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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22189359 - 09/04/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anecdotes does not equal science.




Yet, what percentage of scientists believe that life originated here on earth from "natural" chemical processes that eventually form living cells?  Nearly all.

Yet there is not one shred of evidence this can or ever has happened.  Billions have been invested to prove it, yet no results. 

Why do they believe this and, to some extent, base much of their theory of what life even is on it?  They have no proof and the scientific method has yielded no results.

The scientific community has bias.  They seek to confirm that bias, as do you.  Data analysis is a type of science.  The analysis of testimonial data is science.


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-- Ancient Taoist Master


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22189373 - 09/04/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think consciousness is just the illusion of an observer arriving from biological processes that are based in chemical reactions. People think by virtue of them experiencing that something special is happening when it is not




So consciousness is nothing special? Do you think that all chemical reactions are associated with some form of consciousness or awareness? I'm not mocking you, I am just curious to know what your opinion is.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22189376 - 09/04/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You can have a million anecdotes and it means absolutely nothing. These NDE stories are horse shit too.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22189381 - 09/04/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

consciouness IS special. if you could watch all the interconnexions of the axons,the neurons and so forth in real time, you'd shit your pants.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22189448 - 09/04/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You can have a million anecdotes and it means absolutely nothing. These NDE stories are horse shit too.




LMAO!  According to who?  You?  It's far more than "anecdotes" as you put it.  Science can't prove that there is no afterlife and they can't prove that life originated on this planet from some "natural" chemical process.  NDE's are the closest we have gotten to the afterlife experience.  There are a growing number of carefully documented NDE's that show conclusively that consciousness can indeed leave the body and observe events happening in another room in real time.  Therefore, consciousness is not limited to the perception boundaries of the body and we are "seeing" and "observing" with something that has nothing to do with eyes and ears.  That's a bitter pill for science to swallow.  They hate it.  Nonetheless, every week, more NDE cases are documented and a percentage of them prove the consciousness can and does leave the body.


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-- Ancient Taoist Master


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22189489 - 09/04/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Threads like these really make me question the overall intelligence of the shroomery.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22189506 - 09/04/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Random NDE anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. Using anecdotes as proof to support your claims is something science would never do.

Science doesn't have to prove there isn't an after life. Just like science doesn't have to prove there aren't magical dragons that take purple colored shits. Those ideas do not align with science therefore no scientist has to provide evidence they do not exist. The burden of proof is on you to provide any evidence that your random after life theories are true.

Using anecdotes and vague stories of random people is the worst kind of proof you can give.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22189594 - 09/04/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Random NDE anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. Using anecdotes as proof to support your claims is something science would never do.

Science doesn't have to prove there isn't an after life. Just like science doesn't have to prove there aren't magical dragons that take purple colored shits. Those ideas do not align with science therefore no scientist has to provide evidence they do not exist. The burden of proof is on you to provide any evidence that your random after life theories are true.

Using anecdotes and vague stories of random people is the worst kind of proof you can give.



We're speaking of things that are not prove-able either way....:wizardfail:

No side can absolutely prove their point without the other one tearing it to shreds.:nono:

I came here to share with others what I believe in based on the things that I know and the wisdom I keep.:cookiemonster:

All in good discussion. :super:

All perspectives of the one reality. :shocked:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22189681 - 09/04/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Random NDE anecdotes prove absolutely nothing. Using anecdotes as proof to support your claims is something science would never do.

Science doesn't have to prove there isn't an after life. Just like science doesn't have to prove there aren't magical dragons that take purple colored shits. Those ideas do not align with science therefore no scientist has to provide evidence they do not exist. The burden of proof is on you to provide any evidence that your random after life theories are true.

Using anecdotes and vague stories of random people is the worst kind of proof you can give.




There's no "proof" on either side of the question.  That's reality.  The pro-science  crowd BELIEVES consciousness depends on the body and is extinguished when the body dies.  The pro after life crowd believe consciousness exists in a multi dimensional universe and incarnates into a physical body than detaches from that body when the physical body dies.

