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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183287 - 09/03/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hemp buds... pretty neat really


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22183302 - 09/03/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5-must-know-facts-cannabidiol-cbd/




There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area. I have also read that CBD does not get you high or does anything with in recreational means many times. The CBD products made from hemp seem to cause a effect tho, which leads me to believe its adulterated or other cannabinoids are responsible.




My gf noted a slight head change from the CBD product we got, granted, she does have anxiety issues so the head change might have been the feeling of her anxiety going away.

Also, I have heard that in lower doses CBD is more energetic but higher doses can be more sedating. What could be the culprit behind this occurrence?

I have to say, from my own experience I agree with the energetic / sedative capabilities of CBD. Could higher concentrations of CBD be the reason as to why sativa dominant strains are more energectic and uplifting?

Idk, I just find it difficult that THC alone can be responsible for the distinct differences when it comes to indica vs. Sativa. Though I know there are also different isomers at play when comes to THC and marijuana in general (THC-A?).

Could it be THC isomers or CBD at play when it comes to sativa strains? Or is more specific research needed perhaps?


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22183305 - 09/03/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Love how informative this thread has turned out to be btw, maybe the original OP's fuck up did have some benefit (no not talking about Pris 1, but whoever he was talking about in the original post in this thread).


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22183316 - 09/03/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Oeric McKenna said:
Hemp buds... pretty neat really




I know right? Growing up I always thought hemp did not have buds. Just a assumption I took a hold of. Then after using many CBD hemp products I wanted the actual hemp and I discovered hemp has buds.

They sell CBD wax made from hemp. Its like dabs. I want to try a BHO extraction or the other means as of when you take a hair straightener and wax paper. I feel like the hair straightener method is not going to work!

If the BHO method does not work, ill be left wondering.. how are they making this stuff!

I also have not a clue how they make infused hemp CBD herbs. Like they will take a herb (common herbal smoking plant materials) and they will infuse concentrated amounts of CBD into it. I'm assuming they are working with oil. Any one have any idea how they create this?


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22183576 - 09/03/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:

There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area.




DEA considers it a Schedule I substance. Whether you can find loopholes in the Controlled Substances Act is where the "grey area" is. I'd be curious if there are any data on prosecutions etc.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: badchad]
    #22183626 - 09/03/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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badchad said:
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Dr.Wongburger said:

There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area.




DEA considers it a Schedule I substance. Whether you can find loopholes in the Controlled Substances Act is where the "grey area" is. I'd be curious if there are any data on prosecutions etc.




If any thing they would probably be looking to catch the big fish. Like to take down the websites/ site owners. I have only ordered my related items on a popular auction website that most people use some times daily. I feel relatively safe about it. If one wanted to avoid it all together one could just order actual hemp and make the products them selfs.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22184048 - 09/03/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a qoute from another website if anyone get's their hands on any herb with CBD in it (you can't identify bud with cbd in it typically other then that it's fully matured...)

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So I read that cooking your weed for half an hour at 120C/250F
should decarboxylate 99% of your THC-A and 97% of your CBD-A
without causing significant degradation of THC due to heat (less than 2%).
So today I cooked up a couple of grams for an hour at this temperature.
And now I'm vaping the stuff through my PD.

The boiling points of the three cannabinoids measured are as follows:

THC 200 C
CBD 190 C
CBN 185 C

We can see from our before and after sample, that CBN is virtually all gone at setting 6, leaving
only residual amounts. The THC, however, all remains at this setting. As does the CBD.
At setting 7.5 the THC is fully de-carboxylated, but still present to roughly 95% of its original value.
Interestingly, at this setting the CBD is only half de-carboxylated.

At setting 9, all three are fully de-carboxylated and have moved to the vapor state.
A small amount of CBD remains as does some THC.




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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: badchad]
    #22184484 - 09/03/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I couldn't find any prosecutions when I searched a previous time this subject came up.



