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Offlinehex_enduction
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How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics?
    #22180815 - 09/02/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First off, I apologize if this is in the wrong forum and I'd appreciate it if a mod could move it to the right place.

Anyway, my girlfriend and I have tripped together a couple times, but both times the doses were low (1.5g of shrooms and 1 weak tab of acid respectively) and she left the experience underwhelmed. Now she has zero interest in psychedelics and has completely dismissed the idea of ever taking them again. This isn't surprising as she was terrified of psychedelics to begin with and I figured that she would probably never take them again unless she had an amazing experience, which I had hoped for.

This is frustrating to me for a few reasons. First, I'm an enthusiastic psychedelic user and I have such an amazing time on them that I'd love to share it with the girl I love, especially since I felt such an amazing connection with her that I'd never felt before the first time I ever tripped with her (on some 4-AcO-DMT, she was sober). It's just so frustrating that she's forgoing so many amazing experiences just because of closed-mindedness.

Next and more importantly, she and I both suffer from some pretty poor mental health, in her case, she has severe death-related anxiety and depression, and I feel like psychedelics could really help her break out of some of her destructive thought patterns. Psychedelics have personally done a lot of good for me, and she seems to have completely written off the possibility that they could help because she had an underwhelming experience the last time and thinks that tripping "isn't worth all the anxiety".

Is there any way I could convince her to come around? It seems she has a skewed view of what tripping is supposed to be. For example, she told me she's terrified of the idea because it involves being "completely out of your mind for 5-8 hours", that "there's too much pressure to have a realization or epiphany or some shit", and that she "already feels too much", making a drug that increases empathy sound overwhelming. Is there any way I can convince her to drop her prejudices? She's pretty stubborn when it comes to her beliefs and I can't think of any way to persuade her besides attempting to accurately describe the psychedelic experience to her. I could always show her some of the medical data, but I'm sure that would be no good because she's convinced she legitimately knows all that the psychedelic experience has to offer.

I am planning on starting a mushroom grow very soon (might buy the supplies Friday) so I'll probably have a surplus of shrooms on hand pretty regularly. That should at least provide more opportunities for her and I to have a spontaneous trip or something.

Anyway, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! :peace:


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oh ive cried on drugs

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Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #22180932 - 09/02/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know man my girl is the exact same way. She took mushrooms and acid once or twice with me, but she just doesn't get what all the fuss is about and thinks drugs just dumb you down.

It's not for everyone man, if she feels she shouldn't attempt again because the anxiety is not worth it then she probably shouldn't.


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22180962 - 09/02/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know man my girl is the exact same way. She took mushrooms and acid once or twice with me, but she just doesn't get what all the fuss is about and thinks drugs just dumb you down.

It's not for everyone man, if she feels she shouldn't attempt again because the anxiety is not worth it then she probably shouldn't.



This is probably the right answer. Regardless, I'd be curious to know if anyone has successfully eased someone's apprehensions and helped them get into psychedelics. My girl at least realizes that there's potential out there for other people, but doesn't seem to think psychedelics are worthwhile for her :shrug:


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oh ive cried on drugs

sunshine said:
Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22180995 - 09/02/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly not everybody who could benefit from psychedelics is willing to put on their big girl pants and step up to the plate.  You can't force somebody with the fear to overcome their fear.  My wife could seriously benefit from a healthy dose, she has major fear of death and anxiety that I know could be abated through that cosmic union state of acceptance that comes with heroic doses.  However, after 5 years of tripping together, she still won't do more than dip her toes in the water and splash around in the kiddie pool.   

I'd say ask your girl to approach it as a bonding experience, get her some benzos, let her take a low dose, smooth her anxiety about tripping and get all lovey dovey and intimate with her.  You can take whatever dose you want, and let her dose as she wants.  Or just have her sit you and trip while you're with her.  That's what I do with my wife and it works.  She doesn't want to trip hard, she freaks the fuck out if she tries and we have had plenty of really nice bonding experiences with her taking her candy-ass low doses where she's barely at threshold and I take a mid to high social dose. 

Explain that the drugs are important and holy to you and explain what you get out of them, write some trip reports and have her read them.  My wife gets my tripping, accepts it and encourages it, but she doesn't want to have the veil ripped off her eyes and see the dancing fire. 

It's cool man, a lot of chicks don't go for that sort of thing.  Most of the big heads I know are male, just look at how skewed the gender balance is on the shroomery.  Accept what she wants and she'll be more prepared to accept what you want.     

You will probably never get her to take an entheogenic dose and face her fear of death, not everybody is equipped to see the face of God, and most people would rather live in their comfortable little delusion and ignore the truth.  If you get her to slowly get used to the experience, get more comfortable with things, maybe she'll get to a point in a few years where she feels like it's time to let shit get real.  But don't hold your breath on that one, don't force it, and don't think she's lame just because she's not as in to psychedelics as you.  You'll be hard pressed to find a woman who can take a man's dose and face it with the warrior spirit.  I'm sure they're out there, but they're rare. :shrug:


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22181069 - 09/02/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you can get her to read the doors of perception...

