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Theory of a breathing universe 1
#22177950 - 09/02/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not that long ago, the thought of a "breathing" universe occurred to me and I thought I'd share it with you.
We all know the universe is rapidly expanding as we speak, even more so at an ever increasing pace. I suspect that the speed at which the universe is expanding will eventually begin to slow down until the speed of expansion reaches zero. The universe will thus have naturally reached its peak size. After remaining in a "short" quasi state of equilibrium, the universe will then begin its contraction at the exact same speed of the aforementioned expansion. Meaning that the contraction will start slowly, yet again at an ever increasing pace. Eventually the whole universe is going to be concentrated in one single spot, only to once again start its expansion phase. So the cycle repeats itself, thus "breathing universe". The big bang would then accordingly have been the ignition to this breathing cycle. What do you think of this theory? Have you ever had similar thoughts on our cosmos? Please share your views!
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin]
#22177968 - 09/02/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is speculation, not a theory. Regardless, the notion of a "big crunch" is not new. But with space expansion accelerating the evidence does not support the notion of a big crunch.
I prefer to let observations of nature and the universe inform us on its behavior, rather than projecting my intuition onto nature and the universe.
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin] 1
#22178034 - 09/02/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The theory is called 'The Oscillating Universe Model' and it is actually Hindu cosmology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_cosmology
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MarkostheGnostic said: The theory is called 'The Oscillating Universe Model' and it is actually Hindu cosmology.
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@DieCommie I agree, it's just speculation on my behalf. Maybe I shouldn't have used the term theory, but so what? Just throwing an idea out here. Anyway, I too, prefer observations instead of intuition when it comes to finding the truth. Yet when it comes to starting a discussion I don't mind a little speculation. So what do you believe in?
@MarkostheGnostic Wow, I wasn't aware of those. Thanks for sharing. Particularly the Hindu cosmology is interesting to note. It's simply fascinating how "close" a faith-based cosmology system can come to actual science, especially considering how old this is. So what's your take on life and the universe?
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin]
#22187728 - 09/04/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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@MarkostheGnostic Wow, I wasn't aware of those. Thanks for sharing. Particularly the Hindu cosmology is interesting to note. It's simply fascinating how "close" a faith-based cosmology system can come to actual science, especially considering how old this is. So what's your take on life and the universe?
I'm still a student at age 62. My thought on mythology and cosmology is that in the former, Reality is mediated through the faculty of Intuition whereas in the latter, it is mediated through the Thinking function (using Jung's Intuition-Sensing-Thinking-Feeling categories). On my birthday many years ago I was visiting a childhood friend in New Hampshire and he took me to an Indian restaurant in Concord. We argued from the perspectives of mythology (my side) and cosmology (he is a physicist). When we left the restaurant, the car parked directly in front of the door had a license plate that read COSMOS! We were both mind-blown for the synchronicity, BUT before we came to his car we spied yet another license plate which read MYTHOS! I don't even have words to describe THAT level of synchronicity.
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Wow, that is a hell of an interesting story you've just shared. The perfect story to illustrate the effect of synchronicity. Or rather causality? Key word: chaos theory.
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin]
#22188583 - 09/04/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baeocystin said: Wow, that is a hell of an interesting story you've just shared. The perfect story to illustrate the effect of synchronicity. Or rather causality? Key word: chaos theory. 
See Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle by C.G. Jung Meanwhile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity and for a beautiful example, this from the man who inspired Jung:
http://www.ralphmag.org/BN/why.html
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I've had some pretty unlikely synchronicities too. I want to believe there was something more behind it then mere coincidence but I have yet to find any conclusive evidence.
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Cognitive_Shift said: I've had some pretty unlikely synchronicities too. I want to believe there was something more behind it then mere coincidence but I have yet to find any conclusive evidence.
