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the thread about CBD oil * 1
    #22182351 - 09/03/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the thread is deleted because it's a source thread, I was leaving it open for
discussion but morrowwasted decided to continue editing his post to encourage
people to post sources after he was told to stop doing so and the sources were
edited out of the thread, the thread had discussion but now it has nothing

here are a few facts about CBD oil and it's legality

CBD oil is not legal in all 50 states, it's a grey area under federal law
CBD oil is legal in some states
CBD oil is legal in some states for people with a prescription
CBD oil is not legal in some state

because it's a grey area under federal law, posting sources for it falls under the
same classification as posting sources for illicit drugs


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #22182365 - 09/03/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is cbd legal in Canada ?

What is your sex life like prisoner 1?


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22182463 - 09/03/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If there's anyone here who has used CBD oil for relief of physical ailments or have had remarkable results, I would love to hear first hand what specific effect this oil has on muscles. I have found that a good indica works better than the muscle relaxers I've taken, and I'm curious if the oil has the same if not more effect on muscles. Medical marijuana has the green light in Illinois, but there's no telling when shops will be open for business or if I will even qualify. The symptoms of my condition are on the list of qualifications but my condition is not.  I would think they would jump right on it considering how broke and in debt this state is. Someone won the lottery here and got an IOU.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22182505 - 09/03/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is an herb shop close to me that sales Hemp Oil fortified with CBD Oil that showed some results in helping with anxiety, stress, and pain relief as well.

Granted, I would think a fortified version of this product would have only small results when compared to pure CBD oil.

I live in Georgia btw, which recently passed a bill for CBD oil, but I honestly think the oil I got was a weaker version of the real thing.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22182571 - 09/03/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can't mess around because I get piss tested by my pain management doc. I think the general consensus is it doesn't show on test, but still I will have to be honest with them and not try to sneak anything by them. The indica turns my legs into butter, and if it's the CBD part of the equation that is doing it, I'll be set.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22182603 - 09/03/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
I can't mess around because I get piss tested by my pain management doc. I think the general consensus is it doesn't show on test, but still I will have to be honest with them and not try to sneak anything by them. The indica turns my legs into butter, and if it's the CBD part of the equation that is doing it, I'll be set.




Drug tests only test for THC, not CBD. That is the catch to the "medical marijuana" law in Georgia ( if you even consider it medical marijuana, which I do not consider our current law to be so). The CBD oil products in my state are only allowed a very very tiny amount of THC (like .01%), which is far to low to be detected by any drug test

However, if you do choose to purchase a CBD oil product, make sure you ask about the THC content and explain why because the laws concerning the THC content varies by state.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22182869 - 09/03/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
the thread is deleted because it's a source thread, I was leaving it open for
discussion but morrowwasted decided to continue editing his post to encourage
people to post sources after he was told to stop doing so and the sources were
edited out of the thread, the thread had discussion but now it has nothing

here are a few facts about CBD oil and it's legality

CBD oil is not legal in all 50 states, it's a grey area under federal law
CBD oil is legal in some states
CBD oil is legal in some states for people with a prescription
CBD oil is not legal in some state

because it's a grey area under federal law, posting sources for it falls under the
same classification as posting sources for illicit drugs




That's a shame that he ruined the thread. Any ways does this go for CBD made from hemp? I see it, all the time on the Internet claiming the "Legal in all 50 states" advertisement/label on many of these products.

hmm... I wish I could of copied and pasted my information I added to that thread back there, its a little hard to rejuvenate. I suppose I can try later after I have my coffee soon here.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22182874 - 09/03/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Astral Pain said:
I can't mess around because I get piss tested by my pain management doc. I think the general consensus is it doesn't show on test, but still I will have to be honest with them and not try to sneak anything by them. The indica turns my legs into butter, and if it's the CBD part of the equation that is doing it, I'll be set.




