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Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants
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However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems.
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
Thoughts... words on what you think are welcomed. Obviously there are exceptions not EVERY person thinks this way. The majority of people I know complain about the illegal immigrants but not one person I know wants to get rid of their illegal drugs.
What do you think?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems.
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
Thoughts... words on what you think are welcomed. Obviously there are exceptions not EVERY person thinks this way. The majority of people I know complain about the illegal immigrants but not one person I know wants to get rid of their illegal drugs.
What do you think?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Bitter Cactus]
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No one wants to smuggle drugs up the ass either
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
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I would say a decent amount of people want to get rid of the drugs.
Like the DEA. And stuff.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: No one wants to smuggle drugs up the ass either
You right. You ever watch locked up abroad? Those yo yo's go to prison for it to. Only if they would of shoved the drugs up their ass's right? ahhahaha
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I'm all for home grown drugs.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
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MinnesnowtaNice said: I would say a decent amount of people want to get rid of the drugs.
Like the DEA. And stuff.
Pshhh... can we count them as people? The DEA is a bunch of criminals with protection of the law (I say this with out literal means. I mean this to express my dislike for them)
I feel what the DEA does is very very wrong on so many levels. Most people I know do drugs or used to. Maybe my view is skewed because of this!
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I was just trying to be sarcastic lol
People care man. But I don't.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
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MinnesnowtaNice said: I would say a decent amount of people want to get rid of the drugs.
Like the DEA. And stuff.
WAIT! They do want to get rid of their illegal drugs. Thats why they take them from people right!? Not to resale them on the street or for personal use... They must take them and destroy the drugs right?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22175952 - 09/01/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm all for immigrants as long as they aren't government-subsidized and are paying taxes which is really what illegality comes back to.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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MinnesnowtaNice said: I would say a decent amount of people want to get rid of the drugs.
Like the DEA. And stuff.
WAIT! They do want to get rid of their illegal drugs. Thats why they take them from people right!? Not to resale them on the street or for personal use... They must take them and destroy the drugs right?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Detached]
#22175996 - 09/01/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Detached said: I'm all for immigrants as long as they aren't government-subsidized and are paying taxes which is really what illegality comes back to.
I hear ya! It seem's many people I know are for the Donald Trump style- his way to take care of them. That is to round up miiilllionnss of people. I think its like 15 million people! And to just deport them. I feel that is GREATLY impossible!!!!
It would take authoritarian state. I lean towards what/how Ron Paul feels about the situation.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22176008 - 09/01/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We all know they probably resale that shit. Have you seen the new Silk road documentary! Very good. It is said the movie all sorts of divisions benefits from illegal drugs and thats why they want to keep them illegal. I feel immigrants are a minor issue compared to this issue yet MORE people seem to concern on immigrants instead of drugs.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Detached said: I'm all for immigrants as long as they aren't government-subsidized and are paying taxes which is really what illegality comes back to.
I hear ya! It seem's many people I know are for the Donald Trump style- his way to take care of them. That is to round up miiilllionnss of people. I think its like 15 million people! And to just deport them. I feel that is GREATLY impossible!!!!
It would take authoritarian state. I lean towards what/how Ron Paul feels about the situation.
Maybe this is what JADE HELM15 is training for... The map focuses on some major border states for the exercise and it is basically martial law training
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems.
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
Thoughts... words on what you think are welcomed. Obviously there are exceptions not EVERY person thinks this way. The majority of people I know complain about the illegal immigrants but not one person I know wants to get rid of their illegal drugs.
What do you think?
what is this? This is a strange way of analyzing things wouldn't you think?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Lofetospoon9]
#22176029 - 09/01/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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im all for the mexicans to do the labor jobs. I just don't want the asians and others to take the upper level jobs. and all drugs should be legal.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Lofetospoon9]
#22176061 - 09/01/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are both illegal. I feel illegal drugs are more of a problem for the majority of us (any one who uses a illegal substances or cares about restoring freedoms and a sound libertarian free market), than illegal immigrants. I say the majority.. well because.. you know some people might have different experiences. For example I have seen a women on the news she/the news said a illegal immigrant killed her son. To her illegal immigrants are worse of a problem than illegal drugs are to a mother who lost her child to the the drug war with other people or police. I think more crime comes from illegal drugs tho than illegal immigrants. It's all terrible and a tough situation in both scenarios.
