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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181141 - 09/02/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: You'll only be running the pc for 10-15 mins!

Come to think of it, you're right, I haven't done pf jars in years. It takes 45 mins to sterilize
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: shellzenone]
#22181172 - 09/02/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: You'll only be running the pc for 10-15 mins!

Come to think of it, you're right, I haven't done pf jars in years. It takes 45 mins to sterilize
45 max. I used to do pf jars at 12psi for 25 mins and never had a problem. Wouldn't hurt to go longer. I didn't like anything higher than 12psi though.
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: shellzenone]
#22181287 - 09/02/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: It takes 5-15 minutes to get up to pressure, so it's baisicly steaming during that time. Same when it's turned off. Takes time to depressurize. I used to never measure the time for pf cakes, but my whole point is that the water doesn't have to be that high.
Yes, it takes 10 or 15 minutes to get to pressure, then u start the one hour timer for cakes, or 90 minute timer for grains.....these are minimum times, no tek says otherwise.....please don't tell me ur just waiting till it builds pressure and turning off the heat....we don't even do that for agar, and its a liquid....
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Edited by PussyFart (09/02/15 11:56 PM)
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: tahoe]
#22181293 - 09/02/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shellzenone said: You'll only be running the pc for 10-15 mins!

Come to think of it, you're right, I haven't done pf jars in years. It takes 45 mins to sterilize
45 max. I used to do pf jars at 12psi for 25 mins and never had a problem. Wouldn't hurt to go longer. I didn't like anything higher than 12psi though.
Where is all this info coming from? in what tek does it say to sterilize anything for less than an hour?
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181300 - 09/03/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do agar for about 30 minutes (that's timed correctly from the point it reaches pressure, mind you), if I did PF mix I would do it for an hour, and I do grains for 2 hours. Nothing beats knowing for sure that everything's dead as fuck.
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181318 - 09/03/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The revision of the mmgg 2.0 had pc times in it. And we used to do rye grain quarts for an hour. Rr fought hard to get rid of that time and bump it up to 90. Now I only wish he would fight as hard to give sunflower seeds a good wrap ( rip agar) and my personal jihad of not using desicant or heat is bad propaganda. #thestruggleisreal
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: tahoe]
#22181345 - 09/03/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: The revision of the mmgg 2.0 had pc times in it.
Not sure what that even is....sounds outdated.....acronyms piss me off sometimes lol.
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tahoe said: And we used to do rye grain quarts for an hour.
Exactly, used to.....90 minutes is safer and provides more time for the center of the jars to reach and hold the correct temp, for a more thorough sterilization....because why risk it, you are already dedicating 2 hours to the process, why not 30 more for peace of mind?
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tahoe said: Rr fought hard to get rid of that time and bump it up to 90. Now I only wish he would fight as hard to give sunflower seeds a good wrap ( rip agar) and my personal jihad of not using desicant or heat is bad propaganda. #thestruggleisreal
How else would you dry them without desiccant or heat?
I'm pretty sure he advocates both methods, if done properly.....not sure what u mean here.....
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Edited by PussyFart (09/03/15 12:18 AM)
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181386 - 09/03/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the past I've always done 60 minutes for grain jars. Just recently I started upping my times but never had a problem with 60 minutes. 15 minutes is crazy in my opinion though even for pftek.
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181417 - 09/03/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: The revision of the mmgg 2.0 had pc times in it.
Not sure what that even is....sounds outdated.....acronyms piss me off sometimes lol.
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tahoe said: And we used to do rye grain quarts for an hour.
Exactly, used to.....90 minutes is safer and provides more time for the center of the jars to reach and hold the correct temp, for a more thorough sterilization....because why risk it, you are already dedicating 2 hours to the process, why not 30 more for peace of mind?
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tahoe said: Rr fought hard to get rid of that time and bump it up to 90. Now I only wish he would fight as hard to give sunflower seeds a good wrap ( rip agar) and my personal jihad of not using desicant or heat is bad propaganda. #thestruggleisreal
How else would you dry them without desiccant or heat?
I'm pretty sure he advocates both methods, if done properly.....not sure what u mean here.....
No, he's talking about the 'heat is bad' propaganda.
I use dessicants to KEEP things dry. not to to dry them in the first place.
Dehydrate (also throw the dessicants in the dehydro to make the work better) then put in a bag with a desiccant pack. Bone dry shrooms will readily reabsorb moisture out of the air, so keeping a desiccant pack with them is good. Using only dessicants to dry them is dumb. desiccant chambers are outdated info...
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22181460 - 09/03/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pretty off topic here but since we are kinda already talking about it hand warmers make a great oxygen absorber for dry shrooms. One hand warmer will keep a 5 gallon bucket full(and probably much more)dry for a good amount of time. As long as the bucket has a good seal.
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: gizmo1]
#22181545 - 09/03/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green rabbit was following me. That was a very confusing sentence. So bad that I need to wait until I wake up later to fix it. #postingwhilehalfasleep
