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Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook
#22179967 - 09/02/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Couldn't help myself. Had to take the bait.
I just looked up the National Office for Statistics in the UK. The actual number is 25,972. 51% of these offenses do not involve anyone actually getting stabbed, they are simply someone using a knife to rob someone or threatening someone with a knife. Only 1% or 262 of these knife offenses resulted in death.
By contrast, 11 out of every 100,000 Americans died from gunshot wounds- about 4 by homicide and 7 by suicide- by in the same year, for a total of 35,090 deaths.
Even if we adjust for the differences in population- 64 million in the UK versus 319 million in the USA- we can use simple math to figure out the actual violence differential. The population of the USA is 4.984375 times greater than the population of the UK, so multiply the number of knife deaths in the UK times 4.984375 and you get 1305.90625. Now divide 35,090 by that number and you can see that the number of who died from gunshot wounds in the USA is 26.8702290076 greater than the number of individuals who would have died from knife wounds if the UK had the same population as the USA.
Conservatives hate numbers. They are all about vague ideologies.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: morrowasted]
#22180009 - 09/02/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get annoyed with that argument for guns. I could make a knife if I needed to, it takes skill to fabricate a gun and they are much more difficult to not get killed by
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22180052 - 09/02/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I get annoyed with that argument for guns. I could make a knife if I needed to, it takes skill to fabricate a gun and they are much more difficult to not get killed by
This. You can disarm someone with a knife if your good or lucky. If you are unarmed and someone comes at you with a gun you have no chance.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22180059 - 09/02/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your Facebook? Do they post it on your page or something?
But yeah, it's all so And annoying as shit
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#22180064 - 09/02/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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suicide rates and domestic violence rates also skyrocket
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: morrowasted] 2
#22180115 - 09/02/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ban guns ban food ban knives ban sex ban ban ban
fuck it ban everything.
who gives a fuck. are so much about what other people are doing? mind your own
why do people c
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: morrowasted]
#22180123 - 09/02/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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People will always be assholes regardless of what weapon they use.
When was the last time there was a knife mass murder or large-scale school stabbing?
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: HardTrippin] 2
#22180216 - 09/02/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I get annoyed with that argument for guns. I could make a knife if I needed to, it takes skill to fabricate a gun and they are much more difficult to not get killed by
This. You can disarm someone with a knife if your good or lucky. If you are unarmed and someone comes at you with a gun you have no chance.
If you're unarmed and they have a gun you need to immediately start doing summersaults or front flips to close the distance to them.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: twighead] 2
#22180242 - 09/02/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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what liberals and foreigners understand is that banning guns doesn't get rid of guns. There is more than one gun per person in the US. Ban or make it hard to get guns and all it's gonna do is make people who follow the law victims (in case I need to spell it out, criminals aren't gonna follow the law and there is no shortage of guns in circulation for them to get). Believe it or not people actually own and use guns for self defense. Statistically cars are much much more dangerous than guns.
Idk why I even bother replying to these topics they go nowhere.
Edited by luvdemboomers (09/02/15 08:53 PM)
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22180439 - 09/02/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats bullshit, every single developed country out there that makes it difficult to get pistols has far lower rates of gun violence then those that dont.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: luvdemboomers] 1
#22180442 - 09/02/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: what liberals and foreigners understand is that banning guns doesn't get rid of guns. There is more than one gun per person in the US. Ban or make it hard to get guns and all it's gonna do is make people who follow the law victims (in case I need to spell it out, criminals aren't gonna follow the law and there is no shortage of guns in circulation for them to get). Believe it or not people actually own and use guns for self defense. Statistically cars are much much more dangerous than guns.
Idk why I even bother replying to these topics they go nowhere.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: morrowasted]
#22180511 - 09/02/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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guns are only bad when everyone doesnt have one
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: morrowasted]
#22180529 - 09/02/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: ... Couldn't help myself. Had to take the bait.
I just looked up the National Office for Statistics in the UK. The actual number is 25,972. 51% of these offenses do not involve anyone actually getting stabbed, they are simply someone using a knife to rob someone or threatening someone with a knife. Only 1% or 262 of these knife offenses resulted in death.
By contrast, 11 out of every 100,000 Americans died from gunshot wounds- about 4 by homicide and 7 by suicide- by in the same year, for a total of 35,090 deaths.
Even if we adjust for the differences in population- 64 million in the UK versus 319 million in the USA- we can use simple math to figure out the actual violence differential. The population of the USA is 4.984375 times greater than the population of the UK, so multiply the number of knife deaths in the UK times 4.984375 and you get 1305.90625. Now divide 35,090 by that number and you can see that the number of who died from gunshot wounds in the USA is 26.8702290076 greater than the number of individuals who would have died from knife wounds if the UK had the same population as the USA.
Conservatives hate numbers. They are all about vague ideologies.
 https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls
Huh. From 2009-2013, the amount of stabbing deaths and handgun deaths decreased, but "Firearms, type not stated" came away with a slow increase over all.
Am bad at math though, should the knife deaths in the US be factored in at all, given that though guns are banned in the UK knives are not banned in the US?
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: Tantrika]
#22180988 - 09/02/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gun violence has decreased. I wonder what is the cause of that.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: morrowasted] 1
#22180997 - 09/02/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was reading a FB thread about flat earth theory this evening.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22181044 - 09/02/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Humans have been destroying each other since creation the weapon has little to do with the violence.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: GoblinKing]
#22181050 - 09/02/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Word, but we should develop greek fire still, that's a weapon that matters!
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: twighead]
#22181070 - 09/02/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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twighead said: Word, but we should develop greek fire still, that's a weapon that matters!
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: twighead]
#22181077 - 09/02/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i will read the thread and expect the 'vague ideologies' and be disappointed - because they are so lacking in description, for one reason - and i will see the same stone-walling from the majority because of the national idealism with guns; though i am not averse to guns, it's a fact that gun's increase violent crime, per capita, than any other weapon.
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Re: Love it when conservatives post retarded shit on my facebook [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#22181134 - 09/02/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree that the sentiment that guns and knives are somehow equal is stupid. I also think counting accidents and suicides in gun statistics to call for actions against them is pretty annoying and wrong.
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