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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22188169 - 09/04/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: if you havn't heard the term legit, and quack doctor before then i can't help you. you either get the reference or you don't. and you claiming their is 7 million "legit" NDE's, tells me that you and me have completely different idea's on what the word legit means. your claim in my definition puts you closer to 7 million quack NDE storys
I would say that the overwhelming majority of doctors working in emergency rooms are "legit." Probably over 90%. Most of the NDE's do happen in emergency rooms and a lot are happening during surgery. Are most surgeons not "legit?"
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22188173 - 09/04/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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its about as much proof as the abductions by UFO claims proving aliens exist, its almost exactly the same thing
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: HalluciNate]
#22188176 - 09/04/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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HalluciNate said: I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.
Thank God 93% of our most elite scientists think the opposite. I'm happy to live in a world where the higher the education, the tougher the degree, the more logical the thinker, the less the chance of "personally believing" in made up fairy tales that make you feel better. It would really suck if the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world were religious. Thankfully, it is the opposite, and if you go into the poorest least educated places in the world (The Philippines, Nigeria, Ghana, US Prisons, etc.), that is where you will find people that agree with you.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22188181 - 09/04/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: if you havn't heard the term legit, and quack doctor before then i can't help you. you either get the reference or you don't. and you claiming their is 7 million "legit" NDE's, tells me that you and me have completely different idea's on what the word legit means. your claim in my definition puts you closer to 7 million quack NDE storys
I would say that the overwhelming majority of doctors working in emergency rooms are "legit." Probably over 90%. Most of the NDE's do happen in emergency rooms and a lot are happening during surgery. Are most surgeons not "legit?"
they clearly arn't legit scientists if thats what your asking, if you were asking something else ill refer you back to the paragraph where i first mentioned it for that answer.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22188206 - 09/04/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good thread  We should be less afraid to speculate more. What if this stuff is just undiscovered Science? Where would Science be today hadn't our Scientists of the past dreamt. Like nicechrisman and pb, when it comes down to it, I see no point in investing any belief in this stuff. Arguing for or against it is falling into the trap IMO.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Confucian] 1
#22188252 - 09/04/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: its about as much proof as the abductions by UFO claims proving aliens exist, its almost exactly the same thing

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HalluciNate said: I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.
Thank God 93% of our most elite scientists think the opposite. I'm happy to live in a world where the higher the education, the tougher the degree, the more logical the thinker, the less the chance of "personally believing" in made up fairy tales that make you feel better. It would really suck if the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world were religious. Thankfully, it is the opposite, and if you go into the poorest least educated places in the world (The Philippines, Nigeria, Ghana, US Prisons, etc.), that is where you will find people that agree with you.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: zappaisgod] 2
#22188277 - 09/04/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22188293 - 09/04/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's silly when people think their body is the entirety of what they are. Science isn't of any use in the realm of spirit. Spock isn't going to be able to work it out. Lose your mind and become one with all. When you come back you can start to comprehend a life beyond the one your living. In that space of time there was no trace of the ego, but there was so much more. I guess many psyche users have a hard time remembering or never really got that high? Maybe they have a really tenacious ego, the dose is too low? I don't know. Experience is the teacher. Btw Non existence isn't even a thing.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22188305 - 09/04/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said: I think it's silly when people think their body is the entirety of what they are. Science isn't of any use in the realm of spirit. Spock isn't going to be able to work it out. Lose your mind and become one with all. When you come back you can start to comprehend a life beyond the one your living. In that space of time there was no trace of the ego, but there was so much more. I guess many psyche users have a hard time remembering or never really got that high? Maybe they have a really tenacious ego, the dose is too low? I don't know. Experience is the teacher. Btw Non existence isn't even a thing.

Your "psychedelic knowledge" is about as relevant as the shit smears on my toilet paper when I wipe my ass in the morning.
No but seriously, science tells us that you really are just a body with a brain and once the brain is dead so are you. There is really nothing more to it. Just think about the millions and millions and millions of ants that lived and died. It's not like they go to a special place. They have babies and those babies die and the cycle goes round and round.
People need to understand nature in nature there are no do overs for anybody.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22188581 - 09/04/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are lots of things science doesn't know, that is the practice of science. You don't acknowledge this fact which makes you a half believer of science. In fact it makes you more delusional than anyone you put down for having relevant theories. Real scientists accept that there is always new possibilities.
Which means a real scientist is agnostic.
What are you?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Confucian] 1
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HalluciNate said: I personally believe the death of the body does not render a death of self.
Thank God 93% of our most elite scientists think the opposite. I'm happy to live in a world where the higher the education, the tougher the degree, the more logical the thinker, the less the chance of "personally believing" in made up fairy tales that make you feel better. It would really suck if the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world were religious. Thankfully, it is the opposite, and if you go into the poorest least educated places in the world (The Philippines, Nigeria, Ghana, US Prisons, etc.), that is where you will find people that agree with you.
You're pulling numbers straight out of your ass.
The actual elite know this very well and their knowledge of who incarnates when and where is the most powerful thing they have.
Then they can use that beings personal vices to move them.
But it's alright, all that's coming to an end, we're here. 
There's still inner work to be done, so ask yourself if you're in the clear.
But we already know that. 
Like we already know the answer to this thread....
This is a tree falling in the forest kind of thread and you're accounting to other so called scientists views on the afterlife. 
Is it that people who believe in the afterlife/reincarnation/karma and the whole lot are shunned by people who know their fair share is coming back around to them...?
Are the user's here really debating in the name of science to dismiss the thought of the afterlife?
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Are they debating against it to justify their life choices and make themselves feel better for the time being?
It's ok either way brothers and sisters. 
It's simply a matter of where you'd like to hangout at the moment. 
Eating some more mushrooms could help with this, as they are decomposers.
Bringing life to death.
Be prepared to face yours though, that's for sure. 
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Would you prefer there to be life after death of your terrestrial Earth body?
If so, why or why not?
Why would it be good/bad/ or somewhere in between?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Asante]
#22188691 - 09/04/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: Did you know potatoes create Diazepam and an acacia species has PMA AND Meth among its alkaloids?