Drug tests only test for THC, not CBD. That is the catch to the "medical marijuana" law in Georgia ( if you even consider it medical marijuana, which I do not consider our current law to be so). The CBD oil products in my state are only allowed a very very tiny amount of THC (like .01%), which is far to low to be detected by any drug test

However, if you do choose to purchase a CBD oil product, make sure you ask about the THC content and explain why because the laws concerning the THC content varies by state.





This is why many people/websites are selling CBD products made from hemp. In the last thread interestingly enough no one knew that!


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183046 - 09/03/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:
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Pariahprose said:
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Astral Pain said:
I can't mess around because I get piss tested by my pain management doc. I think the general consensus is it doesn't show on test, but still I will have to be honest with them and not try to sneak anything by them. The indica turns my legs into butter, and if it's the CBD part of the equation that is doing it, I'll be set.




Drug tests only test for THC, not CBD. That is the catch to the "medical marijuana" law in Georgia ( if you even consider it medical marijuana, which I do not consider our current law to be so). The CBD oil products in my state are only allowed a very very tiny amount of THC (like .01%), which is far to low to be detected by any drug test

However, if you do choose to purchase a CBD oil product, make sure you ask about the THC content and explain why because the laws concerning the THC content varies by state.





This is why many people/websites are selling CBD products made from hemp. In the last thread interestingly enough no one knew that!




Wow, really? Most of the people / websites probably did not advertise them as such. People disgust me sometimes, that is false advertising no matter how you look at it. Its fucked up to get someone's hopes up like that with a product that can have such healing power.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183057 - 09/03/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I will post what I know about this stuff.

Most CBD products sold on the internet are made from hemp. I know this because all you have to do is search it. Give it ago most websites clearly state their products are made from hemp. I feel they are great for anxiety, nervousness and very very minor aches and pains.

I have used far and many CBD products made from hemp and I have passed a drug test with no THC showing up. The ones you buy at a dollar store. The CBD from hemp is the same as CBD from marijuana, just being from hemp there's such low levels of THC that theres no chance of failing a standard drug test unless the test was so extensive that they search for tiny trace amounts of THC.

I have tried the e-liquids. Within vaporizing I have had little success within getting "high". You can search youtube on this subject and most people on there will tell you the same thing when you are looking up reviews on the E-liquids.

Most websites say they have had their products tested. 100% safe and clean. Is this true and its not something else causing a person to get the tiny small buzz? I don't know.
Many people say you can not get a buzz from CBD, so could other cannabinoids be responsible? These are all unknown, at least to me. When I use a good CBD product made from hemp I can drink a cup of coffee for example be over hyped from the coffee, use the product and calm right back down to my normal state again and be comfortable.

Within regards to CBD derived from hemp - infused products I have achieved more success. Such as CBD infused damiana herb. This is not what your normal stoner would call a high. I would not call it a narcotic intoxication. At most I have received a tiny little 15-20 minutes buzz from these products. The buzz is more relaxing than a cigarette and its just not intoxicating enough to be called a marijuana high or a narcotic. It does not compare or even come slightly close to a high from a research chemical product such as the popular incense(s) and other things which are no longer sold legally. If you smoke marijuana then later on in the day try a CBD infused product you probably wont feel any thing.

I have used CBD tinctures made from hemp which can also be vaporized. I notice when I would vape them I would get little to nothing out of it. However when I would give a wipe on the inside of my cig paper and roll up some tobacco I could feel the little effects, they were weaker but similar to the infused CBD products. Pretty weird.

Be careful which CBD from hemp products you buy. The FDA has gave out warnings that the majority of them after being tested in fact contained little to no CBD at all. If you are going to buy this stuff you need to find a reputable/trusted source.

http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/41401/fda-issues-warnings-to-makers-of-legal-cbd-hemp-oil-products/

So is a CBD product deprived from hemp worth it? The answer is no if your looking to get stoned or already smoke marijuana. If you want something more enjoyable than a cigarette and don't smoke weed, you need to get the right product you may come to find its worth your time.

reason for edit - added information.


