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Pressure cooking problems
    #22180377 - 09/02/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay i bought my first pressure cooker. 23 quart Presto canner.

Ive been having problems with contaminates in my pf jars, mostly
Due to water content. To try and avoid this i decided to avoid steam
And go straight for a pc. However it was worse. Somebody help a new
Grower out.

I used evilmushrooms tek for brf. My jars have the regular 4 hole pf lids, no filter or anything
Fancy. After water getting in my jars from steaming, i began completely wrapping
Them in foil, but it still happened. This morning i used my pc and i completely wrapped
The jars with foil and put duct tape around the bottom to seal it. I filled the pc with 24 of these 1/2 pint jars. I put in the amount of water it says in the directions (up to the line, and about an inch up the bottom of the first layer of jars) and pc'ed. I just removed the lid to noc' up and holy shit. The tape i guess melted amd smells horrible, and the jars still are filled with water. With some of them, i mean that literally.

First i tried everything right, (my 2nd-5th batch)i think, and failed. Second time (6-7th batch) i get desperate and make a fool of my self.

HOW do i keep water out of my jars?
Should i say F it and go to WBS?


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180395 - 09/02/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How wet is the verm going into the jar? Maybe your jars are cracked or the seals are bad. How tight are you twisting them?


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: GoblinKing]
    #22180410 - 09/02/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I twist them on tightly, and my moisture content looks fine and is at no
More than field capacity. I also use a new batch of jars almost every time, and theres a
Big sample size being that its 24 jars. Its gotta be my procedure


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180428 - 09/02/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you wrap the lids tightly in foil during pc?


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180429 - 09/02/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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my moisture content looks fine and is at no
More than field capacity



This is your issue....field capacity is for bulk....it's way too wet for brf cakes.

Follow pf tek properly.....


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
    #22180451 - 09/02/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wrapped the entire jar in foil then duct taped it at bottom.
And ive done over 150 cakes in the past couple of months with a lot of
Research i know that if anything they were too dry to begin with. In fact
As far as pf tek goes, they were definitely on the dry side. I used more vermiculite then it calls for because i have had such bad exp with wet mix


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180461 - 09/02/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I used to have this same problem. I don't remember for sure how I over came the problem but I noticed the more foil I used the more water that would get into the jars. I believe someone told me I was putting too much water(I wasn't) and I used a little less and that helped also. Just be careful not to run it dry.
I have that same PC are you sure you are filling to the very bottom line? It has lines all the way up the side.
Also vent steam for 10 minutes before adding the rocker weight, and use the minimum amount of heat on your stove to maintain 15psi. You want the weight to rock but only lightly not violently.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180474 - 09/02/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wetness doesn't just cause contamination out of the blue unless it's your dry verm barrier becoming wet and wicking it in.  I see a lot of people blaming the moisture but that doesn't just spawn contaminants out of nowhere.  It's gotta be procedure.

Hell since you have a PC you could just do grains and call it a day.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180479 - 09/02/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I wrapped the entire jar in foil then duct taped it at bottom.
And ive done over 150 cakes in the past couple of months with a lot of
Research i know that if anything they were too dry to begin with. In fact
As far as pf tek goes, they were definitely on the dry side. I used more vermiculite then it calls for because i have had such bad exp with wet mix



Then learn what field capacity means......

The ratio is 1-1-2....its pretty hard to mess up....don't adjust it, measure and mix....

Are you using fine verm, or coarse?


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: PussyFart]
    #22180503 - 09/02/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The only time I've made PF mix in the last 5 years I just mixed the shit together in the bowl using the 1:1:2 ratio and it came out perfect.  Fine grade verm, or so it says on the bag.



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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: gizmo1]
    #22180569 - 09/02/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Id still love to hear more much app and respected advice from pussyfart, but i was really
Looking for gizmos response. Im really suspicious that over doing foil just makes more water wind up in jars. It certainly hasn't helped, and its where i started straying from the tek.
Also yes bottom line of pc. And i followed directions correctly but my rocker was moving pretty fast, so ill make a note of that, thank you.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180604 - 09/02/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its fine grade. In the past i have used 1:1:2 and some have been a success but some came out of the pot much wetter than they went it. At least it appeared this way. These jars of mine grew no mycelium but were imfected rather quickly with bacteria.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180617 - 09/02/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

try raising the jars completely out of the water and just steaming them, instead of the bottom inch or so being submerged.....


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180629 - 09/02/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Like I said, you've already made the big investment, why don't you just do grains and forget about this for now?  That's one problem you won't have, since your filter won't let moisture out in a grain jar.  You can worry about more important stuff like sterile technique or agar instead of "fuck, my jars keep failing".  If anything you're probably not operating the PC as smoothly as you could, and that can cause moisture to be drawn into or out of the jar since it just has holes in it.  The rocker really shouldn't be moving that much at all, just a wiggle or two every minute.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Inocuole]
    #22180669 - 09/02/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180696 - 09/02/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Can i use this giant pc to steam?

I thought i used it correctly but my rocker was moving maybe 100 times a minute?
And yeah, id like to move on to grains anyway but ive got a ton of brf and verm.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180730 - 09/02/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So if am to move on, my idea was WBS jars spawned to coir verm and coffee in a monotub.
Any other recommendations? Ive only done pf tek so far, im not a bad learner just more of a greenery guy myself. Where should my newfound hobby go next?


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Inocuole]
    #22180766 - 09/02/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Like I said, you've already made the big investment, why don't you just do grains and forget about this for now?  That's one problem you won't have, since your filter won't let moisture out in a grain jar.  You can worry about more important stuff like sterile technique or agar instead of "fuck, my jars keep failing".  If anything you're probably not operating the PC as smoothly as you could, and that can cause moisture to be drawn into or out of the jar since it just has holes in it.  The rocker really shouldn't be moving that much at all, just a wiggle or two every minute.



On my stove to get it to "wiggle" once or twice a minute I have to get the heat pretty damn low and it drops well below 15psi. I go as low as I can to still maintain 15psi and it doesn't rock a hole lot but more than 1 or 2 times per minute. I do look for that pause between rocking though you don't want it to rock constantly OP hope this helps.


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180784 - 09/02/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So if am to move on, my idea was WBS jars spawned to coir verm and coffee in a monotub.
Any other recommendations? Ive only done pf tek so far, im not a bad learner just more of a greenery guy myself. Where should my newfound hobby go next?



I would leave out the coffee completely at least until you get a little more experience under your belt. I have been growing for some time now and still try to avoid the stuff. If you do use it (which I wouldn't suggest just yet) then use a weak liquid coffee.:thumbup:


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Re: Pressure cooking problems [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22180805 - 09/02/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Rye grain is definitely the easiest and one of the best grains IME. Quart jars with polyfill lids is what I do. I think I read that 23 quart prestos will hold 7 quart jars.

I'd also add the coffee to the jars, as unless you're planning to do proper pasteurization on your coir, you're gonna get a lot of contams.


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