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thelastoneleft
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Owsley Stanley
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I believe Stanley quoted that Lsd was just a drug. He took it for his own reasons, he noted everyone that took the trip was becoming enlightened, or what not. Owsley, was a genius, I often contemplate whether how intelligent the average trippers are and how it effect their perception to tripping. As I have seen more and more with weed being very prevalent, younger people continue to think their enlightened or on a spiritual path. I guess to each his or her own, seems like this present generation trips once or smokes weed daily and thinks their Buddha. It only get on my nerves that the complexity and knowledge you need to have to understand certain spiritual religion or practices takes a long time to gain.
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What is this post about exactly? Are you trying to say that psychedelics are just another drug, or that people falsely believe they are enlightened?
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Yeah, my generation definitely has its fair share of fucking idiots who think their third eyes are open and their chakras are cleansed because they blaze and eat mushrooms sometimes. LSD is just a drug, but that doesn't mean people can't have spiritual experiences on it. Of course, it is fallacious to assume that psychedelics are inherently spiritual.
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LSD is great and can lead to awakenings but I prefer the tryptamine for that kind of stuff.

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Achillita said: What is this post about exactly? Are you trying to say that psychedelics are just another drug, or that people falsely believe they are enlightened?
I am stating that Lsd is a man made drug, and the man who is responsible for making and distributing a large majority of the substance at its purest quality never related it to any spiritual movement or the "enlightenment", which many equate to this drug during the 60's 70's. Psychedelics are not just another drug in a sense, they are far different from the drugs which most people use.
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I've never had a spiritual feeling on LSD, but I have felt enlightened. Seeing through the common stuff you miss is something LSD is great for.
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hex_enduction said: Yeah, my generation definitely has its fair share of fucking idiots who think their third eyes are open and their chakras are cleansed because they blaze and eat mushrooms sometimes. LSD is just a drug, but that doesn't mean people can't have spiritual experiences on it. Of course, it is fallacious to assume that psychedelics are inherently spiritual.
It might be due to the fact that psychedelics show you a world which is not possible to live in. I guess I only recent the fact that I have been there, done that, and seen it through. The majority of young or new users of psychedelics don't exactly have the experience. They take one trip or one event and blow it out of proportion. Then again I am just a thinker.
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You have to live it you cant fake it you gotta see how they are living. If they are talking the talk they should be walking the walk. Psychedelics can coach your brain into a more zen style of living but you've got to apply that once your down.
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Psychonauttydread said: You have to live it you cant fake it you gotta see how they are living. If they are talking the talk they should be walking the walk. Psychedelics can coach your brain into a more zen style of living but you've got to apply that once your down.
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Psychonauttydread said: You have to live it you cant fake it you gotta see how they are living. If they are talking the talk they should be walking the walk. Psychedelics can coach your brain into a more zen style of living but you've got to apply that once your down.
Emptiness is form, form is emptiness.
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So i understand. Getting back to you. Now what? Why need get back?
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hex_enduction said: Yeah, my generation definitely has its fair share of fucking idiots who think their third eyes are open and their chakras are cleansed because they blaze and eat mushrooms sometimes. LSD is just a drug, but that doesn't mean people can't have spiritual experiences on it. Of course, it is fallacious to assume that psychedelics are inherently spiritual.
It might be due to the fact that psychedelics show you a world which is not possible to live in. I guess I only recent the fact that I have been there, done that, and seen it through. The majority of young or new users of psychedelics don't exactly have the experience. They take one trip or one event and blow it out of proportion. Then again I am just a thinker.
You can live in it. Non-duality, vedic ideas, and taoist ideas go hand and hand with psychedelics it's amazing once you find it. The world begins to transform without you doing anything.
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I have heard of letting the world be, and exercising forbearance; I have not heard of governing the world. Letting be is from the fear that men, (when interfered with), will carry their nature beyond its normal condition; exercising forbearance is from the fear that men, (when not so dealt with), will alter the characteristics of their nature. When all men do not carry their nature beyond its normal condition, nor alter its characteristics, the good government of the world is secured.