It's the magic mushroom growers guide. A updated, and easy to follow version of the pf tek. https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
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Edited by tahoe (09/03/15 01:50 AM)
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: tahoe]
#22181571 - 09/03/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: Green rabbit was following me. That was a very confusing sentence. So bad that I need to wait until I wake up later to fix it. #postingwhilehalfasleep
It's the magic mushroom growers guide. A updated, and easy to follow version of the pf tek. https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
Maybe our definitions of "updated" differ....
= It was last updated 11 years ago...
= There is no mention of dunking the cakes after birthing, nor is there mention of rolling them in verm. (This has been normal practice after birthing PF Tek cakes for years)
= Only mention of high humidity, but no mention of FAE or evaporation off the substrate being a pinning trigger. = The recommended terrarium is one that utilized an ultrasonic humidifier for cakes.......
= It recommends using a humidity gauge, when the RH levels are not really that important.....
= There is also the phrase "It needs light to initiate pinning and to tell the mushrooms which way is up.".....which is totally false, in every way.....
= It is a very outdated tek by today's standards......
= I can go on, but I digress....that is a terrible tek by todays standards.....
I am not meaning to quarrel with another TC, and I mean no offense when I say this, I like to be straight forward, but tahoe you have been gone for way too long to know what is "updated" and what is not. I have to correct 50% of your posts because they contradict what every active TC has been saying on these boards for years.
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Edited by PussyFart (09/03/15 02:09 AM)
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181579 - 09/03/15 02:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181588 - 09/03/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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tahoe said: Green rabbit was following me. That was a very confusing sentence. So bad that I need to wait until I wake up later to fix it. #postingwhilehalfasleep
It's the magic mushroom growers guide. A updated, and easy to follow version of the pf tek. https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
Maybe our definitions of "updated" differ....
= It was last updated 11 years ago...
= There is no mention of dunking the cakes after birthing, nor is there mention of rolling them in verm. (This has been normal practice after birthing PF Tek cakes for years)
= Only mention of high humidity, but no mention of FAE or evaporation off the substrate being a pinning trigger. = The recommended terrarium is one that utilized an ultrasonic humidifier for cakes.......
= It recommends using a humidity gauge, when the RH levels are not really that important.....
= There is also the phrase "It needs light to initiate pinning and to tell the mushrooms which way is up.".....which is totally false, in every way.....
= It is a very outdated tek by today's standards......
= I can go on, but I digress....that is a terrible tek by todays standards.....
I am not meaning to quarrel with another TC, and I mean no offense when I say this, I like to be straight forward, but tahoe you have been gone for way too long to know what is "updated" and what is not. I have to correct 50% of your posts because they contradict what every active TC has been saying on these boards for years.
I was looking for the eating popcorn smiley then I gave up. Im pretty sure it was in plain sight but im not exactly in my right mind right now. Im taking tahoes side hahahahah... Unless NAH I mean PF is winning then im on his side. Lets just have them battle for TC tags loser gets their tag stripped... Ah shit im tired im going to crash. Don't even know what im talking about.
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: gizmo1]
#22181592 - 09/03/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody's tag is getting stripped....my god....go to bed lol.
I still have that box BTW...love it. Many Thnx
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
#22181607 - 09/03/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Nobody's tag is getting stripped....my god....go to bed lol.
I still have that box BTW...love it. Many Thnx
I'm blushing lol. I'm surprised you remember that I m the one that made that it was more than a couple years ago.
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: gizmo1]
#22182367 - 09/03/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's an updated version of the pf tek.The pf tek is twenty years old. It came as a white 10-20 booklet from pf for 5 bucks or something. The mmgg was am updated version of that. Hell I even think the preface of the mmgg says so. All the stuff you mention pussyfart , wait a minute are you pf, was put out by rr and his let's grow mushrooms video. You ever wonder why rr was so invested in making the changes to the pf tek? He had a video to sell. Nothing wrong there. Time to turn in your tc tag. Just kidding.
Let's get back to the original problem of the dudes cakes being too wet after pcing. I gave the answer to the problem
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: tahoe]
#22182523 - 09/03/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: All the stuff you mention pussyfart , wait a minute are you pf, was put out by rr and his let's grow mushrooms video.
No, I am not the PF u speak of....sry.
My point remains....U need to do some brushing up on your "up to date" research......
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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: tahoe]
#22182924 - 09/03/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahoe said: It's an updated version of the pf tek.The pf tek is twenty years old. It came as a white 10-20 booklet from pf for 5 bucks or something. The mmgg was am updated version of that. Hell I even think the preface of the mmgg says so. All the stuff you mention pussyfart , wait a minute are you pf, was put out by rr and his let's grow mushrooms video. You ever wonder why rr was so invested in making the changes to the pf tek? He had a video to sell. Nothing wrong there. Time to turn in your tc tag. Just kidding.
Let's get back to the original problem of the dudes cakes being too wet after pcing. I gave the answer to the problem
Hahaha
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