Edited by Dr.Wongburger (09/03/15 01:25 PM)


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22183099 - 09/03/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:
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Pariahprose said:
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Astral Pain said:
I can't mess around because I get piss tested by my pain management doc. I think the general consensus is it doesn't show on test, but still I will have to be honest with them and not try to sneak anything by them. The indica turns my legs into butter, and if it's the CBD part of the equation that is doing it, I'll be set.




Drug tests only test for THC, not CBD. That is the catch to the "medical marijuana" law in Georgia ( if you even consider it medical marijuana, which I do not consider our current law to be so). The CBD oil products in my state are only allowed a very very tiny amount of THC (like .01%), which is far to low to be detected by any drug test

However, if you do choose to purchase a CBD oil product, make sure you ask about the THC content and explain why because the laws concerning the THC content varies by state.





This is why many people/websites are selling CBD products made from hemp. In the last thread interestingly enough no one knew that!




Wow, really? Most of the people / websites probably did not advertise them as such. People disgust me sometimes, that is false advertising no matter how you look at it. Its fucked up to get someone's hopes up like that with a product that can have such healing power.




I imagine there's a entire spider web of people selling CBD products made from hemp as something else. You gotta jump onto the right web!

You can always search youtube for CBD hemp products however most are just reviews of the e-liquids which wont be of any help.

The CBD from hemp is not bad and if a legit product is used it does have some value, mainly calming effects and such, such as helping with anxiety. I would say its no good for aches and pains unless very minor. I'm speaking from the experience with the products I have used, not to down all other possibilities. The CBD from hemp is the same as CBD from marijuana just being from hemp there's such low levels of THC that theres no chance of failing a drug test unless the test is so extensive that they search for tiny trace amounts.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183124 - 09/03/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a little skeptical of this stuff actually being a commercially available substance at all. Hemp contains very little detectable THC at all so why would it have CBD? I'm again just not seeing very much evidence here.

Even the high CBD strains that I have worked with trimming have got atleast 10-12% THC along with 3-12% CBD. Seperating the two cannabanoids would be difficult; but not impossible, requiring a significant amount.

Avidekel is a strain that purportedly has 1% THC and 15-17% CBD, but its only available from a Israeli pharmaceutical style cannabis company.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dest]
    #22183167 - 09/03/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm a little skeptical of this stuff actually being a commercially available substance at all. Hemp contains very little detectable THC at all so why would it have CBD? I'm again just not seeing very much evidence here.

Even the high CBD strains that I have worked with trimming have got atleast 10-12% THC along with 3-12% CBD. Seperating the two cannabanoids would be difficult; but not impossible, requiring a significant amount.

Avidekel is a strain that purportedly has 1% THC and 15-17% CBD, but its only available from a Israeli pharmaceutical style cannabis company.




I have recently ordered CBD rich hemp that should be safe. I will go up town today to buy a $1 drug test, I will post back later.

Here's the label -





I can say I have used concentrated CBD hemp products and passed a drug test. However I do not know which hemp strains those products where made from. It would concern me thinking that CBD rich hemp could cause one to fail a drug test.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dest]
    #22183169 - 09/03/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dest said:
I'm a little skeptical of this stuff actually being a commercially available substance at all. Hemp contains very little detectable THC at all so why would it have CBD? I'm again just not seeing very much evidence here.

Even the high CBD strains that I have worked with trimming have got atleast 10-12% THC along with 3-12% CBD. Seperating the two cannabanoids would be difficult; but not impossible, requiring a significant amount.

Avidekel is a strain that purportedly has 1% THC and 15-17% CBD, but its only available from a Israeli pharmaceutical style cannabis company.




That is why its hemp oil fortified w/ CBD. I do not think hemp on its own necessarily has CBD oil in, hence "fortified" meaning adding too.

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22183193 - 09/03/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pariahprose said:
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Dest said:
I'm a little skeptical of this stuff actually being a commercially available substance at all. Hemp contains very little detectable THC at all so why would it have CBD? I'm again just not seeing very much evidence here.