I'm for Legalizing all drugs. I feel we need a Libertarian leader to handle the immigrant situation. It is a tough thing to take care of. However some people want to round up millions of people and deport them such as Donald Trump wants. I just cant see this as of EVER working. It's un realistic.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
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Hey you see things as I do within substances! Lets legalize all drugs. I have told some people this before.. they literally think im crazy!!!
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] 1
#22176083 - 09/01/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Throw out the illegal immigrant leeches and legalize the drugs, it would make for a much better country.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Mescalean]
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Detached said: I'm all for immigrants as long as they aren't government-subsidized and are paying taxes which is really what illegality comes back to.
I hear ya! It seem's many people I know are for the Donald Trump style- his way to take care of them. That is to round up miiilllionnss of people. I think its like 15 million people! And to just deport them. I feel that is GREATLY impossible!!!!
It would take authoritarian state. I lean towards what/how Ron Paul feels about the situation.
Maybe this is what JADE HELM15 is training for... The map focuses on some major border states for the exercise and it is basically martial law training
I have never heard of that before. Any reputable video references will be appreciated. I'm completely against martial law. I believe we have a right to our own lives and self. It's also why I'm against the IRS and income tax along with the draft. We should have the rights to the fruit of our own labor! And a right to our own lives! A income tax is a assumption that we are property of the state. We are not property!
reason for edit - spell correction
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!!
No one? I think most people are against drug trafficking more than illegal immigration.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Space Elf]
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!!
No one does? I think most people are against drug trafficking more than illegal immigration.
"However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems."
lol It's weird isn't it? It's such a weird world!
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22176216 - 09/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
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Drugs don't cause crime, prohibition does. Alcohol causes a fair amount of crime but all the other drugs the crime is to get money to pay the high prices of prohibition. There is almost no crime actually cause by the drugs.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye]
#22176243 - 09/01/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
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Drugs don't cause crime, prohibition does. Alcohol causes a fair amount of crime but all the other drugs the crime is to get money to pay the high prices of prohibition. There is almost no crime actually cause by the drugs.
I feel ya man, its ashame that it is /they are (drugs) crime, being punishable by law. However can we consider something a crime if it goes unseen? I think we can but some people would argue that we can't. Is crime in it's honest defense only considered crime by its rate?
These are things I like to think about. Right now I view crime as crime rather it goes unseen or not. That's just my current views.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye]
#22176255 - 09/01/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The late great Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman thought we should legalize them. He made a pretty good case.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye]
#22176261 - 09/01/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If a drug its self is a crime, just 'its existence' as is, can we say that it has not caused a crime just by being in existence(the substance)? If so, would it still be a crime or would its result of causing crime go away if in the hands of a authority figure such as the DEA or police?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Astral Pain]
#22176266 - 09/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mum say 'lize 'em make 'em pay taxes
i say kick them the fuck out cuz they dont wanna 'symalate
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Astral Pain]
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Astral Pain said: The late great Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman thought we should legalize them. He made a pretty good case.
That was a great video. I watched the entire thing and shall share with friends!
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Dude drugs and immigrants are apples and oranges. This doesnt make any sense. And hold no merit.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Shroomslip]
#22182356 - 09/03/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I'm all for home grown drugs.
I'm all for home grown illegal immigrants.

On a serious note, there's said to be 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. That number is way off and closer to double that; roughly 20 million.
That's ~8% of the American population.
Think about that for a minute, 8% of the American population is made up of illegal immigrants. What do you think would happen if they suddenly all vanished tomorrow?
Most local economies would crumble leading to the national economy going on the fritz as well.
I'm very opposed to illegal immigration but I don't believe that "getting rid of all of them" is going to solve any problems. They will keep coming and that's a fact.
Something needs to be done where they are forced to go though the proper channels to become permanent residents and/or eventually citizens. The problem with what I think should happen is that most illegals don't have the money available to go through the proper channels, so they basically end up stealing from American's pockets.
Maybe making it easier to become a resident or citizen is something we need to look into. People will continue coming here no matter what. If a ridiculous, giant wall was erected, the Mexicans would slow their progress into this country, but what about the millions of other illegals that come here from dozens if not hundreds of different countries around the world?