Some people just don't get it/aren't open to it. Not worth trying to get them to try it like an  evangelist...not everybody needs it. (I've also tried to convince people of this, I can relate)


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22181529 - 09/03/15 01:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did not read op but..

Quit trying to make your girl "open up" to drugs maybe?

Seriously though....


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Quit The Cult]
    #22181938 - 09/03/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the awesome advice, never woulda thought of that on my own :rolleyes: Not trying to make anyone do shit


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oh ive cried on drugs

sunshine said:
Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


Edited by hex_enduction (09/03/15 07:42 AM)


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #22182433 - 09/03/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the awesome advice, never woulda thought of that on my own :rolleyes: Not trying to make anyone do shit



but you are dedicating a fair amount of effort to convince somebody to do something they don't want to do. Especially when the something is psychedelics. I don't care how magical and therapeutic they are for us, they're simply not for everybody, and can do more harm than good in some cases.

"There is no panacea for the human condition, in fact, nothing short of everything will really do. Psychedelics are merely gratuitous graces."
-Aldous Huxley (end is paraphrased.)

I've been in the exact same situation and spent a lot of time trying to convince people to try psychedelics, so trust me, you'r only making yourself look delusional/preachy. Drugs are not the only way to help your girl with neurosis or help you connect deeper. Everything (mostly) you see in the psychedelic state of mind is possible in everyday consciousness, it just takes careful thinking and a little effort


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22182469 - 09/03/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Tell her that you are filled with such an intense love for LSD that you want to share it with her, and you think its a shame she would never get to experience what you experience.
Aw yeahhh


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: hex_enduction]
    #22182564 - 09/03/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quit trying to sell her something she doesn't want. Instead, act like you know where something really precious is hidden but are extremely reluctant to talk about it or to tip off others as to the location. Never mention tripping to her again--but from time to time let her see how good it makes you feel and how much good it has done and is doing you.

In short, sometimes the best way to sell something is to undersell it.


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: champinhom]
    #22182822 - 09/03/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Remember: don't push. You were not pushed. If she is, and you do trip together, then there is a difference between your experiences, see? Then there are two people tripping one of whom was pushed while the other was not. That means distance.

If you really love her, trust her judgment.

What you can do is give her positive examples. I think it's great if she let's you trip without feeling bad about that herself. This means that she accepts you. Now accept her too. This will make her trust you more, and after seeing you trip more often she may change her mind.


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Hanz]
    #22183399 - 09/03/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Some people just don't get it. Although, my girlfriend was really closed minded about psychedelics but tried them because she knows how much I love them. We each took two tabs of some fire WoW and had our minds blown. She's wanted to do it again ever since.

Honestly I can see why people are turned off after lose dose trips. Its kinda just like "meh"

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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183423 - 09/03/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

in my opinion, taking those substance is first a personnal choice .... 2 second your own decision......

nobody have to invit you to try this or this shit....

its a choice, its a own decision .....

encouraging your gf to take shiet ? wtf man.......

its like am encouraging your brother to smoke spot, well its fine its natural !! buhahahahha ..........

what a joke..


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: micropoint]
    #22183428 - 09/03/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Even if your peer pressured its still a "personal choice" correct?

You CHOSE to give into the pressure


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183442 - 09/03/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Low doses are meh? I get surprisingly strong experiences at .5 grams to a gram. :shrug:

I guess I know what I'm looking for though, for a noobie I could see them not realizing they're high


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22183444 - 09/03/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah they just make me uncomfortable and anxious


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22183585 - 09/03/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Psychs aren't for everyone. If she doesn't like a low dose of shrooms then maybe it's not for her.

If she has poor mental health maybe it not a good idea to begin with


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Shining Cosmos] * 1
    #22183710 - 09/03/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not everyone has the explorers spirit, wanderlust or whatever you want to call it that drives many people towards psychedelics without anyone "encouraging" them
Its especially rare to find in women ime

The first times doing shrooms i was nervous and didnt know what to expect at all and for safety i started low with maybe 1g of some random MS grow
I remember mostly uncomfortable body load and hugging the toilet more than once, anyone watching me would think twice about partaking
For me, just being able to experience something new was reason enough to go back there, gradually upping the dose, but you just need to look around to see that most people dont work that way

Id think you would have had better results starting someone off with a higher dose, but then again that would be pretty irresponsible


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: hex_enduction] * 1
    #22183753 - 09/03/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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hex_enduction said:
Thanks for the awesome advice, never woulda thought of that on my own :rolleyes: Not trying to make anyone do shit



Yeah im pretty sure you ARE trying to make someone do drugs. Are you even reading what you are typing?

Clearly your girl doesnt want to do psychedelics. And clearly you want to convince her otherwise. Am i missing something?


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Re: How can I encourage my girlfriend to open up to psychedelics? [Re: Quit The Cult] * 1
    #22183778 - 09/03/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The best way is probably to never ever push her or pressure her on the subject. Don't obsess over it either. Only speak about personal experiences when it is appropriate. Never make them out to be the holy grail. People don't respond well to that. Then maybe one day, when she sees that you are fully functional and don't get dumbed down, she'll be interested to see what they are about. It has to come from within herself though. You can't force it. That will just be counter productive.


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