Even the high CBD strains that I have worked with trimming have got atleast 10-12% THC along with 3-12% CBD. Seperating the two cannabanoids would be difficult; but not impossible, requiring a significant amount.

Avidekel is a strain that purportedly has 1% THC and 15-17% CBD, but its only available from a Israeli pharmaceutical style cannabis company.




That is why its hemp oil fortified w/ CBD. I do not think hemp on its own necessarily has CBD oil in, hence "fortified" meaning adding too.

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.




Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -

"Several industrial hemp varieties can be legally cultivated in western Europe. A variety such as "Fedora 17" has a cannabinoid profile consistently around 1% cannabidiol (CBD) with THC less than 0.1%.[34]

Extraction can be done with olive oil, ethanol, or CO2, and other nonpolar to semipolar solvents."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#Industrial_hemp

Maybe they just use a shit ton of it since its so cheap in Europe.

The thing is there is such little information on the different strains of hemp, who knows maybe they have strains containing higher levels of CBD and still low levels of THC. Its grown all over the place! Most of the vendors do how ever guarantee you a low level (they tell the % on their sites usually) of THC in their products.

reason for edit - added information.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183197 - 09/03/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pariahprose said:
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Dest said:
I'm a little skeptical of this stuff actually being a commercially available substance at all. Hemp contains very little detectable THC at all so why would it have CBD? I'm again just not seeing very much evidence here.

Even the high CBD strains that I have worked with trimming have got atleast 10-12% THC along with 3-12% CBD. Seperating the two cannabanoids would be difficult; but not impossible, requiring a significant amount.

Avidekel is a strain that purportedly has 1% THC and 15-17% CBD, but its only available from a Israeli pharmaceutical style cannabis company.




That is why its hemp oil fortified w/ CBD. I do not think hemp on its own necessarily has CBD oil in, hence "fortified" meaning adding too.

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.




Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -

"Several industrial hemp varieties can be legally cultivated in western Europe. A variety such as "Fedora 17" has a cannabinoid profile consistently around 1% cannabidiol (CBD) with THC less than 0.1%.[34]

Extraction can be done with olive oil, ethanol, or CO2, and other nonpolar to semipolar solvents."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#Industrial_hemp

Maybe they just use a shit ton of it since its so cheap in Europe.




Does this mean fortified products have more than just the regular low concentration typically found in hemp?


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22183223 - 09/03/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I was looking for seeds and can't find anything that has no thc but

charolettes web is made in colorado and if you shop around on amazon you can find the company that grows it :wink:


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22183233 - 09/03/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pariahprose said:
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Dest said:
I'm a little skeptical of this stuff actually being a commercially available substance at all. Hemp contains very little detectable THC at all so why would it have CBD? I'm again just not seeing very much evidence here.

Even the high CBD strains that I have worked with trimming have got atleast 10-12% THC along with 3-12% CBD. Seperating the two cannabanoids would be difficult; but not impossible, requiring a significant amount.

Avidekel is a strain that purportedly has 1% THC and 15-17% CBD, but its only available from a Israeli pharmaceutical style cannabis company.




That is why its hemp oil fortified w/ CBD. I do not think hemp on its own necessarily has CBD oil in, hence "fortified" meaning adding too.

Someone correct me if I am wrong here.




Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -
"Several industrial hemp varieties can be legally cultivated in western Europe. A variety such as "Fedora 17" has a cannabinoid profile consistently around 1% cannabidiol (CBD) with THC less than 0.1%.[34]

Extraction can be done with olive oil, ethanol, or CO2, and other nonpolar to semipolar solvents."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol#Industrial_hemp

Maybe they just use a shit ton of it since its so cheap in Europe.



Does this mean fortified products have more than just the regular low concentration typically found in hemp?



