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All lysigeric acids info
    #22179886 - 09/02/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I got told that LSD, LSB, LSC, idk maybe more he said AL-lad are modifications of each other.
And I know that LSA is the real man behind it all so really LSD and the others are a modifications from LSA?¿ or LSD is and then the others are Modified from it ¿? I thought I was self Informed well but this guy I know who I guess, well brings another question, Buys LSD offline? He got my shit flip in around. He Gets the crystal and lays the blotter himself,, and he said it has to be LSD cause of how small a normal dose is compared to how much the others would have to be. Really want to get these Q's I have answered Any help is much appreciated.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: LoGerLunD]
    #22180005 - 09/02/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are a bunch of LSD analogues floating around, I would suggest getting a testing kit rather than taking his word.  Plenty of incentive for people to sell shitty RCs that cost less to make.  You can test for them with an erlich's and a marquis reagent to get a good idea what it is or is not.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: LoGerLunD]
    #22180033 - 09/02/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

edit - oops, read wrong

but
a small dose ain't a reason to believe something is LSD


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: fapjack]
    #22180046 - 09/02/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The xxx-LAD series is LSD that has been dealkykated at position 6 to nor LSD then substitutions are added to position 6, and ethyl chain give ETH-LAD and allying chain gives AL-LAD.

Next there are compounds which are lysergic acid reacted with an amine other than diethylamine, such as LSZ (lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide)

Then there are substitions to the NH grouping of the pyrrole ring, position 1, such as  n-acetyl-lsd or 1- proionyl-lsd, these substitutions to position one are metabolized away leaving the original NH grouping, so these compounds are pro-drugs of LSD


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22180058 - 09/02/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LoGerLunD said:
So I got told that LSD, LSB, LSC, idk maybe more he said AL-lad are modifications of each other.
And I know that LSA is the real man behind it all so really LSD and the others are a modifications from LSA?¿ or LSD is and then the others are Modified from it ¿? I thought I was self Informed well but this guy I know who I guess, well brings another question, Buys LSD offline? He got my shit flip in around. He Gets the crystal and lays the blotter himself,, and he said it has to be LSD cause of how small a normal dose is compared to how much the others would have to be. Really want to get these Q's I have answered Any help is much appreciated.



LSB & LSC, eh?

Tell your dealer he's a piece of shit and find a new one.

In the meantime while you search for a new dealer you should do a bit of research on drugs before buying them and most certainly before putting them in your body.

Also, get a test kit.




LSB is lysergic acid 2-butyl amide is a legitimate lysergamide.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: dormiens_vagila]
    #22180073 - 09/02/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i read wrong, i read the dude sold him lsd, lsb and lsc
fixed my post already


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: LoGerLunD]
    #22180085 - 09/02/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't listen to Potamus about talking trash, he's crazy

Just tell your dealer that he's misinformed and that there's no such thing as LSC, and that while LSB exists as a chemical, it is extremely unheard of and he's probably never seen it. Also, none of them are made from each other, or "modifications" of each other.

Chemicals don't work in alphabetical order like that.

If your dealer insists that all lysergic drugs are a modification of LSA, and that he does LSC all the time, then call him dumb or crazy. Don't call him a P.O.S. though, that's not nice


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: Sheekle]
    #22180104 - 09/02/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yea hes full of shit man. those chemicals are all lysergamides but they dont all derive from one substance. hes just trying to throw some hippie bullshit at you to make you think hes "hella heady"


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: Sheekle]
    #22180179 - 09/02/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't listen to Potamus about talking trash, he's crazy

Just tell your dealer that he's misinformed and that there's no such thing as LSC, and that while LSB exists as a chemical, it is extremely unheard of and he's probably never seen it. Also, none of them are made from each other, or "modifications" of each other.

Chemicals don't work in alphabetical order like that.

If your dealer insists that all lysergic drugs are a modification of LSA, and that he does LSC all the time, then call him dumb or crazy. Don't call him a P.O.S. though, that's not nice




All of the XXX-LAD series are made from LSD, the LSD is dealkylated, meaning that the methyl group from the nitrogen at position 6 has been removed, then alkyl chains are added, if its an ethyl chain (ch2ch3) added to nitrogen 6 of the nor LSD you get ETH-LAD, and so on, the first three letters are determined by the chain added to nitrogen 6 ("nor" simply means an alkyl group has been removed, so the start from nor-LSD, but you need LSD to get nor-LSD.