I really don't know what the answer is, nor do I think anyone in government does currently. I just want to hear some good ideas on how to rectify the problem.
Simply stating that you don't like 8% of the population because they came to this country to make a better life for themselves and their families illegaly is pretty damn ignorant in my eyes. An incredibly vague generalization that resembles saying you hate every illegal drug there is because after all, it's illegal.
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems.
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
drugs dont cause crime any more than forks cause obesity
people cause crimes
illegal aliens are people
now for this...
let me ask, if illegals are here illegally and they work under the table, the only taxes they pay are sales tax since they obviously wont be filing a 1099
isnt that money from the government coffers?
if the illegals are working illegally but paying into the system via payroll deduct, how exactly are they doing it, wouldnt they need a social security number? the dont issue SSNs to illegals so wouldnt they be having to use the information for someone else? isnt that identity theft? as I recall, that's a criminal act, a felony in most if not all states... so now we have illegals adding to the crime rate
now i those SSNs the illegals are using belong to living people doesnt that fuck those people on things such as their SSI benefits, disability and in the case of low income people, their welfare/food stamps that they may need to support their children, those that are working and paying in are now paying for 2 jobs which places them in a higher tax bracket that they're unaware of because they arent actually working that second job, now the IRS places liens against their property and files charges for tax evasion in which hey have to pay a lawyer to get shit straightened out... so these illegal now have a felony they're committing and they're fucking citizens... felonious fuckery
so wait... they arent working under the table, they arent going the identity theft route, so that means thy must surely be collecting some government benefit, I know, the feds tell us that's illegal but those little anchor babies manage to get their parents on government assistance because the babies are citizens. now these illegals are collecting government aid which could be going to help those in need... again, it's a crime
oh, so they arent working under or over the table, they arent collecting governemnt assistance, then how exactly do they make their money? I mean I'm not aware of anyone that's got charitable organizations supporting them to the extent of paying the bills, feeding, clothing, housing and providing them transportation, of coourse if you know that 20 million of them are being supported in this way then maybe you should hook us up with that info because the only other option would be criminal activity such as robbery/burglary/drugs
once more, criminal activity from illegals, many of whom have anchor babies that they exploit to keep committing the crimes without deportation
tell us again how illegals dont contribute to the crime rate
tell us again how they arent hurting citizens
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kr0nik0 said: Think about that for a minute, 8% of the American population is made up of illegal immigrants. What do you think would happen if they suddenly all vanished tomorrow?
Most local economies would crumble leading to the national economy going on the fritz as well.
how many jobs would soon be available? how much money would employers be willing to offer to fill those jobs because at this point it becomes a seekers market.
illegal immigration has had a huge impact on maintaining low wages, wages for construction laborers havent increased in 30 years, how does that play into the whole living wage pile of crap people wanna push. oust the illegals and employers are forced to compete for labor, competition means higher wages
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I think a lot of people don't understand that many undocumented workers do pay taxes, if they get payroll via a bogus social security number they pay taxes.
Just seems no one ever mentions this. I agree with kroniko they need to be able to achieve citizenship through the right way, maybe that way needs to be adjusted.
What is happening in Europe right now is the same thing we have going on here, they flee their homes because they want a chance at a real life.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Prisoner#1]
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10's if not 100's of thousands of positions would become available. I still think that local economies would have a lot of trouble adjusting immediately, but over time of course it would be for the best if there were no illegals here.
I agree with you on those points but I just don't see how you make 20 million people vanish at the drop of a hat. Especially considering that our government doesn't have any record of half of them ever even being here.
If there's a easy way to make that happen, I'm all for it.
I think you may have read some of my previous posts regarding illegal immigration. It's something very close to my heart and something I really despise.
I just don't see an easy solution unfortunately.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante]
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People complain about illegal immigrants but how much are they really affecting your life? Is your life so bad because they want a better life? Sure, people complain their hard-earned money ends up in their pockets and they 'don't work' (hah) for the benefits they receive... But seriously, is it really making your life terrible? Are they making it impossible for you to afford your food and clothes? I don't see why we can't mind our own business. It's not our job to play god or claim land which is 'ours' away from fellow earthlings.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: kr0nik0]
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kr0nik0 said: 10's if not 100's of thousands of positions would become available. I still think that local economies would have a lot of trouble adjusting immediately, but over time of course it would be for the best if there were no illegals here.