Good God man, they speak for themselves! No matter how 'solid' life appears, it's all relative to the rest of us illusions. Getting shot or falling off a cliff in dreams hurts the dream-ego. Waking life is still God's dream and we're all characters in that dream as far as I can guess. What more do you need to realize that all of this is a dream of 'The Architect,' and we're all still in need of a major Awakening (death perhaps)?
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: WScott]
#22192555 - 09/05/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This post is simply is simply for those who may find this interesting!
"The moment Creation appeared, the entire cosmos became automatically goal-directed – designed for the sole purpose of evolving self-conscious and eventually God-Self-conscious life. This self-evident fact is missed by scientists, creationists, Darwinists and proponents of intelligent design in considering the origins of the universe and human life.
The Universe naturally expands and collapses after billions of years in what is called Maha-pralaya, Maha meaning 'great' and pralaya meaning 'collapse.' It then rests in the vacuum state for billions of years before expanding again, and after so many billions of years conscious organisms again form which will lead again the evolution of consciousness in the seven worlds of stone, plant, insect, worm, bird, animal and finally human form again appears on some earth as the shock point of the creation.
The expansion and contraction of the universe are like the clapping of hands, pulling them apart and clapping over and over. This is how the Universe works, simplistically put."
The following is from Meher Baba
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One cycle is twelve thousand million years [12,000,000,000 – 12 billion years]. Scientists know nothing at all about cycles, but this hint will open their eyes. The evolution of THIS world began two billion years ago and evolution, which started from the nebula, will last until the completion of the cycle – when the Mahapralaya (the total dissolution of the universe) will take place. Scientists will never know when the universe began. The most they will be able to discover with advanced telescopes is when the last expansion of the universe took place. There have been countless Mahapralayas over the course of the universe's history. The human form has been evolving for millions of years and will continue to evolve. After a billion years, man will only be five inches in height at the most but will be very brainy. In the beginning of this cycle, man was fourteen feet tall and would live up to three hundred years.
If I were answer that the first man came upon this earth eighty-four million years ago, what would that mean to you? But the whole explanation will make you understand how the first man evolved, and how this first-evolved man has repeatedly, millions of times, been appearing not only on this earth, but on millions of earths [that have come, burned out and gone]. And so he is ageless, timeless. But this has all to be explained properly.
The Book which I personally wrote [1925-6] when I had just stopped speaking and which I wrote in one year . . . explains this point clearly. It is important for the world and the scientists to know, and therefore I have explained about cycles, the position of the earth for Realization, the earth dying and the simultaneous evolution of another earth – not just any other planet; when was the first human being evolved, when was the first Realized Being, whether the chicken or the egg came first – all has been revealed in detail in that Book [which is as yet unpublished and not available yet to the public, possibly in the last quarter of this century]. These are Excerpts from the biography of Avatar Meher Baba, Lord Meher p. 4070 http://www.lordmeher.org type in page number on left side search bar.
I have the actual experience of it today and feel the universe and creation emanating and projecting out of me. I feel all today that which I had a mere glimpse of then. Creation evolves and involves only re-evolving again. It is a never-ending game! I’ve explained it all in detail in my book. Even scientists will be astonished to learn the secrets explained there – not vague talks, but facts, substantiated and supported by scientific arguments. It will be the future Bible – not in the literal sense – but a book of understanding for people of all religions. [Lord Meher p. 1606–07]
The Creation-point is a finite point. And out of this finite point the whole of the infinite creation is issuing forth. It is a continuing process; there is no end to it. Out of a Speck in the infinity, called the Creation-point, has sprung forth this whole creation in various stages. This world of ours is nothing but a most finite speck in the Speck. Although to you it appears to be worlds and universes, for me it is nothing – not even a tiny speck. Scientists will gradually come to know what I have been saying for many years and am repeating today. It is not possible to see all the universes and worlds. They are not visible even with the most modern means. Nor will it be possible for man to reach them or contact them; yet, scientists will come to know about it. [Lord Meher p. 6005]
Scientists understand evolution from the first life to the last human life, but none knows why this evolution of forms takes place. After human life what is there? The scientists know nothing! It is due to the evolution of consciousness that all forms evolve. For example, take the body as consciousness and clothes as the body. Now, the size of this shirt is according to your body. If a hand is cut off tomorrow, the shirt might be minus one sleeve. So, due to consciousness the body changes.