If the product is made from marijuana I cant say. If its made from hemp/CBD from hemp I can say if you are talking about THC it depends on the strain of hemp that was used.
Check out this info from wiki -

"A total of 26 varieties of hemp with low levels of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) are certified by the European Union (EU).[55] They have, unlike other types, a very high fiber content of 30-40%. In contrast to cannabis for medical use, varieties grown for fiber and seed have less than 0.2% THC and they are unsuitable for producing hashish and marijuana.[56] The most important cannabinoid in industrial hemp is cannabidiol (CBD) with a proportion of 1 to 5%."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#Cultivars


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    #22183270 - 09/03/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5-must-know-facts-cannabidiol-cbd/




There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area. I have also read that CBD does not get you high or does anything with in recreational means many times. The CBD products made from hemp seem to cause a effect tho, which leads me to believe its adulterated or other cannabinoids are responsible.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183287 - 09/03/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hemp buds... pretty neat really


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183302 - 09/03/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5-must-know-facts-cannabidiol-cbd/




There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area. I have also read that CBD does not get you high or does anything with in recreational means many times. The CBD products made from hemp seem to cause a effect tho, which leads me to believe its adulterated or other cannabinoids are responsible.




My gf noted a slight head change from the CBD product we got, granted, she does have anxiety issues so the head change might have been the feeling of her anxiety going away.

Also, I have heard that in lower doses CBD is more energetic but higher doses can be more sedating. What could be the culprit behind this occurrence?

I have to say, from my own experience I agree with the energetic / sedative capabilities of CBD. Could higher concentrations of CBD be the reason as to why sativa dominant strains are more energectic and uplifting?

Idk, I just find it difficult that THC alone can be responsible for the distinct differences when it comes to indica vs. Sativa. Though I know there are also different isomers at play when comes to THC and marijuana in general (THC-A?).

Could it be THC isomers or CBD at play when it comes to sativa strains? Or is more specific research needed perhaps?


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22183305 - 09/03/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Love how informative this thread has turned out to be btw, maybe the original OP's fuck up did have some benefit (no not talking about Pris 1, but whoever he was talking about in the original post in this thread).


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22183316 - 09/03/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hemp buds... pretty neat really




I know right? Growing up I always thought hemp did not have buds. Just a assumption I took a hold of. Then after using many CBD hemp products I wanted the actual hemp and I discovered hemp has buds.

They sell CBD wax made from hemp. Its like dabs. I want to try a BHO extraction or the other means as of when you take a hair straightener and wax paper. I feel like the hair straightener method is not going to work!

If the BHO method does not work, ill be left wondering.. how are they making this stuff!

I also have not a clue how they make infused hemp CBD herbs. Like they will take a herb (common herbal smoking plant materials) and they will infuse concentrated amounts of CBD into it. I'm assuming they are working with oil. Any one have any idea how they create this?


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22183576 - 09/03/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area.




DEA considers it a Schedule I substance. Whether you can find loopholes in the Controlled Substances Act is where the "grey area" is. I'd be curious if there are any data on prosecutions etc.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: badchad]
    #22183626 - 09/03/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area.




DEA considers it a Schedule I substance. Whether you can find loopholes in the Controlled Substances Act is where the "grey area" is. I'd be curious if there are any data on prosecutions etc.




If any thing they would probably be looking to catch the big fish. Like to take down the websites/ site owners. I have only ordered my related items on a popular auction website that most people use some times daily. I feel relatively safe about it. If one wanted to avoid it all together one could just order actual hemp and make the products them selfs.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22184048 - 09/03/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a qoute from another website if anyone get's their hands on any herb with CBD in it (you can't identify bud with cbd in it typically other then that it's fully matured...)

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So I read that cooking your weed for half an hour at 120C/250F
should decarboxylate 99% of your THC-A and 97% of your CBD-A
without causing significant degradation of THC due to heat (less than 2%).
So today I cooked up a couple of grams for an hour at this temperature.
And now I'm vaping the stuff through my PD.

