today we do it for "respect" but social constructs like having a place to go mourn a dead loved one couldn't exist when we had a vocabulary of MAYBE 1000 words and very small communities. No reason they shouldn't have just left them in the open or just take the body away from camp. Some major cognitive impairment forced a radical change in behavior that still holds us back as a civilization.

Money is the root of evil but fear is the slave owner of rationality.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Sekutma]
    #22191565 - 09/05/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i recently read a book inspired by the tibetan book of the dead, and they say something like, you can search for rebirth but if you had enough of this world you can look for peace in the "afterlife" where you are no more than part of the energy which kind of forms life and the universe.

For my part that's very satisfying to know that i have the choice to not be re-birthed.

btw. the book is named Bardo (great read)


Edited by Eulenspiegel (09/05/15 07:04 AM)


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: squidhead] * 1
    #22191570 - 09/05/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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squidhead said:
Quote:

Capers said:
I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





:lolsy:

Sorry you wasted your life, gramps. Keep racing towards that red light.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22191582 - 09/05/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Another variable to consider and one that I am more inclined to agree with is that everything in the universe is infact energy. Technically the only thing that separates me from you is how that energy takes shape based on fundamental properties in our universe. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed (or so they tell us).  By dieing the energy that defined you still exists.

What is the form of that energy though? I like to think that how we are remembered is the true afterlife and how said energy transfers. You can make a big impact and  help many or destroy many and that will immortalize what is essentially your own life energy. It sounds  kinda like I'm side stepping the true problem but that is kind of the fun of solving this mental imperfection that EVERYBODY experiences once. We have all had a sober bad trip about life being finite. I swear I recall having that feeling at a rather young age.

Also consider "pascals wager", I'm a little burnt out from a long night to explain it but a quick Google search will explain it.


Edited by Sekutma (09/05/15 07:08 AM)


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22191610 - 09/05/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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squidhead said:
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Capers said:
I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





:lolsy:

Sorry you wasted your life, gramps. Keep racing towards that red light.





if being an atheist makes people arrogant and pompous like yourself, then im so glad im not one.

atheists truly come off as scared and empty whenever they start spewing diarrhea out of their mouths.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Sekutma]
    #22191644 - 09/05/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Sekutma said:
I choose to not take a stance and that is my way of dealing with that logical dilemma. One theory on the natural phenomenon known as religion is that at some point we gained cognitive enlightenment of that fact and needed to rationalize going on to live with an infinite lifespan. They can trace back to the exact moment of our ancestry that we started buring remains of the dead. The fact that just one day we started doing that does point to an irrational thought process that rationalizations the behavior.  It is odd... I mean today we do it for "respect" but social constructs like having a place to go mourn a dead loved one couldn't exist when we had a vocabulary of MAYBE 1000 words and very small communities. No reason they shouldn't have just left them in the open or just take the body away from camp. Some major cognitive impairment forced a radical change in behavior that still holds us back as a civilization.

Money is the root of evil but fear is the slave owner of rationality.




It's important to understand that based on what we observe about primitive cultures (aborigines, Papuan, Kogi, many Native American shamanic tribes) is that their interaction with dreaming and altered states (trance, music, psychoactive plants/fungi, etc.) was much more front and center in the daily fabric of their lives.  Their dreaming awareness was much more developed and, as such, they probably had more profound interactions with ancestors, deities, advanced beings, spirit guides, etc. through their dreams.  They didn't consider their dreams the way we do today.  There  is no doubt at all that religion and their orientation to reality was greatly impacted by this ... much, much more than today.  To these cultures, dreaming was REAL and those experiences were much more intense and happened EVERY SINGLE DAY. 

This is where religion and "contact" with what they called spirits and advanced beings took place.  Imagine if every night you went to sleep and had long and profound conversations with a variety of dream beings and developed a long term relationship with them ... they became advisors and your memory of dreams was 1000X stronger than it is today and you even had more powerful lucid dreaming and out of body exploration awareness?  How would that change your orientation to your reality?  They had a REAL and ongoing experience of living in a multi dimensional reality.

Over the centuries, this multi-dimensional interaction with what were believed to be spirits was replaced by scripture and a priest class that claimed an exclusive link to the God realms.  This changed our orientation to reality dramatically and dream/inner states were gradually labeled hallucinations, demonic, insanity and all kinds of taboo.  As such, our relationship with our dreaming awareness is minimal if any at all.  More recently, scripture has been replaced by the scientific process which is a far more disciplined approach to analysis of waking reality only as that is the only reality that the scientific process works.  This is one more step away from a multi dimensional experience of reality.


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-- Ancient Taoist Master


Edited by KauaiOrca (09/05/15 08:08 AM)


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22191703 - 09/05/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First, there is much evidence for natural selection even if we can't go back to the beginning and witness it. Richard Dawkins writes extensively in it and the views of life given by science are convincing. Almost too convincing...

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I think consciousness is just the illusion of an observer arriving from biological processes that are based in chemical reactions. People think by virtue of them experiencing that something special is happening when it is not




So consciousness is nothing special? Do you think that all chemical reactions are associated with some form of consciousness or awareness? I'm not mocking you, I am just curious to know what your opinion is.



No, and I can't prove anyone but I is conscious and awear, as can you also not. I think the illusion of consciousness comes from our perceived ability to make choices, and am still not sure if the choices we make are deterministic or somehow directed by what we perceive as our will.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #22191744 - 09/05/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Capers said:
I believe that once you die that's the end of the line. It's an anxiety-provoking thought, but as the saying goes, it is what it is. I'm thankful for the short time I get.




So basically, Adolph Hitler & Mother Teresa end up in the same situation? A person can kill 6 million people for the hell of it & another can help people find something to eat, put a roof over their heads, take care of their loved ones...& they both have the same outcome when dying?:lol:
I don't buy that scenario for a second. Good people go to Heaven & terrible people hit Hell. I guarantee there are no atheists in foxholes with bullets screaming by their noggins. Every single 1 of them are praying to God to let them live thru the firefight.
50 years ago, this wouldn't even be a discussion. What the fuck has happened to you youngsters? Are your lives so terrible that you no longer believe in God? You atheists / agnostics are in for the surprise of your life...or should I say the surprise of your deaths. I sure as shit wouldn't want to be in your shoes on Judgment Day.:bye:





:lolsy:

Sorry you wasted your life, gramps. Keep racing towards that red light.





if being an atheist makes people arrogant and pompous like yourself, then im so glad im not one.

atheists truly come off as scared and empty whenever they start spewing diarrhea out of their mouths.




If being right makes me pompous and arrogant then I'm glad I don't think like you.


What does it say about believers that they (in my experience) attach the arrogant and pompous label to atheists? There's already an implication that we're correct, you just need to scrape that thought off the subliminal walls of your mind and truly examine it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191754 - 09/05/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever?





yes, that's pretty much how it works, when I die, life pretty much ceases to exist


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