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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #24873910 - 12/28/17 03:40 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

yes I think buddha said the universe spawned and I think he might have said it dies or actually I think he said it went back like you said
it was cozey/lovely "hyggeligt (danish)" to read (like an expression for like cozey warm fuzzy)


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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Arising-1]
    #24875294 - 12/29/17 01:25 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Another #1 post two years later! :congrats:


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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin]
    #24879455 - 12/30/17 08:11 PM (6 years, 30 days ago)

is exactly that
just another theory
within the universe
which is itself
so it cannot be breathing IN anything larger than itself
duh

if we must insist on explaining things
this may come closest:
humans are the joke of the universe,
because they insist on explaining things,
duh

like the Beattles said
long ago:
"Let it be"


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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: laughingdog]
    #24883989 - 01/01/18 09:25 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

What if the "Big Bang," or Creation from Nothingness is akin to Conception of a Child via Consummation; & the "Big Crunch" or inevitable Implosion of Space & Time is just simply Exiting the Body & Being Introspective again to the point of Inversion? (Maybe even the alleged Missing Matter / Energy is the parallel Creation that is basically in another Dimension? And that is not anything except Light Energy that is blinded to observation, like a Singularity at the Galactic Center are purportedly Infinite but hidden from v
View...?) Or, Maybe the Only Real Big Bang & Big Crunch isn't something External, but In converse, It's exclusively an Internal State of Consciousness? Because Everyone arguably is reincarnated from another life or existence, & death is inevitable for all Mortals to basically implode back to the former state of being. So, a person who is literally Born Again (using a Spiritual or Philosophical conjecture I presume is Evident) is of similtude to Big Bang [maybe your parents were being Naught(y)]? And Death is a Big Crunch, Imploding from that Life from said "Big Bang?" I know that this is just Philosophical conjectures, but also everything related to Metaphysics is Conjectures by definition, as Scientists cannot verify what is even the Meanings & Purpose & Reasons for there being Meanings, Purpose & Reasons, etc., albeit many have opinions about them. So, the Notion of even the Reason Why Water is Solid at 32°F & below, & Steams via evaporation at 212°F, (at sea level), is Metaphysical in Nature & Scientists cannot be Objective about the Metaphysical behind even Why Water has these properties between Solid State & the Middle State of Liquid & the Vapor State that proceeds these, not to mention Plasma & such. So, anything that is Subjective, it's Metaphysical in Nature, the beliefs about Why the Sky is Blue & I love you's, etc.. So, Scientists are Stuck in difficult positions, they cannot Objectively verify the Reasons for anything, they can only use what is evident via the Physical Creation to make "scientific discoveries" or scientific insights, & using prior knowledge to deduce what appears as Testable or somewhat repeatable. Scientists cannot say Why the Universe / Creation began at all, not objectively anyways, they can only state what appears to be evident in some fashions; like the Telescopes detected Red shifting so that is indicative to an expansion of Objects from the Observers on Earth, according to what is said about Why there is Red Shift & Blue Shift. But in all Reality, it is Possible (key word here) that the Majority of Galaxies are fleeing the scene because they are heading to "greener Grass," or an Exodus (say Cheese) from Tumult to more serene, serendipitous, Surreal Surroundings, etc.. But I'm not saying it's So, I'm saying I don't know Why the Red Shift is Happening, seems inexplicable from a finite position on earth. Maybe there is No Expansion of Space Time, maybe it just is an illusion from being Now inside the Naked Singularity that is a Point Relative to Something much bigger, or like being an Electron in the Biggest Star. Or, What is Big or Small isn't Objective, it's Relative (to a reference point). So to say the Observable Universe is Big, I guess that isn't even Factual nor can ever be Factual, but subjective to what people believe via presumptions regarding Space, just like if I said 14 billion years is a Long Time, that isn't Factual at all, it is opinion. So, I am Not saying that I haven't said subjective things regarding such things, but I cannot Prove either way, but maybe imply, It's like that via the Relative Perspectives I've had during this experience. Like if I said that running to the next closest State is "Far," I'm saying more or less, I really am out of Prime shape & I would probably die trying to reach there in a sprint. To sum it up. But traveling to the nearest house in suburban areas to a Slug  might take that Slug weeks while traveling even in a straight line. While in converse, a Fast Bird might be able to make that journey in seconds by just sailing with its wings open in a glide. And all the Migrating Bird's, they seem to make many hundred mile migrations with ease, or that doesn't stop them because the distance. So, I am just trying to say, Creation is Subjective, Creation is virtually, almost Exclusively Subjective & moot & only a tiny fraction can be quantified by "science" or scientists. A scientist could say the Observable Universe is about 93 billion light years in Diameter, but saying this distance is "too far" for any ET peoples to travel, I would say that That opinion shows their myopic perspectives regarding what Creation has already fruited. Or if a Scientist said, It's impossible to Travel the 93 billion Light Years in any Literal ways, I would say that if the ET peoples heard that, They might Laugh Out Loud regarding this & think to themselves, "So this scientist is the epitome of genius on earth, aye? We shouldn't bother going to earth anytime soon as there is no intelligent life there now." Maybe the ET peoples would think, "So because this Scientist said it's Impossible, that is the end of Discussion, It IS Impossible because a person with a college degree said so." As they roll on the floor of their Intergalactic ship or whatever in hysterical sarcasm. Etc.. But if it is true that, We are what we see, then