@Kay
Haven't all strains contained at least some CBD, and most other cannabinoids? :confused: Unless you meant very high CBD bud.

Those temps are off though. THC vaporizes at ~157*C, CBD at 160-180*C, and CBN at ~185*C. There are at least a couple of known cannabinoids that vaporize after THC, too: THCV at ~210*C, and CBC at ~220*C


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: DustBunny]
    #22184515 - 09/03/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bummer, my vape only goes up to 204 celsius. heard thcv is more psychoactive but i can only provide anecdotal reports i've heard from others.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: badchad]
    #22184534 - 09/03/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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badchad said:
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Dr.Wongburger said:

There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area.




DEA considers it a Schedule I substance. Whether you can find loopholes in the Controlled Substances Act is where the "grey area" is. I'd be curious if there are any data on prosecutions etc.





i've posted this before but one of the companies listed it on their site. The FDA considers hemp oil with less than .03 or .3  thc (cant remember which %) to be 'food grade'

they import processed hemp paste from other countries and further refine it.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: 404] * 1
    #22184633 - 09/03/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard the same, stronger/headier with less anxiety possibly more dopamine release. You could check out Extreme Q's if you're in the market for an awesomely cheap (<$150 shipped) new "desktop".

Fortunately and unfortunately, most strains/phenos don't contain much THCV anyways. I've read reports of dabbing isolated THCV two(?) years ago, though, so there must be some viable means of getting it.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22184710 - 09/03/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I live in Georgia btw, which recently passed a bill for CBD oil, but I honestly think the oil I got was a weaker version of the real thing.





I live in georgia as well, the CBD oil law states that it's prescription only and
currently it's not being prescribed because it's still in testing as per the bill

remember the headlines? MARIJUANA LEGAL IN GEORGIA!!!

I wonder how many people got busted because they thought weed was actually legal


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22184795 - 09/03/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:
Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -






hemp and all parts of the hemp plant are illegal in the US with the exception of
the seed as long as the seed has been sterilized and in order to grow in the US
for seed purposes a special occupational tax has to be paid which is around $250k
and the feds will be there frequently to monitor


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22184824 - 09/03/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:

http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/41401/fda-issues-warnings-to-makers-of-legal-cbd-hemp-oil-products/





for a pro-marijuana page that is a very well written article, it was very exact in
it's wording and in no way misleading like most articles such as the ones that lead
people to believe that marijuana will cure cancer


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22184886 - 09/03/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you got sauce for that? because i've bought hemp products in america before. hemp oil, hemp seed, and hemp clothing. none of those with the exception of the seed you mentioned are illegal i dont think. to grow hemp in the us is illegal im pretty sure


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22184996 - 09/03/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Dr.Wongburger said:
Hemp has CBD in it. Very little. Wiki says -






hemp and all parts of the hemp plant are illegal in the US with the exception of
the seed as long as the seed has been sterilized and in order to grow in the US
for seed purposes a special occupational tax has to be paid which is around $250k
and the feds will be there frequently to monitor




I have read online that it is illegal to grow hemp, but hemp products are allowed if they meet a zero tolerance level -

"Hemp was made illegal to grow without a permit in the U.S. under the Controlled Substances Act passed in 1970 because of its relation to marijuana,[6] and any imported hemp products must meet a zero tolerance level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#United_States

Legal limits of THC in hemp/Legal hemp (not to grow) -
"hemp, as the modern usage of the word 'hemp' is reserved for plants that meet the legal requirement of containing 0.3% THC or less"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_oil

I'm not sure if you meant actual hemp plant material or not. These sources sound like are saying its legal (being a industrial hemp product with 0.3% or less THC).

If its illegal I would like to know actually so I'm not in a illegal possession of hemp plant material. I searched around and there seem's to be a lack of information.