I agree with you on those points but I just don't see how you make 20 million people vanish at the drop of a hat. Especially considering that our government doesn't have any record of half of them ever even being here.
If there's a easy way to make that happen, I'm all for it.
I think you may have read some of my previous posts regarding illegal immigration. It's something very close to my heart and something I really despise.
I just don't see an easy solution unfortunately.
The solution really isn't that difficult, get rid of the anchor baby policy like all developed nations have done in the past 20 years, get rid of the freebies, and go after the employers that hire them.
If they are any left after those polices are put into place, you deport them.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Akeldama]
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 what part of illegal alien dont you understand
they don't even have identities
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Akeldama]
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Akeldama said: People complain about illegal immigrants but how much are they really affecting your life? Is your life so bad because they want a better life? Sure, people complain their hard-earned money ends up in their pockets and they 'don't work' (hah) for the benefits they receive... But seriously, is it really making your life terrible? Are they making it impossible for you to afford your food and clothes? I don't see why we can't mind our own business. It's not our job to play god or claim land which is 'ours' away from fellow earthlings.
They create an excess pool of labor, that brings down wages for EVERYONE, they also use 7 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, that brings down the standard of living for ALL US citizens.
"I don't see why we can't mind our own business"
They have invaded the US, now it's our business.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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ReposadoXochipilli said: I think a lot of people don't understand that many undocumented workers do pay taxes, if they get payroll via a bogus social security number they pay taxes.
Just seems no one ever mentions this. I agree with kroniko they need to be able to achieve citizenship through the right way, maybe that way needs to be adjusted.
What is happening in Europe right now is the same thing we have going on here, they flee their homes because they want a chance at a real life.
People in low wage jobs do not pay enough in taxes to make up for what they consume in services and like Pris said if they are paying taxes they have stolen someone's identification. Further, around here, illegals in construction work for cash.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye] 1
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Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
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Drugs don't cause crime, prohibition does. Alcohol causes a fair amount of crime but all the other drugs the crime is to get money to pay the high prices of prohibition. There is almost no crime actually cause by the drugs.
If drugs don't cause crime then neither does alcohol. If alcohol causes crime then so do drugs.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems.
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
drugs dont cause crime any more than forks cause obesity
people cause crimes
illegal aliens are people
now for this...
let me ask, if illegals are here illegally and they work under the table, the only taxes they pay are sales tax since they obviously wont be filing a 1099
isnt that money from the government coffers?
if the illegals are working illegally but paying into the system via payroll deduct, how exactly are they doing it, wouldnt they need a social security number? the dont issue SSNs to illegals so wouldnt they be having to use the information for someone else? isnt that identity theft? as I recall, that's a criminal act, a felony in most if not all states... so now we have illegals adding to the crime rate
now i those SSNs the illegals are using belong to living people doesnt that fuck those people on things such as their SSI benefits, disability and in the case of low income people, their welfare/food stamps that they may need to support their children, those that are working and paying in are now paying for 2 jobs which places them in a higher tax bracket that they're unaware of because they arent actually working that second job, now the IRS places liens against their property and files charges for tax evasion in which hey have to pay a lawyer to get shit straightened out... so these illegal now have a felony they're committing and they're fucking citizens... felonious fuckery
so wait... they arent working under the table, they arent going the identity theft route, so that means thy must surely be collecting some government benefit, I know, the feds tell us that's illegal but those little anchor babies manage to get their parents on government assistance because the babies are citizens. now these illegals are collecting government aid which could be going to help those in need... again, it's a crime
oh, so they arent working under or over the table, they arent collecting governemnt assistance, then how exactly do they make their money? I mean I'm not aware of anyone that's got charitable organizations supporting them to the extent of paying the bills, feeding, clothing, housing and providing them transportation, of coourse if you know that 20 million of them are being supported in this way then maybe you should hook us up with that info because the only other option would be criminal activity such as robbery/burglary/drugs
once more, criminal activity from illegals, many of whom have anchor babies that they exploit to keep committing the crimes without deportation
tell us again how illegals dont contribute to the crime rate
tell us again how they arent hurting citizens
I feel ya, I feel ya.