seeing the Radius of the Observable Creation, just looking via Telescopes means that those who have seen the perimeter of Creation has virtually traveled there at least in a sense of sensing. Like, if you look at your own body, you expect certain things & you might presume you are XYZ. But in Reality, everything is in constant flux of change, or evolution at the Quantum / Microcosmic levels to Macrocosmic levels, nothing stays exactly the same for any period of time, but I guess that if you were stuck in an external single moment in time, that wouldn't apply to you, say at Absolute Zero. But, I cannot even verify the Creation is still not a Singularity or is indeed, maybe we are reliving our own Movies we were present in from before - to Learn via ongoing edification? Or, If Heaven is Real, if the afterlife is Credible, How would the Angels in Heaven Know they Died to begin with & are already "Dead" in Heaven? Like, I presume that the Countless Angels would not even feel like they died, they might be more alive than Everyone on earth, or I imagine this is possible. So, & just because Scientists say the Diameter of the Visible Universe is 93 billion light years, it might be similar to Gut Bacteria if they could see inside an arts stomach & saying, "That is the End of Observable Universe." And many Gut Bacteria might agree because they are Stuck inside that ants digestive system. But what I am saying is that, Nothing is Universal that isn't Ubiquitously Real at All points in Universe. But the Speed of Light isn't even Constant, it varies upon the medium it's passing through & it varies with Energy & Gravity & such, but ~186k miles/second (I believe it's that figure & not 186 million miles per second) is probably Only what some humans ascribed that value. But I have heard that the Speed of Light has been slowed down to almost stagnation in the Laboratory, & apparently the Impossible Engine is capable of making the thrust being Faster than Light, or superluminal. So what is it, is there a Constant for Speed of Light or not? I suppose many factors are involved, not just there being the Vacuum of "empty" Space. So, if this is Correct about No Standard Speed of Light, then that would throw many other Relative Calculations as being Relative once again. So, I am not saying I know what is Real, I can only believe there is something Real to begin with & then progress from that point. But I know that if anything is real or not, there is much deception to wade through, the quagmire of qualms that are either misinformation or disinformation, then trying to use what is left to put the puzzle together little by little. But even then, you should be skeptical of the puzzle pieces being in order, it might seem so, but then later not. So, an Expanding Creation or Not, who's to even say that the whole of Creation hasn't already imploded & everyone is having virtual Reruns to see, like Life flashing before the Eyes? Maybe it is an illusion, maybe even Physicality is illusory in essence? Or just that what seems as physical isn't the dominant force of life, but a byproduct of Spiritual things. Because if the Physical is the Impetus of Spirituality or vice versa, I presume it is moot. Like, are we physical because we're spiritual or spiritual because we're physical? What if these things cannot be separated at all, what if they are adjoining, juxtaposed at the seams? And even Atheists presume there is No God, so that takes Faith to believe, as it is Not able to be proven by scientists, especially if they have predisposed biases & cannot even admit that Creation is inductitive of a Creator, & they are claiming to be intelligent. Also, many so-called Scientists cannot be trusted more than a con artist, as it is evident that many have lied to gain wealth or for nefarious agendas. And many scientists have (had) Faith that what they are being taught by Agents of Agendas is actually true, so many scientists have been duped to believe what is False. So, many even believe they are doing good, while inadvertently they give people poisons that have detrimental effects. So just because someone has a college degree, it doesn't mean they Know anything that wasn't taught to them by Agenda Agents, so they might only be regurgitating what was spoofed to them. So, I don't believe any people with college degrees should be Trusted just Because of their degree, especially if it is dealing with your health & wellbeing, etc.. Not that many aren't trying to help, but  they might be making things worse via prescription meds & such. So, I don't buy the logic that says, This person has a college degree in medicine, so they Are Experts on what is pertinent to Healthcare. Just like a Scientist, they cannot be trusted just because they have a doctorates degree in say biology. Or whatever sciences. Because college educated people are fallible in many ways, regardless their training & education & equipment, etc.. And I am just saying, Don't believe anyone because they are an "authority" per like college education, but also that same person arguably isn't less informed than others who are not degreed in such, but I don't trust anyone just because they have a college degree, I want to see copious evidence for their claims, not just because They Said so. But if I were to want help learning how to grow medicinal mushrooms for Holistic medicines to help remedy bodily ailments, a mycologist would be better person to inquire than say a person who works in a telemarketing group selling Insurance or whatever, I would be more poised towards the mycologist than the telemarketer, but the telemarketer might Not be a Bad source if they were homeschooled via many years of study & cultivation. I'm just giving examples. So, I am saying, Be Weary, don't believe "authorities" Just Because, & if the Creation is 100% Conscious & (a)Live, even in inanimate materials, I suppose that a Living Breathing Intelligent Creation is Not far fetched If Creation was Created by such an Intelligence as Creator. I believe that the Creator who Fashioned all the Fine Tunings, albeit I am most ignorant about much, should not be dismissed or underestimated at the Scope of Intelligences abounding - that might be vastly more profound than what can ever be known to the finite peoples. But at the end of the day, I believe that a Living Breathing Creation is Not foolish to presume, I just wish I was better, but I also know that I deserve Much worse than what Creator Gave by opposite of What is meritorious. So, I am giving the glory to Creator, I hope I can either get better or die trying. But regardless, I know that whether I live or die, the Only One to live & die for is the Only One. But it cannot be articulated by a layman like I am.