Never heard about the potato thing before now, but with Acacia berlandieri and rigidula I don't think the presence of those compounds was ever confirmed by anyone else. Shulgin thought it might have been a case of contaminated lab equipment. Other compounds that would also be very surprising to find in a legume were reported in there as well, such as mescaline and nicotine.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: psi]
#22188811 - 09/04/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A TRUE scientist would say this about the afterlife ... I DON'T KNOW ...
Science has as much evidence that there is an afterlife as they have that there isn't. They have no conclusive evidence either way.
There is an entire mountain range of anecdotal evidence that there is an afterlife. A lot of that is nonsense and some of it is extremely compelling.
And yet more and more scientists every week are leaning in the direction that we occupy an infinitely complex multi DIMENSIONAL universe. How exactly would a "physical body" work in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension? How about the 10th or 12th, or 15th or 27th dimension?
What we know is so tiny compared to what's out there. Realize that there is a theory of an afterlife with multi dimensional beings WITHOUT all the Abrahamic Religious nonsense that bothers so many.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22188882 - 09/04/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: A TRUE scientist would say this about the afterlife ... I DON'T KNOW ...
Science has as much evidence that there is an afterlife as they have that there isn't. They have no conclusive evidence either way.
There is an entire mountain range of anecdotal evidence that there is an afterlife. A lot of that is nonsense and some of it is extremely compelling.
And yet more and more scientists every week are leaning in the direction that we occupy an infinitely complex multi DIMENSIONAL universe. How exactly would a "physical body" work in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension? How about the 10th or 12th, or 15th or 27th dimension?
What we know is so tiny compared to what's out there. Realize that there is a theory of an afterlife with multi dimensional beings WITHOUT all the Abrahamic Religious nonsense that bothers so many.
QFT

We will never know whilst alive, and this is the mystery/ a part of the mystery we live in.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22189106 - 09/04/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: A TRUE scientist would say this about the afterlife ... I DON'T KNOW ...
Science has as much evidence that there is an afterlife as they have that there isn't. They have no conclusive evidence either way.
There is an entire mountain range of anecdotal evidence that there is an afterlife. A lot of that is nonsense and some of it is extremely compelling.
And yet more and more scientists every week are leaning in the direction that we occupy an infinitely complex multi DIMENSIONAL universe. How exactly would a "physical body" work in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th dimension? How about the 10th or 12th, or 15th or 27th dimension?
What we know is so tiny compared to what's out there. Realize that there is a theory of an afterlife with multi dimensional beings WITHOUT all the Abrahamic Religious nonsense that bothers so many.
I think a scientist would tell you there is zero evidence of an after life. 
Science tells us that once your brain dies life is over and nothing else happens. By making the claim there is an after life, the burden of proof is on you to support that statement.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22189295 - 09/04/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Science can be used to poi t out what constitutes us biologically, not psychologically. A soul is not part of that make up.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22189303 - 09/04/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think a scientist would tell you there is zero evidence of an after life. 
Science tells us that once your brain dies life is over and nothing else happens. By making the claim there is an after life, the burden of proof is on you to support that statement.
Given that mankind has been testifying to having direct experience with the afterlife realm for thousands of years ... virtually every culture on the planet. Given a veritable mountain of anecdotal evidence and billion of humans that testify to it.
It is science that is making the extraordinary claim that all these billions of humans are wrong and always have been wrong. The burden of proof to prove there is no afterlife is on Science. Thus far, they have been unable to prove this. Yet the multi dimensional aspect of our universe is gaining more and more traction in the science community.
I can produce unlimited testimonial experience of an afterlife. What proof do you have it doesn't exist?
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22189325 - 09/04/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anecdotes does not equal science.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#22189342 - 09/04/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey BC, I have a question for you. I believe in science and I believe scientists have pulled off extraordinary feats. But, I also believe that science doesn't tell the whole story. So, my question is: what do you think consciousness is? Science doesn't have an explanation for it. Maybe it is just chemical reactions, but if I let a piece of iron sit in water, a chemical reaction takes place to make rust. I don't believe that this chemical reaction has consciousness.
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Re: Does anyone else here think that once you die life is completely over forever? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22189355 - 09/04/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think consciousness is just the illusion of an observer arriving from biological processes that are based in chemical reactions. People think by virtue of them experiencing that something special is happening when it is not
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