Here's some stuff within relation to drugs and crime. on Wiki :
"In 2002, in the U.S. about a quarter of convicted property and drug offenders in local jails had committed their crimes to get money for drugs, compared to 5% of violent and public order offenders. Among State prisoners in 2004 the pattern was similar, with property (30%) and drug offenders (26%) more likely to commit their crimes for drug money than violent (10%) and public-order offenders (7%). In Federal prisons property offenders (11%) were less than half as likely as drug offenders (25%) to report drug money as a motive in their offenses.
In 2004, 17% of U.S. State prisoners and 18% of Federal inmates said they committed their current offense to obtain money for drugs. These percentages represent a slight increase for Federal prisoners (16% in 1997) and a slight decrease for State prisoners (19% in 1997)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug-related_crime
This is only documented crime, not unseen crime of course.
Here is Crime in relation to immigration. There does seem to be some confusion on the subject -
A 2008 study by the Public Policy Institute of California, found that, "...on average, between 2000 and 2005, cities that had a higher share of recent immigrants (those arriving between 2000 and 2005) saw their crime rates fall further than cities with a lower share" but adds, "As with most studies, we do not have ideal data. This lack of data restricts the questions we will be able to answer. In particular, we cannot focus on the undocumented population explicitly".[181] In a study released by the same Institute, immigrants were ten times less likely to be incarcerated than native born Americans.[182]
Explanations for the lower incarceration rates of immigrants include:
Legal immigrants are screened for criminality prior to entry. Legal and illegal immigrants who commit serious crimes are being deported and therefore are unable to commit more crimes (unlike their US counterparts who remain in the US). They are unlikely to become "career criminals" moving in and out of the prison system. In the last 10 years, 816,000 criminal aliens have been removed from the United States. This does not include immigrants whose only offense was living or working illegally in the United States.[183] Immigrants understand the severe consequences of being arrested given their legal status (i.e. threat of deportation). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Crime
Here is information geared towards illegal immigration in specific -
A 2008 report by the non-partisan Public Policy Institute of California analyzes crime and immigration in California. Since most criminals are young adults, the study considered the proportion of foreign-born young adults in the general population compared to those in the prison population. The researchers found that, while foreign born young adults represented about 35% of California's population, they represented only about 17% of the prison population. The study concludes, "immigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population."[179]
In a report published by the Congressional Research Service, illegal immigrants who have been released from custody have gone on to commit 16,226 other crimes between 2008 and mid-2011, including 19 murders, 142 sex crimes, and thousands of drunk-driving offenses, drug offenses, and felonies; roughly one in six illegal immigrants who were released were later arrested for committing crimes.[180] In a 2013 report by the Government Accountability Office, it reported that it had released just under sixty thousand aliens (59,837), just under three thousand (2,837) were convicted sex offenders.[181] In 2014, just over thirty thousand (30,558) aliens with criminal records were released back into the United States, including 250 with homicide convictions.[182] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Crime
I suppose even if we did/do look at drugs as the cause for crime or we just look at drug related crime in general or possession of a drug being a crime its self, it would be difficult to even compare the two, considering the illegal immigrants that commit crime and are caught are not incarcerated for more serious crime in general. However maybe there is another solution of a way to view this?
Are there more people possessing illegal drugs than there are illegal immigrants and the crimes they commit? Damn it I guess ill have to find a way to research this. Before I do that tho I need to make my self some coffee... ill be back.
Reason for edit - I added information
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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Just seems no one ever mentions this. I agree with kroniko they need to be able to achieve citizenship through the right way, maybe that way needs to be adjusted.
What is happening in Europe right now is the same thing we have going on here, they flee their homes because they want a chance at a real life.
People in low wage jobs do not pay enough in taxes to make up for what they consume in services and like Pris said if they are paying taxes they have stolen someone's identification. Further, around here, illegals in construction work for cash.
just pointing out the fact that many do pay taxes, often the social security numbers they use are from deceased people as well.
seems to be a point many people refuse to acknowledge. i agree with you about day labor construction but there really is no difference if jim is working under the table vs juan. hell that is why i stick to food and beverage is about 70% of my wages are unclaimed...
i understand your points and don't disagree that it is a problem, just not sure how the proper way to effectively fix it would be. denying half of the situation and deciding to kick them all out is not a real solution, even if it was they would all be right back within a year at the longest.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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If you kick them out wages at the bottom will rise immediately. Government costs would decline (although I doubt the fucks will give any money back to the taxpayers) through less services.