The boiling points of the three cannabinoids measured are as follows:

THC 200 C
CBD 190 C
CBN 185 C

We can see from our before and after sample, that CBN is virtually all gone at setting 6, leaving
only residual amounts. The THC, however, all remains at this setting. As does the CBD.
At setting 7.5 the THC is fully de-carboxylated, but still present to roughly 95% of its original value.
Interestingly, at this setting the CBD is only half de-carboxylated.

At setting 9, all three are fully de-carboxylated and have moved to the vapor state.
A small amount of CBD remains as does some THC.




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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: badchad]
    #22184484 - 09/03/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I couldn't find any prosecutions when I searched a previous time this subject came up.



@Kay
Haven't all strains contained at least some CBD, and most other cannabinoids? :confused: Unless you meant very high CBD bud.

Those temps are off though. THC vaporizes at ~157*C, CBD at 160-180*C, and CBN at ~185*C. There are at least a couple of known cannabinoids that vaporize after THC, too: THCV at ~210*C, and CBC at ~220*C


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: DustBunny]
    #22184515 - 09/03/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bummer, my vape only goes up to 204 celsius. heard thcv is more psychoactive but i can only provide anecdotal reports i've heard from others.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: badchad]
    #22184534 - 09/03/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area.




DEA considers it a Schedule I substance. Whether you can find loopholes in the Controlled Substances Act is where the "grey area" is. I'd be curious if there are any data on prosecutions etc.





i've posted this before but one of the companies listed it on their site. The FDA considers hemp oil with less than .03 or .3  thc (cant remember which %) to be 'food grade'

they import processed hemp paste from other countries and further refine it.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: 404] * 1
    #22184633 - 09/03/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard the same, stronger/headier with less anxiety possibly more dopamine release. You could check out Extreme Q's if you're in the market for an awesomely cheap (<$150 shipped) new "desktop".

Fortunately and unfortunately, most strains/phenos don't contain much THCV anyways. I've read reports of dabbing isolated THCV two(?) years ago, though, so there must be some viable means of getting it.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22184710 - 09/03/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I live in Georgia btw, which recently passed a bill for CBD oil, but I honestly think the oil I got was a weaker version of the real thing.





I live in georgia as well, the CBD oil law states that it's prescription only and
currently it's not being prescribed because it's still in testing as per the bill

remember the headlines? MARIJUANA LEGAL IN GEORGIA!!!

I wonder how many people got busted because they thought weed was actually legal


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22184795 - 09/03/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -






hemp and all parts of the hemp plant are illegal in the US with the exception of
the seed as long as the seed has been sterilized and in order to grow in the US
for seed purposes a special occupational tax has to be paid which is around $250k
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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22184824 - 09/03/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/41401/fda-issues-warnings-to-makers-of-legal-cbd-hemp-oil-products/





for a pro-marijuana page that is a very well written article, it was very exact in
it's wording and in no way misleading like most articles such as the ones that lead
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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22184886 - 09/03/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you got sauce for that? because i've bought hemp products in america before. hemp oil, hemp seed, and hemp clothing. none of those with the exception of the seed you mentioned are illegal i dont think. to grow hemp in the us is illegal im pretty sure


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22184996 - 09/03/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -






hemp and all parts of the hemp plant are illegal in the US with the exception of
the seed as long as the seed has been sterilized and in order to grow in the US
for seed purposes a special occupational tax has to be paid which is around $250k
and the feds will be there frequently to monitor




I have read online that it is illegal to grow hemp, but hemp products are allowed if they meet a zero tolerance level -

"Hemp was made illegal to grow without a permit in the U.S. under the Controlled Substances Act passed in 1970 because of its relation to marijuana,[6] and any imported hemp products must meet a zero tolerance level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#United_States

Legal limits of THC in hemp/Legal hemp (not to grow) -
"hemp, as the modern usage of the word 'hemp' is reserved for plants that meet the legal requirement of containing 0.3% THC or less"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_oil

I'm not sure if you meant actual hemp plant material or not. These sources sound like are saying its legal (being a industrial hemp product with 0.3% or less THC).