Formerly, Yâo's government of the world made men look joyful; but when they have this joy in their nature, there is a want of its (proper) placidity. The government of the world by Kieh, (on the contrary), made men look distressed; but when their nature shows the symptoms of distress, there is a want of its (proper) contentment.
The want of placidity and the want of contentment are contrary to the character (of the nature); and where this obtains, it is impossible that any man or state should anywhere abide long. Are men exceedingly joyful?-- the Yang or element of expansion in them is too much developed. Are they exceedingly irritated?
the Yin or opposite element is too much developed. When those elements thus predominate in men, (it is as if) the four seasons were not to come (at their proper times), and the harmony of cold and heat were not to be maintained;-- would there not result injury to the bodies of men?
Men's joy and dissatisfaction are made to arise where they ought not to do so; their movements are all uncertain; they lose the mastery of their thoughts; they stop short midway, and do not finish what they have begun. In this state of things the world begins to have lofty aims, and jealous dislikes, ambitious courses, and fierce animosities, and then we have actions like those of the robber Kih, or of Tsang (Shan) and Shih (Tshiû).
If now the whole world were taken to reward the good it would not suffice, nor would it be possible with it to punish the bad. Thus the world, great as it is, not sufficing for rewards and punishments, from the time of the three dynasties downwards, there has been nothing but bustle and excitement. Always occupied with rewards and punishments, what leisure have men had to rest in the instincts of the nature with which they are endowed?
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Psychonauttydread said: You have to live it you cant fake it you gotta see how they are living. If they are talking the talk they should be walking the walk. Psychedelics can coach your brain into a more zen style of living but you've got to apply that once your down.
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Psychonauttydread said: You have to live it you cant fake it you gotta see how they are living. If they are talking the talk they should be walking the walk. Psychedelics can coach your brain into a more zen style of living but you've got to apply that once your down.
Emptiness is form, form is emptiness.
get back to me when you truly believe you know what that means.
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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: Eggtimer]
#22181140 - 09/02/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Matter forms everything. All objects are a form. All forms are emptiness because constantly moving atoms portray the illusion of forms being solid.

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Psychonauttydread said: Matter forms everything. All objects are a form. All forms are emptiness because constantly moving atoms portray the illusion of forms being solid.
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Psychonauttydread said: Matter forms everything. All objects are a form. All forms are emptiness because constantly moving atoms portray the illusion of forms being solid.
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Lsd and other psychedelics are merely tools that have certain effects on the human consciousnesses. Used under the right context they can be used to have a genuine spiritual experience. That being said they don't necessarily ALWAYS produce this effect.
Psychedelic effects are depended on the conditions of set and setting, the individual, mood, and much more but just in general very circumstantial with many varying factors producing infinite variations and experiences.
They defiantly have the potential to aid someone in experiencing "Enlightenment" but if used differently can also cause any other types of strange experiences we are all more familiar with. That being said all Enlightenment is is a sudden realization of the all-inclusive nature of reality. Today's culture, especially western culture, focuses more on the individual and each persons respective ego. Separating themselves from everything else. When physically yes, but in the grant scheme of things you are bound to your environment and cannot have one without another. You affect your environment and you're affected by it just the same.
"Every living being is an engine geared to the wheelwork of the universe. Though seemingly affected only by its immediate surrounding, the sphere of external influence extends to an infinite distance." - Nikola Tesla
Meaning you are a part of the process of EVERYTHING and are a product of the universe just as everything else in existence is. Psychedelics are a great way to gain this understanding of the universe because a more common effect on exceptionally high doses, is the experience of the personal ego temporarily dissolving. You start to think since you affect everything and everything affects you you might as well be one thing comprised of many. You then have the perception of feeling interconnected with everything. Which you are and that mindset sticks after the drugs wear off and you have that awareness afterward.
A great Buddhist koan, and a koan is kind of like a joke but instead of humor being the reaction to the punchline, this realization is. Went something the longs of everything in existence has come together for you to enjoy something as simple as the chair you are sitting on. If anything had happened differently you may not have it or have it the same way as it is.
