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prayer vs. counseling
    #2218222 - 01/04/04 12:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

my friend, fireworks_god made a post some time ago about how our brains are computers, holding programs and information, etc., and we were talking about this today. i dont know much about computers, but i know they can catch viruses sometimes. if you infect enough sectors with the virus, (if it is harmful enough) and the computer will crash, leaving you with nothing...

if your computer is infected with a virus, you really have only a few options: take it to a specialist for repairs, or try to fix it yourself, with maybe some advice from a friend, or what you know about computers. see where im heading with this?

what if we have a program, lets call it... "love", that suddenly becomes infected with a virus? (i.e. fighting, or a loved one leaving you) which do you think would be better? trying to fix the "computer" yourself, with help from a friend; or taking it to a specialist?

id like to know how everyone else feels about this, if anyone can make sense out of it, besides me that is.....

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Re: prayer vs. counseling [Re: skoomaguitarist]
    #2218446 - 01/04/04 03:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone is different in how they handle their problems. I know some people who are pretty smart and can figure out their problem and resolve it, without going to anyone else for feedback or advice.

I can't usually figure things out by myself, because I get too many thoughts going on a subject, so I have to talk to someone who can help me sort out my thoughts, and sometimes I'll even talk to several people, to make sure that I'm getting sufficient feedback to make a decision.

Sometimes, an issue might be serious enough, or repetitive enough, that one might want to see a counselor. Sometimes we act out in relationships based on things that happened to us in our childhood, and we need a professional to help us get sorted out.

The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: prayer vs. counseling [Re: skoomaguitarist]
    #2218632 - 01/04/04 04:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I happen to be a clinical counselor who practices psychotherapy and hypnotherapy. I have specialized in certain areas of both, like, I've had extensive training and personal experience in Jungian analysis and in pastoral counseling; and, I treat certain things hypnotically, but refuse to treat other things. Some types of sexual dysfunction I am competant to treat, but others require the specialized training of a Certified Sex Educator, Counselor and Therapist, and it would not be ethical or legal for me to take on certain clients.

So, it is important for everyone to know his/her limitations. When I went through a painful divorce after being married for 13 out of 39 years of my life, I did the best I could with my problems, but sought group counseling for separated/divorced people, spoke to counselor/therapist friends, and pretty much spoke to anyone who would listen. It still took me over 2 years to recover from shock and pain with all of these available interventions.

More generally, I'm pretty good with my hands, but there again, I know my limitations. I can hook up the water supply to my refridgerator and dishwasher; wire the attic for new lighting, or add outlet boxes, but I'm not able to install new central air conditioning. Neither am I able to do my own dentistry or surgery. Mental health and spiritual health sometimes require that we seek assistance from specialists if we want to get the job done right.

γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: prayer vs. counseling [Re: skoomaguitarist]
    #2218880 - 01/04/04 07:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like the guy who has done the do it yourself, but he was really messed up and didnt know what he was doing, so when the house got finished it was all thrashed looking. I guess thats how its been for me trying to fix my own problems. I wish i could still go see a counselor, maybe have someone show me my life again, it seems like im seperated from it, and im just an extension of something else.

What do you mean by prayer in regards to "healing", is that the "do it yourself?"


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Re: prayer vs. counseling [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2218973 - 01/04/04 08:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

yes, i believe i would consider prayer a do it yourself fix, so to speak

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