Probably due to the fact that normal or most people do not smoke hemp. When I searched "Are hemp buds legal" I get no information, just sites trying to sell hemp related products or marijuana related stuff. When I search "Is hemp plant material legal", I get a bunch of information about marijuana and how industrial hemp is illegal to grow and what its used for. Wiki has no specific words on if hemp plant material is illegal or not other than the sources I have shown.

However I have found the above sources in relation to the subject so I have to stand by that unless shown otherwise.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22185041 - 09/03/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Dr.Wongburger said:

http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/41401/fda-issues-warnings-to-makers-of-legal-cbd-hemp-oil-products/





for a pro-marijuana page that is a very well written article, it was very exact in
it's wording and in no way misleading like most articles such as the ones that lead
people to believe that marijuana will cure cancer




With in regards to CBD derived from hemp related products you have to be very careful. The entire internet is just flooded with false claims. Many are just scam artist trying to make money by inflating a falseness with in the hype related to the subject! I have noticed youtube is filled with it. One can distinguish a real YouTuber's reviews from the rip off's.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22185123 - 09/03/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pariahprose said:
Quote:

Dr.Wongburger said:
Quote:

Konyap said:
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/23/5-must-know-facts-cannabidiol-cbd/




There's so many websites selling CBD made from hemp its crazy if its truly illegal. I guess thats that gray area. I have also read that CBD does not get you high or does anything with in recreational means many times. The CBD products made from hemp seem to cause a effect tho, which leads me to believe its adulterated or other cannabinoids are responsible.




My gf noted a slight head change from the CBD product we got, granted, she does have anxiety issues so the head change might have been the feeling of her anxiety going away.

Also, I have heard that in lower doses CBD is more energetic but higher doses can be more sedating. What could be the culprit behind this occurrence?

I have to say, from my own experience I agree with the energetic / sedative capabilities of CBD. Could higher concentrations of CBD be the reason as to why sativa dominant strains are more energectic and uplifting?

Idk, I just find it difficult that THC alone can be responsible for the distinct differences when it comes to indica vs. Sativa. Though I know there are also different isomers at play when comes to THC and marijuana in general (THC-A?).

Could it be THC isomers or CBD at play when it comes to sativa strains? Or is more specific research needed perhaps?




I did not see your post earlier. I'm not to sure about all the reasons or differences. I do agree that CBD does have its affect. I strongly agree that the (with in stuff I have used) CBD from hemp takes away anxiety. I would like to call it amazing because its something so simple thats so helpful. It's a great characteristic of it. It makes me confident and well settled. It helps great with stress I feel very settled from it.

I have read online that CBD dominate strains (with in marijuana) cause a more less anxious experience and just over all a more relaxed time. If you visit medical marijuana related websites they will tell you all about that stuff.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22185483 - 09/03/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pariahprose said:
I live in Georgia btw, which recently passed a bill for CBD oil, but I honestly think the oil I got was a weaker version of the real thing.





I live in georgia as well, the CBD oil law states that it's prescription only and
currently it's not being prescribed because it's still in testing as per the bill

remember the headlines? MARIJUANA LEGAL IN GEORGIA!!!

I wonder how many people got busted because they thought weed was actually legal




Right? All the rednecks here where I live were like " I can't get in trouble now for weed, it's legal", ignorant fucks, lol.

There own stupidity. Ya, the actual CBD oil is script only, what's going around at herb shops ( not head shops) is hemp oil "fortified w/ CBD oil" but on the label it says CBD Oil. However, on closer inspection its clear its just hemp oil enhanced with probably a small amount of actual CBD. Sneaky assholes, lol, but you gotta pay attention to what you buy.

You know where Rome is Prisoner #1? I picked up the "CBD Oil" at an herb shop in that area.


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Re: the thread about CBD oil [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22185590 - 09/03/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I grew a cbd plant with half and half

it got me high as fuck, but blunts seemed to get me less high

I haven't smoked in almost a week tho which is fucking insane but I don't work nemore so


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