Can you point to one credible large scale scientific study by scientists you trust as credible to truly try and prove whether or not consciousness survives death that came up with nothing?  Just one, large, well funded study by scientists you really trust?  Just one. 



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"The universe is endless, limitless and infinite.  Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance.  We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end.  There is only memory.  Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends.  Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations.  Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death."

-- Ancient Taoist Master


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22190197 - 09/04/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think most scientists would come to the census that chemical reactions produce what we call consciousness. And it is a fact that mass and energy are conserved during a chemical reaction. Now, I don't think that all chemical reactions cause consciousness or awareness. But, I do think that some chemical reactions cause awareness. So, what makes these chemical reactions so special?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT] * 2
    #22190282 - 09/04/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22190501 - 09/04/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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4HO-DMT said:
I think most scientists would come to the census that chemical reactions produce what we call consciousness. And it is a fact that mass and energy are conserved during a chemical reaction. Now, I don't think that all chemical reactions cause consciousness or awareness. But, I do think that some chemical reactions cause awareness. So, what makes these chemical reactions so special?




Yep, pretty sure all the different parts of your brain together form consciousness. The chemicals, the neurotransmitters, they all work together to make consciousness happen.

It is not that complicated. :shrug:

Brains doing brain things ya know?


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22190864 - 09/04/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bitter cactus is literally the shittest  fucking troll the shroomery has ever encountered. He doesn't even come up with original shit. It's like he just browses threads that have blown up to 39 or more pages and rehashs the original line. Nothing he says is even mildly original, and honestly it's kind of embarassing to see people fall for this shit left and right. Seriously. I could go "DAE Vegan" and watch that shit blow up on the same level. It's fucking pathetic.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22190912 - 09/04/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I love giving BC shit, even if he's trolling.  Good times.  I think he actually believes a lot of the shit that spews out of his mouth, though.  Hard to say... he is pretty consistent and enthusiastic about it.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22190925 - 09/04/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter cactus is literally the shittest  fucking troll the shroomery has ever encountered. He doesn't even come up with original shit. It's like he just browses threads that have blown up to 39 or more pages and rehashs the original line. Nothing he says is even mildly original, and honestly it's kind of embarassing to see people fall for this shit left and right. Seriously. I could go "DAE Vegan" and watch that shit blow up on the same level. It's fucking pathetic.




I am not trolling I just wanted to have a discussion about what happens when you die. :shrug:

These are my real opinions too. :shrug:

If you don't like the content of the thread maybe you should just stop reading. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trolling.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22190980 - 09/04/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your threads are purposefully inflammatory garbage. Don't try and sit back and act innocent  your topics fucking suck massive dick. Go ahead and make a thread about factory farms next. Go champion hillary, go support cops you  fucking troll. I'm more surprised you haven't been perm'd yet.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22191034 - 09/05/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Your threads are purposefully inflammatory garbage. Don't try and sit back and act innocent  your topics fucking suck massive dick. Go ahead and make a thread about factory farms next. Go champion hillary, go support cops you  fucking troll. I'm more surprised you haven't been perm'd yet.




Inflammatory garbage? I thought this was an interesting topic. :shrug:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191039 - 09/05/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Now this is getting interesting :popcorn:


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Detached]
    #22191044 - 09/05/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bodhi of Ankou is just trying to stir up drama. I am not gonna let that happen.


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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22191055 - 09/05/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dudes dudes dudes....



life is naturally a mystery. death is truly a mystery and we MUST find out only when we die. For anyone to think they have an absolute yes or no answer is ignorant.

personally, I believe there is an afterlife. We may be in it right now, its just the filters in our brains evolved to filter out these dimensions because mother earth wanted us to have a means of learning lessons and appreciating both sides.

even if there is no god...there still can be an after-life. Without a doubt.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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