That is all it is. Is just an awareness of how everything influences everything else. Anyone claiming anything different or for it to bring some type of advantage is bluffing you. Enlightenment doesn't come with special "powers" or any benefit whatsoever other then maybe learning to respect things outside yourself. Which in and of itself is an important trait but not extraordinary. It cool to know! specially since this concept slips by all to easily in the western culture, which most likely is the cultural background for a lot of us.
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endogenous
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thelastoneleft said: I believe Stanley quoted that Lsd was just a drug. He took it for his own reasons, he noted everyone that took the trip was becoming enlightened, or what not. Owsley, was a genius, I often contemplate whether how intelligent the average trippers are and how it effect their perception to tripping.
Owsley wasn't a "genius". His girlfriend, a chemist, taught him how to synthesize LSD. That is something that anyone could learn.
He was just like the rest of the 60's people who thought that LSD was going to change the world for the better. He was an average joe - plain and simple.
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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: Lee] 1
#22181668 - 09/03/15 03:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lee said: Lsd and other psychedelics are merely tools that have certain effects on the human consciousnesses. Used under the right context they can be used to have a genuine spiritual experience. That being said they don't necessarily ALWAYS produce this effect.
Psychedelic effects are depended on the conditions of set and setting, the individual, mood, and much more but just in general very circumstantial with many varying factors producing infinite variations and experiences.
They defiantly have the potential to aid someone in experiencing "Enlightenment" but if used differently can also cause any other types of strange experiences we are all more familiar with. That being said all Enlightenment is is a sudden realization of the all-inclusive nature of reality. Today's culture, especially western culture, focuses more on the individual and each persons respective ego. Separating themselves from everything else. When physically yes, but in the grant scheme of things you are bound to your environment and cannot have one without another. You affect your environment and you're affected by it just the same.
"Every living being is an engine geared to the wheelwork of the universe. Though seemingly affected only by its immediate surrounding, the sphere of external influence extends to an infinite distance." - Nikola Tesla
Meaning you are a part of the process of EVERYTHING and are a product of the universe just as everything else in existence is. Psychedelics are a great way to gain this understanding of the universe because a more common effect on exceptionally high doses, is the experience of the personal ego temporarily dissolving. You start to think since you affect everything and everything affects you you might as well be one thing comprised of many. You then have the perception of feeling interconnected with everything. Which you are and that mindset sticks after the drugs wear off and you have that awareness afterward.
A great Buddhist koan, and a koan is kind of like a joke but instead of humor being the reaction the punchline, this realization is. Went something the longs of everything in existence has come together for you to enjoy something as simple as the chair you are sitting on. If anything had happened differently you may not have it or have it the same way as it is.
That is all it is. Is just an awareness of how everything influences everything else. Anyone claiming anything different or for it to bring some type of advantage is bluffing you. Enlightenment doesn't come with special "powers" or any benefit whatsoever other then maybe learning to respect things outside yourself. Which in and of itself is an important trait but not extraordinary. It cool to know! specially since this concept slips by all to easily in the western culture, which most likely is the cultural background for a lot of us.



I think if Einstein would of been born a littler latter...
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thelastoneleft
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Owsley was highly intelligent on many terms. Here's one fact to his education he bought all the text books, read them in a few days and sold them back. Still passing all his classes. If you don't call that close to a photographic memory I cannot consider what your would.
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Did you know Owsley was an early proponent of the paleo diet? In fact I remember learning that he had a falling out with the Grateful Dead at one point because he was so adamant that everyone follow his paleo diet.
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I believe you can't tell someone they didn't have a legit spiritual/enlightening experience off LSD. The user knows what he/she experienced, you can babble about how its man made; even if it was giraffe-made, it still wouldn't change the immensity of the LSD experience.