There are two groups that want to keep them. The Dem Party who likes to get the bum vote and the Chamber of Commerce who likes it because they mistakenly believe the illegals help business owners. No, they fucking don't. You want to help usiness in America? Get rid of the Dept of Labor and change the idiotic tax system.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Illegal Immigrants and Methamphetamine both trim your lawn and paint your fence 
Hey man that's pretty funny. I know its true tho. hehe.
I have heard story's of fiends doing any job imaginable for the next batch. hehe
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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ReposadoXochipilli said: I think a lot of people don't understand that many undocumented workers do pay taxes, if they get payroll via a bogus social security number they pay taxes.
Just seems no one ever mentions this. I agree with kroniko they need to be able to achieve citizenship through the right way, maybe that way needs to be adjusted.
What is happening in Europe right now is the same thing we have going on here, they flee their homes because they want a chance at a real life.
People in low wage jobs do not pay enough in taxes to make up for what they consume in services and like Pris said if they are paying taxes they have stolen someone's identification. Further, around here, illegals in construction work for cash.
just pointing out the fact that many do pay taxes, often the social security numbers they use are from deceased people as well.
seems to be a point many people refuse to acknowledge. i agree with you about day labor construction but there really is no difference if jim is working under the table vs juan. hell that is why i stick to food and beverage is about 70% of my wages are unclaimed...
i understand your points and don't disagree that it is a problem, just not sure how the proper way to effectively fix it would be. denying half of the situation and deciding to kick them all out is not a real solution, even if it was they would all be right back within a year at the longest.
Even tho the people might be dead I don't like the idea of the illegal immigrants using their social security numbers. Seem's to bother me. Like its just dirty or disrespectful.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: It is also a felony.
That to. It seem's to bother me more of how disrespectful it it. I mean imagine if you died. Your family is still around somewhere.. maybe they moved. Then some one comes around and uses your info. It's like unrest. Disgust.
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That to. It seem's to bother me more of how disrespectful it it. I mean imagine if you died. Your family is still around somewhere.. maybe they moved. Then some one comes around and uses your info. It's like unrest. Disgust.
This is an emotional argument. This is the problem with debating illegal immigration. One side is arguing from emotion (don't like brown people, etc.) the other side from facts.
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I don't give a fuck what color they are. I want them all out including the Poles Irish and Ukrainians that are rife here.
This has nothing to do with race or country of origin. It has to do with invasion and disrespect and parasitism.
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It has to do with invasion and disrespect and parasitism.
Emotion. Emotion. Emotion.
The fact is they are integral to our economy and kicking them out would be spiting ourselves.
Alrhough, the economic collapse you could then blame on Obama is probably just too enticing.
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zappaisgod said: I don't give a fuck what color they are. I want them all out including the Poles Irish and Ukrainians that are rife here.
This has nothing to do with race or country of origin. It has to do with invasion and disrespect and parasitism.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Konyap]
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It has to do with invasion and disrespect and parasitism.
Emotion. Emotion. Emotion.
The fact is they are integral to our economy and kicking them out would be spiting ourselves.
Alrhough, the economic collapse you could then blame on Obama is probably just too enticing.
There is nothing emotional about it. They are cheaters. That is a fact.
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It has to do with invasion and disrespect and parasitism.
Emotion. Emotion. Emotion.
The fact is they are integral to our economy and kicking them out would be spiting ourselves.
Alrhough, the economic collapse you could then blame on Obama is probably just too enticing.
People like you just want open borders, you use the "economic collapse" hysteria to justify your extreme position.
"integral to our economy"
Cheap untaxed labor is NOT necessary, what a joke. Just admit it, you think everyone should be allowed to enter and the US and stay forever.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: koods]
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That to. It seem's to bother me more of how disrespectful it it. I mean imagine if you died. Your family is still around somewhere.. maybe they moved. Then some one comes around and uses your info. It's like unrest. Disgust.
