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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22196797 - 09/06/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, it's only implied if you think that your off-topic tangent about Chomsky has become the topic and that any response is about your new topic.
Whenever someone cites Chomsky as an authority on politics, I consider that the fallacy of appeal to false authority. That doesn't mean he's right or he's wrong on any given topic...it just means that I question the validity of using him as an authority on the topic. That is not an ad hominem.
Still, I didn't even do that in your quoted post. I just pointed out that the man is an idiot who should stick to what he's good at.
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: Enlil]
#22196860 - 09/06/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll give you the argument from false authority assumption. I do like Chomsky as a critic of U.S. politics but I wasn't intending to use him as though it was gospel. I just wanted to demonstrate that yes, some people do see Obama as a centrist.
On that note I apologize for misrepresenting your position Enlil. I wanted an example I could use that wouldn't throw up Stoney's defenses and who better to pick on than a mod 
And now I'll shut up on this since once again I'm arguing with Stoney about offtopic shit.
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#22196992 - 09/06/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the fact remains calling someone fucking crazy is a personal attack and an ad hominem which woof claims to be against but does it all the time. Not all of your wordage or attempts to deflect the subject change that fact.
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: Enlil]
#22197683 - 09/06/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Actually, it's only implied if you think that your off-topic tangent about Chomsky has become the topic and that any response is about your new topic.
Whenever someone cites Chomsky as an authority on politics, I consider that the fallacy of appeal to false authority. That doesn't mean he's right or he's wrong on any given topic...it just means that I question the validity of using him as an authority on the topic. That is not an ad hominem.
Still, I didn't even do that in your quoted post. I just pointed out that the man is an idiot who should stick to what he's good at.
Quoting Chomsky isn't an appeal to authority. He wasn't saying that it was true because Chomsky said it, he was offering Chomsky's opinion.
Also, one can only assume that ppw's tangent post was the topic of your post, because you carried on with the tangent. Was that just a coincidental random post about Chomsky?
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22197691 - 09/06/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the fact remains calling someone fucking crazy is a personal attack and an ad hominem which woof claims to be against but does it all the time. Not all of your wordage or attempts to deflect the subject change that fact.
Simply calling someone crazy is not a fucking ad hominem.
An ad hominem would be if I said, 'you're crazy, and therefore wrong'.
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22197798 - 09/06/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quoting Chomsky isn't an appeal to authority. He wasn't saying that it was true because Chomsky said it, he was offering Chomsky's opinion.
Yeah, he was saying it's true because Chomsky said it. Specifically, he was offering Chomsky's explanation, which is adopting Chomsky's position and ratifying his argument. I doubt that PBW would argue otherwise.
Also, appeal to authority isn't fallacious if the person actually is an authority. Appeal to false authority is. My position is that Chomsky's authority on political theory is unsubstantiated.
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22197800 - 09/06/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wrong again, woof. So I can call you crazy anytime I want and its ok? You are you know. I just won't reply anymore.
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Re: If you are against Crony Capitalism, here is why we need to stop the flow of tax money to DC.... [Re: Stonehenge]
#22198143 - 09/06/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Wrong again, woof. So I can call you crazy anytime I want and its ok? You are you know. I just won't reply anymore.
I may or may not be crazy, though I will say I chose my avatar carefully 
However, a fact is a fact, and a logical fallacy can only exist if you are attempting to prove a point.
For instance, you can call me crazy, but that is the point you are trying to make. If you support that statement with something unrelated like, 'because you're a jive ass cracka', the evidence of your claim is not the result of logical thinking processes (being a jive ass cracka and crazy are not mutually inclusive), and therefore a fallacious argument, though your claim may still be true.
I guess ppw probably had better examples, but I like saying 'jive ass cracka'.
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