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin]
#22202035 - 09/07/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a fascinating theory. Although expansion does sounds scientifically feasible, I believe that entropy wouldn't allow for the collapse to be so organized in such a way to create a single source. I may be thinking too much in mathematical terms so might be incorrect. Perhaps, our cosmos are far most advanced beyond mathematical comprehension.
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Ryker] 1
#22202205 - 09/07/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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#1 post! Congratulations!
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Thank you Markos!
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Ryker]
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: DieCommie]
#24853720 - 12/18/17 01:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi!
I actually have, and have written the same thoughts for 2 months ago. Then, yesterday I found an article which says that a physicist has presented a similar idea. After that I reposted my post, and when someone commented saying that the idea about "breathing universe" have been in ages; I found your comment.
Here is my profile, where you can read my posts about it.: https://plus.google.com/+ShqiponjaAquilaEa
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Arising-1]
#24854087 - 12/18/17 04:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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beautiful idea and it makes perfect sense to me.
the universe is constantly expanding and contracting, always renewing itself. birth, life and death only to be recreated again with a vast new set of experiences and possibilities. How cool is that?
I wonder if physical laws are the same or if each renewal the structure, laws etc. of the universe are unique and different from the previous cycle. Too much mere speculation haha so much I wish I knew..
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: isthisreaI]
#24854585 - 12/18/17 07:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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As an alternative to the Big Bang theory the hyperspherical universe idea is certainly an interesting one, and the expansion/collapse may be more complicated than say something as simple as a balloon, at least
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A hyperspherical universe would have a definite shape, although we cannot easily visualise it, and it would not have infinite extent and all the paradoxes and nonsense that go with the idea of infinite anything. However a hyperspherical universe would collapse in on itself, so Einstein added a fudge factor he called the cosmological constant which had anti-gravity effects to prevent it doing so. His looked grossly inelegant, so Godel suggested instead that it could remain stable if it rotated. However if it rotated in the same sort of way that planets rotate about stars then astronomers would easily notice the effect, and they hadn’t.
Then Hubble came up with the red-shift to distance relationship and the Hyperspherical Universe model became generally abandoned in favour of an Expanding Universe model. Finally the discovery of the CMBR seemed to settle the issue as evidence of the remnant of a primeval fireball following the Big Bang.
However several features of a hypersphere seem to have become overlooked in the rush to form a new theory and these features can account for the non-collapse of the universe, the red-shifts, and the CMBR. Moreover they can also explain the apparent acceleration of the apparent expansion, the apparently anomalous rotation of galaxies, and the mysterious deceleration of our space probes as well. This paper will deal with each of these effects in turn: A ‘rotating’ universe. Godel found a solution to Einstein’s equations of general relativity that allowed for a rotating universe:
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As Above, So Below, as Hermes Trismegistus apparently wrote on his Emerald Tablet. I haven’t a clue how to derive the hyperspin equation: w = (2piGM/V)^1/2 from the fearsome field equations, but I have a strong intuitive feeling that it does constitute a valid and exact solution because it gives such a beautiful result with such explanatory power.
P.S. I suspect that the spacetime GR matrices may require a 6 x 6 rather than a 4 x 4 expression to allow a complete unification with quantum physics.
http://www.specularium.org/component/k2/item/107-vhc-vorticitating-hypersphere-cosmology
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Re: Theory of a breathing universe [Re: Baeocystin]
#24863362 - 12/23/17 07:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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It isn't actually breathing, but it is possible and interesting. There is too much speculation out there to be sure of anything regarding cosmic origin. I like the idea that the universe will go through a phase transition when it gets cooler from expansion.Spacetime will take a whole other novel form as it cools like water transitioning to a solid
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