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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: My Elysium Trips] * 1
    #24888855 - 01/04/18 01:35 AM (6 years, 26 days ago)

It seems to me that the universe is 13.3 billion lightyears and expanding, not 93 billion. Of course, one does not quantify a dreamscape and wonder if the dream is occurring within a human skull, as if consciousness is contained by space-time. So the universe is said to be God's dream, at least in Vaishnavite Hinduism where Vishnu dreams Brahma who creates the universe. Myths and dreams both emanate from the unconscious, so these ideas are related. We, and everything we physically encounter is real relative to our physical selves, but under the mythic idiom, we are as ephemeral to God as our dreams are to our waking life. We are all woven from the same fabric of space-time, and so our infinitesimal physical bodies, made from atoms that were forged from dying stars, is co-extensive with the rest of the expanding universe. In a sense the entire universe is our body. We choose to separate ourselves based on the surface of our skin, but we are immersed in air, water, earth, or even fire at times (no returning from some of these immersions if they are burials or immolations). The physical is recycled, maybe the psychic aspects too. Whatever we are, or what remains, and in what forms, is never separate from the physical universe of space-time. Could be that the flip side of Reality is consciousness and that consciousness is ontologically prior to space-time. 'Something' originated the Big Bang, and I like to think that God = Consciousness. Btw, do learn to use paragraphs when writing. Most people will not read a block like you've written.


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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #24907835 - 01/12/18 11:56 AM (6 years, 18 days ago)

If we survive, we speculate we have 5 billion more years to figure that and an escape plan out.

I don't personally believe death is possible.  It is change that is highly likely.  Controlling or desire to control change creates some resistance.  Resistance dulls the desires actions of change.  Or at least the perceptions of desired actions.


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