In the case of LSB,LSZ,and so on, the LSx series, they are reacting lysergic acid with an amine other than diethylamine, so the carbon/oxygen double bond at the top of the molecule is having the amine added to it, its a condensation reaction, so if you react 2,4-dimethyl-azetidine in place of diethylamine you will get lysergic acid 2,4-dimethyl-azetidide or "LSZ" if its a butyl .substitution being added you get "LSB"

So its the nature of the substitution that determines the letter in its name, it absolutely does not go in an arbitrary or alphabetical order

As for LSB being rare, this is not true, LSZ,LSB,AL-LAD, PRO-LAD, ETH-LAD, 1P-LSD, etc...are all available online as research chemicals, because of nick sand N-acetyl-LSD (ALD-52) was scheduled, but most have research chemical status and can be ordered in the mail.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: dormiens_vagila]
    #22180209 - 09/02/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All of those drugs you listed aside from LSB I hear as being around. But WTF! I've never seen pix of LSB blotter.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: dormiens_vagila]
    #22180258 - 09/02/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not even LSD starts from lysergic acid amide (LSA), the LSA must have the NH2 grouping removed, providing lysergic acid, LSD is made by a condensation reaction between lysergic acid and diethylamine.

There is a total synthesis of lysergic acid, though most will extract LSA from morning glory's or Hawaiian baby woodrose, the LSA is then reanimated to lysergic acid, which is then converted to LSD.

I explained how the substituted compounds were made in a previous post


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: dormiens_vagila]
    #22180296 - 09/02/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



LSB blotters generally look like this, only with a "B" rather than "z"


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: dormiens_vagila]
    #22180307 - 09/02/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ive been looking through my vendors, LSB really isn't around, what happened?


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: dormiens_vagila]
    #22180332 - 09/02/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I could be mistaken, but I thought the only LSB vendors out there have been scammers.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22180536 - 09/02/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the info guys.
I haven't bought any or ate any mainly cause he sold all 100 hits in 4days so I was a lil too late but when I seen him I talked with him. He says when he buys it offline it's always labels as LSD-25 even when he gets the bag of crystals it has a lil sticker saying that on it. Idk about what he's got going on. And really I don't care too much cause honestly feel like crystal LSA has the most to offer. As close to natural as possible. I'm planning on making my own and seeing what's up, figured I was gonna make a sheet with him for about 300$ but with all the un-sureness I'm turning towards putting that $ towards makeing my own LSA. I've always felt best that way.


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    #22180871 - 09/02/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck is LSC? Sounds like a university with a good football program in the deep south.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22180974 - 09/02/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Word of advice... Don't fucking trust anyone you're buying drugs off of. Never blatantly take someone's word for something. Your putting your life at risk when you ingest untested chemicals. Simple solution to this, BUY A TEST KIT. In specific, an Ehrlich Reagent kit if your testing suspected LSD. If what you have is infact LSD it will turn purple. This guy sounds like he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about though so buy whatever he sells you at your own risk... Either way test it before you ingest it. At the very worst you'll get ripped off but at least you're not putting your life at risk.

Steps to testing suspected LSD:

1. Cut off very small piece of blotter paper with clean razor blade. (You don't need much, a small corner will be sufficient enough)
2. Put the small corner of blotter paper in the provided test tube. (One will come with test kit.)
3. Put one to two drops of Ehrlich solution onto blotter. (Be sure not to touch the blotter with the end of the dropper otherwise you will contaminate your test kit.)
4. The blotter will react with the liquid/reagent solution & turn purple if you have legitimate LSD.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: LoGerLunD]
    #22181211 - 09/02/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the info guys.
I haven't bought any or ate any mainly cause he sold all 100 hits in 4days so I was a lil too late but when I seen him I talked with him. He says when he buys it offline it's always labels as LSD-25 even when he gets the bag of crystals it has a lil sticker saying that on it. Idk about what he's got going on. And really I don't care too much cause honestly feel like crystal LSA has the most to offer. As close to natural as possible. I'm planning on making my own and seeing what's up, figured I was gonna make a sheet with him for about 300$ but with all the un-sureness I'm turning towards putting that $ towards makeing my own LSA. I've always felt best that way.



lol "crystal LSA"

LSA has a lot more unpleasant side-effects than LSD usually does.


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #22186567 - 09/04/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I could be mistaken, but I thought the only LSB vendors out there have been scammers.




I bought LSB in 2007 from a now inactive vendor, I never had them GC/MS tested or anything, but I'm confident they were in fact LSB


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Re: All lysigeric acids info [Re: LoGerLunD]
    #22186575 - 09/04/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the info guys.
I haven't bought any or ate any mainly cause he sold all 100 hits in 4days so I was a lil too late but when I seen him I talked with him. He says when he buys it offline it's always labels as LSD-25 even when he gets the bag of crystals it has a lil sticker saying that on it. Idk about what he's got going on. And really I don't care too much cause honestly feel like crystal LSA has the most to offer. As close to natural as possible. I'm planning on making my own and seeing what's up, figured I was gonna make a sheet with him for about 300$ but with all the un-sureness I'm turning towards putting that $ towards makeing my own LSA. I've always felt best that way.




Crystal LSA is garbage compared to LSD, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, ETH-LAD, even PRO-LAD was a million times better than LSA. Argyreia nervosa

Lysergic acid amide is derived from Ipomoea tricolor, ipomea viloecea, Argyreia nervosa seeds (ergot contains several lysegsmides but that's anothestory


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