If its illegal I would like to know actually so I'm not in a illegal possession of hemp plant material. I searched around and there seem's to be a lack of information.

Probably due to the fact that normal or most people do not smoke hemp. When I searched "Are hemp buds legal" I get no information, just sites trying to sell hemp related products or marijuana related stuff. When I search "Is hemp plant material legal", I get a bunch of information about marijuana and how industrial hemp is illegal to grow and what its used for. Wiki has no specific words on if hemp plant material is illegal or not other than the sources I have shown.

However I have found the above sources in relation to the subject so I have to stand by that unless shown otherwise.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22185041 - 09/03/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:

http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/41401/fda-issues-warnings-to-makers-of-legal-cbd-hemp-oil-products/





for a pro-marijuana page that is a very well written article, it was very exact in
it's wording and in no way misleading like most articles such as the ones that lead
people to believe that marijuana will cure cancer




With in regards to CBD derived from hemp related products you have to be very careful. The entire internet is just flooded with false claims. Many are just scam artist trying to make money by inflating a falseness with in the hype related to the subject! I have noticed youtube is filled with it. One can distinguish a real YouTuber's reviews from the rip off's.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22185123 - 09/03/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5-must-know-facts-cannabidiol-cbd/




There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area. I have also read that CBD does not get you high or does anything with in recreational means many times. The CBD products made from hemp seem to cause a effect tho, which leads me to believe its adulterated or other cannabinoids are responsible.




My gf noted a slight head change from the CBD product we got, granted, she does have anxiety issues so the head change might have been the feeling of her anxiety going away.

Also, I have heard that in lower doses CBD is more energetic but higher doses can be more sedating. What could be the culprit behind this occurrence?

I have to say, from my own experience I agree with the energetic / sedative capabilities of CBD. Could higher concentrations of CBD be the reason as to why sativa dominant strains are more energectic and uplifting?

Idk, I just find it difficult that THC alone can be responsible for the distinct differences when it comes to indica vs. Sativa. Though I know there are also different isomers at play when comes to THC and marijuana in general (THC-A?).

Could it be THC isomers or CBD at play when it comes to sativa strains? Or is more specific research needed perhaps?




I did not see your post earlier. I'm not to sure about all the reasons or differences. I do agree that CBD does have its affect. I strongly agree that the (with in stuff I have used) CBD from hemp takes away anxiety. I would like to call it amazing because its something so simple thats so helpful. It's a great characteristic of it. It makes me confident and well settled. It helps great with stress I feel very settled from it.

I have read online that CBD dominate strains (with in marijuana) cause a more less anxious experience and just over all a more relaxed time. If you visit medical marijuana related websites they will tell you all about that stuff.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22185483 - 09/03/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I live in Georgia btw, which recently passed a bill for CBD oil, but I honestly think the oil I got was a weaker version of the real thing.





I live in georgia as well, the CBD oil law states that it's prescription only and
currently it's not being prescribed because it's still in testing as per the bill

remember the headlines? MARIJUANA LEGAL IN GEORGIA!!!

I wonder how many people got busted because they thought weed was actually legal




Right? All the rednecks here where I live were like " I can't get in trouble now for weed, it's legal", ignorant fucks, lol.

There own stupidity. Ya, the actual CBD oil is script only, what's going around at herb shops ( not head shops) is hemp oil "fortified w/ CBD oil" but on the label it says CBD Oil. However, on closer inspection its clear its just hemp oil enhanced with probably a small amount of actual CBD. Sneaky assholes, lol, but you gotta pay attention to what you buy.

You know where Rome is Prisoner #1? I picked up the "CBD Oil" at an herb shop in that area.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22185590 - 09/03/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I grew a cbd plant with half and half

it got me high as fuck, but blunts seemed to get me less high

I haven't smoked in almost a week tho which is fucking insane but I don't work nemore so


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22192160 - 09/05/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -






hemp and all parts of the hemp plant are illegal in the US with the exception of
the seed as long as the seed has been sterilized and in order to grow in the US
for seed purposes a special occupational tax has to be paid which is around $250k
and the feds will be there frequently to monitor




I'm going to have to agree with you on this to the extent of the gray area. Or if somethings in the gray area means it's illegal then I completely agree.

