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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #22200920 - 09/07/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I believe you can't tell someone they didn't have a legit spiritual/enlightening experience off LSD. The user knows what he/she experienced, you can babble about how its man made; even if it was giraffe-made, it still wouldn't change the immensity of the LSD experience.

EDIT: I recall watching a video where a illusionist/magician guy took a psychologist lady who was a solid atheist and somehow tricked her brain into thinking she had some sort of religious experience. She began crying and felt euphoric, much like a psychedelic experience. The magician then told her in front of an audience that it was fake, and he sort of lead her to the experience using some illusionist tricks.

She STILL said that the experience was genuine and turned to become a firm believer in God. Even though the audience and the magician flat out duped her into it.

So again, you can't tell someone they didn't experience God


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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: Lee]
    #22201084 - 09/07/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Lsd and other psychedelics are merely tools that have certain effects on the human consciousnesses. Used under the right context they can be used to have a genuine spiritual experience. That being said they don't necessarily ALWAYS produce this effect.

Psychedelic effects are depended on the conditions of set and setting, the individual, mood, and much more but just in general very circumstantial with many varying factors producing infinite variations and experiences.

They defiantly have the potential to aid someone in experiencing "Enlightenment" but if used differently can also cause any other types of strange experiences we are all more familiar with. That being said all Enlightenment is is a sudden realization of the all-inclusive nature of reality. Today's culture, especially western culture, focuses more on the individual and each persons respective ego. Separating themselves from everything else. When physically yes, but in the grant scheme of things you are bound to your environment and cannot have one without another. You affect your environment and  you're affected by it just the same.

"Every living being is an engine geared to the wheelwork of the universe. Though seemingly affected only by its immediate surrounding, the sphere of external influence extends to an infinite distance." - Nikola Tesla

Meaning you are a part of the process of EVERYTHING and are a product of the universe just as everything else in existence is. Psychedelics are a great way to gain this understanding of the universe because a more common effect on exceptionally high doses, is the experience of the personal ego temporarily dissolving. You start to think since you affect everything and everything affects you you might as well be one thing comprised of many.
You then have the perception of feeling interconnected with everything. Which you are and that mindset sticks after the drugs wear off and you have that awareness afterward.

A great Buddhist koan, and a koan is kind of like a joke but instead of humor being the reaction to the punchline, this realization is. Went something the longs of everything in existence has come together for you to enjoy something as simple as the chair you are sitting on. If anything had happened differently you may not have it or have it the same way as it is.


That is all it is. Is just an awareness of how everything influences everything else. Anyone claiming anything different or for it to bring some type of advantage is bluffing you. Enlightenment doesn't come with special "powers" or any benefit whatsoever other then maybe learning to respect things outside yourself. Which in and of itself is an important trait but not extraordinary. It cool to know! specially since this concept slips by all to easily in the western culture, which most likely is the cultural background for a lot of us.



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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: endogenous]
    #22201089 - 09/07/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe Stanley quoted that Lsd was just a drug. He took it for his own reasons, he noted everyone that took the trip was becoming enlightened, or what not. Owsley, was a genius, I often contemplate whether how intelligent the average trippers are and how it effect their perception to tripping.



Owsley wasn't a "genius". His girlfriend, a chemist, taught him how to synthesize LSD. That is something that anyone could learn.

He was just like the rest of the 60's people who thought that LSD was going to change the world for the better. He was an average joe - plain and simple.





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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22201284 - 09/07/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Did you know Owsley was an early proponent of the paleo diet? In fact I remember learning that he had a falling out with the Grateful Dead at one point because he was so adamant that everyone follow his paleo diet.



Yes, apparently he insisted that everybody who lived with him only eat meat and drink milk. The fridge was full of steaks and milk, and people would sneak in candy bars to eat secretly. Nobody wanted to get into the argument with him because he would never stop :lol:

He said that roughage was the worst thing you could put in your body. He claimed that it scratches up the lining of your stomach and intestines, producing mucous and inflammation.


I think it's kind of funny to think about all of the hippies that went vegetarian/vegan after LSD, while the guy who made it was forcing his roommates to live on beef and milk.

Personally I think the guy was an interesting character but totally full of shit. You're a lot better off eating vegetables than getting all of your hydration from milk.

Also; :smugjerry: :underage: :smugjerry:


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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: drr]
    #22203041 - 09/07/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that shit seems pretty far out. I guess they didn't call him Bear for nothing


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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22203155 - 09/07/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He got that nickname cause he had a super hairy chest/back.


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Re: Owsley Stanley [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #22203237 - 09/07/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sure the man had his own personal views on life and death like us all.




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