EDIT: I recall watching a video where a illusionist/magician guy took a psychologist lady who was a solid atheist and somehow tricked her brain into thinking she had some sort of religious experience. She began crying and felt euphoric, much like a psychedelic experience. The magician then told her in front of an audience that it was fake, and he sort of lead her to the experience using some illusionist tricks.
She STILL said that the experience was genuine and turned to become a firm believer in God. Even though the audience and the magician flat out duped her into it.
So again, you can't tell someone they didn't experience God
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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: Lee]
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Lee said: Lsd and other psychedelics are merely tools that have certain effects on the human consciousnesses. Used under the right context they can be used to have a genuine spiritual experience. That being said they don't necessarily ALWAYS produce this effect.
Psychedelic effects are depended on the conditions of set and setting, the individual, mood, and much more but just in general very circumstantial with many varying factors producing infinite variations and experiences.
They defiantly have the potential to aid someone in experiencing "Enlightenment" but if used differently can also cause any other types of strange experiences we are all more familiar with. That being said all Enlightenment is is a sudden realization of the all-inclusive nature of reality. Today's culture, especially western culture, focuses more on the individual and each persons respective ego. Separating themselves from everything else. When physically yes, but in the grant scheme of things you are bound to your environment and cannot have one without another. You affect your environment and you're affected by it just the same.
"Every living being is an engine geared to the wheelwork of the universe. Though seemingly affected only by its immediate surrounding, the sphere of external influence extends to an infinite distance." - Nikola Tesla
Meaning you are a part of the process of EVERYTHING and are a product of the universe just as everything else in existence is. Psychedelics are a great way to gain this understanding of the universe because a more common effect on exceptionally high doses, is the experience of the personal ego temporarily dissolving. You start to think since you affect everything and everything affects you you might as well be one thing comprised of many. You then have the perception of feeling interconnected with everything. Which you are and that mindset sticks after the drugs wear off and you have that awareness afterward.
A great Buddhist koan, and a koan is kind of like a joke but instead of humor being the reaction to the punchline, this realization is. Went something the longs of everything in existence has come together for you to enjoy something as simple as the chair you are sitting on. If anything had happened differently you may not have it or have it the same way as it is.
That is all it is. Is just an awareness of how everything influences everything else. Anyone claiming anything different or for it to bring some type of advantage is bluffing you. Enlightenment doesn't come with special "powers" or any benefit whatsoever other then maybe learning to respect things outside yourself. Which in and of itself is an important trait but not extraordinary. It cool to know! specially since this concept slips by all to easily in the western culture, which most likely is the cultural background for a lot of us.
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thelastoneleft said: I believe Stanley quoted that Lsd was just a drug. He took it for his own reasons, he noted everyone that took the trip was becoming enlightened, or what not. Owsley, was a genius, I often contemplate whether how intelligent the average trippers are and how it effect their perception to tripping.
Owsley wasn't a "genius". His girlfriend, a chemist, taught him how to synthesize LSD. That is something that anyone could learn.
He was just like the rest of the 60's people who thought that LSD was going to change the world for the better. He was an average joe - plain and simple.
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nicechrisman said: Did you know Owsley was an early proponent of the paleo diet? In fact I remember learning that he had a falling out with the Grateful Dead at one point because he was so adamant that everyone follow his paleo diet.
Yes, apparently he insisted that everybody who lived with him only eat meat and drink milk. The fridge was full of steaks and milk, and people would sneak in candy bars to eat secretly. Nobody wanted to get into the argument with him because he would never stop 
He said that roughage was the worst thing you could put in your body. He claimed that it scratches up the lining of your stomach and intestines, producing mucous and inflammation.
I think it's kind of funny to think about all of the hippies that went vegetarian/vegan after LSD, while the guy who made it was forcing his roommates to live on beef and milk.
Personally I think the guy was an interesting character but totally full of shit. You're a lot better off eating vegetables than getting all of your hydration from milk.
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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: drr]
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Yeah that shit seems pretty far out. I guess they didn't call him Bear for nothing
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He got that nickname cause he had a super hairy chest/back.
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I sure the man had his own personal views on life and death like us all.
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