It's crazy but last night I laid down in bed.. I was thinking of hemp.. Then I thought.. hemp has CBD in it.. CBD is in the gray area or is considered illegal. That would mean hemp is illegal or in the gray area.


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    #22870138 - 02/06/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Ordered some 5% CBD oil made of hemp today from a dutch website
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    #24403910 - 06/13/17 11:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

:bumpthread:

So there's this place not too far from here that sells pure CBD oil

It's not a head shop -- it's one of these wellness type clinics

I think I'm gonna pickup a vial of it

Never tried CBD oil before. Heard it can be really good as far as calming and anti-anxiety affects go


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    #24468240 - 07/08/17 05:46 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

So that place I mentioned 24 days ago (in the post right before this one)...I finally got around to picking up a vial. Some chick from Oregon who moved down here. She was really cool. Her dream is to open up a true dispensary right here in Dallas. Anyway I'll post back and let y'all know how this CBD results.


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    #24468273 - 07/08/17 06:00 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

but when? Not another 24 days I hope!


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    #24468278 - 07/08/17 06:04 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I lold.

Nifflas gonna be too high to post anything until another month.

I want a full cbd trip report.


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    #24468379 - 07/08/17 06:50 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Never tried CBD oil before. Heard it can be really good as far as calming and anti-anxiety affects go




I just watched this short clip.



A reporter with no tolerance, inhales two huge vaped bagfuls of some high grade "skunk" and 'whiteys' out.
I'm pretty sure I'd do the same these days if I toked like that.

Any of you medical marijuana users ever shared with a friend that has no tolerance, and have them have this reaction, and, do you think that CBD would, to some extent, act as an antidote  for this condition?


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but when? Not another 24 days I hope!



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I lold.

Nifflas gonna be too high to post anything until another month.





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Never tried CBD oil before. Heard it can be really good as far as calming and anti-anxiety affects go




I just watched this short clip.



A reporter with no tolerance, inhales two huge vaped bagfuls of some high grade "skunk" and 'whiteys' out.
I'm pretty sure I'd do the same these days if I toked like that.

Any of you medical marijuana users ever shared with a friend that has no tolerance, and have them have this reaction, and, do you think that CBD would, to some extent, act as an antidote  for this condition?




I heard that it counters it and brings you down a level. We'll see. I'll report back. I swear.


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    #24469216 - 07/09/17 02:24 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Niffla+1 said:

Never tried CBD oil before. Heard it can be really good as far as calming and anti-anxiety affects go




I just watched this short clip.



A reporter with no tolerance, inhales two huge vaped bagfuls of some high grade "skunk" and 'whiteys' out.
I'm pretty sure I'd do the same these days if I toked like that.

Any of you medical marijuana users ever shared with a friend that has no tolerance, and have them have this reaction, and, do you think that CBD would, to some extent, act as an antidote  for this condition?




I heard that it counters it and brings you down a level. We'll see. I'll report back. I swear.




Please do. In the meantime, as you're going to be incapacitated for a month, ya freaking pot head, :wink: Maybe we can continue in this thread until you...recover. :grin:

There must be plenty out there using high concentrates that have shared with novice users -it may be controversial here, but It seems to me, that giving someone who has no tolerance to THC a toke on some high grade wax, bubble hash etc, is tantamount to slipping them a 'micky finn' or a 'roofie' considering how incapcitated this could make them -I'm sure in these 'day's of the troll' this has been done intentionally by some people just for the 'shits and giggles'.

Do some of you keep on hand a high CBD vape pen or some such, in case of inadvertantly causing this to the unsuspecting?
If so, did it work as an antidote?


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