This is an emotional argument. This is the problem with debating illegal immigration. One side is arguing from emotion (don't like brown people, etc.) the other side from facts.
I mean I hold a libertarian stand point on this. I think its a on going thing and we can only strive to reach solutions. Which there never may be one. I think rounding up over millions of people to deport them is impossible. We would need a authoritarian state to even attempt. I do see the need to take away some benefits. I do not see why we guarantee citizenship to them if they are born here from illegals. We already have a list of exceptions of when some one is born here they do not become a citizen.
I feel like disrespecting the dead in general is just wrong. To me it would not matter if illegal immigrants did the act of using a dead persons information or of the average joe down the street did it. I see what you are saying with emotion being involved, however we can only try out best right?
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It has to do with invasion and disrespect and parasitism.
Emotion. Emotion. Emotion.
The fact is they are integral to our economy and kicking them out would be spiting ourselves.
Alrhough, the economic collapse you could then blame on Obama is probably just too enticing.
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That to. It seem's to bother me more of how disrespectful it it. I mean imagine if you died. Your family is still around somewhere.. maybe they moved. Then some one comes around and uses your info. It's like unrest. Disgust.
This is an emotional argument. This is the problem with debating illegal immigration. One side is arguing from emotion (don't like brown people, etc.) the other side from facts.
Well, actually it's illegal because identity theft of a deceased person is an easy way to get bogus tax returns without even working or paying taxes. They can just take back the taxes they put in and even steal a little extra from the taxpayer too.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: D.M.T]
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Everyone gtfo.
I belong here as I was born here. That's what the last guy thought a while back as well. Doesn't always work out.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: LobsterSauce]
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I belong here as I was born here. That's what the last guy thought a while back as well. Doesn't always work out.
The idea is if some one was born and raised here, deportation is a insane idea because it would be like sending a person to a foreign nation. This is took into account. A Libertarian view would not stand for that idea- deporting a person who might of even came here at 5 or 6 years old and was raised here.
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Earlier I posted a video if you go back to the first page which (not always the same for all libertarians) but for the most part tells of a strong libertarian stand point of the situation.
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I belong here as I was born here. That's what the last guy thought a while back as well. Doesn't always work out.
The idea is if some one was born and raised here, deportation is a insane idea because it would be like sending a person to a foreign nation. This is took into account. A Libertarian view would not stand for that idea- deporting a person who might of even came here at 5 or 6 years old and was raised here.
That's really the fault of their parents, they entered the US illegally and gave birth, a anchor child is going to be striped of their citizenship and deported, just like what every developed nation does today.
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We'll the parents usually anchor themselves down in the country through marriage and then a keep a nukka in the country baby if they know what's good for them.
It's standard procedure.
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Eliminate the jobs for illegals and they will deport themselves. Those who don't, can be rounded up. I don't expect all to be gone in one year but the more the laws are enforced the better. As it is now under the idiot in the white house, there are more coming over every day.
We can reverse the flow, elect trump, he is the only one who will do it. Jeb won't do it, the bitch won't do it and biden or sanders won't do it. Only trump has the guts to do it.
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Stonehenge said: Eliminate the jobs for illegals and they will deport themselves. Those who don't, can be rounded up. I don't expect all to be gone in one year but the more the laws are enforced the better. As it is now under the idiot in the white house, there are more coming over every day.
We can reverse the flow, elect trump, he is the only one who will do it. Jeb won't do it, the bitch won't do it and biden or sanders won't do it. Only trump has the guts to do it.
This would require a green card for every one with verification. The Government would be going door to door. I think the idea is just impossible. If any one thinks the whats going on is crazy with the drug war?! Wait until they see Government start busting into houses under the suspicions that some one is housing a illegal immigrant!
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There is no excuse for the inability of the government record keepers to verify the description of the people using fraudulent IDs. They are incompetent tools. When Reagan signed the amnesty bullshit in the 80s there were supposed to be huge penalties for employers who cheated. Yeah. Didn't happen.
Here is who profits. Politicians. Cheating business owners. Illegal scum.
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hmmm.. I never thought of that, in the sense of they should be catching the fraudulent information while its processed. That would definitely help things.
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Stonehenge said: Eliminate the jobs for illegals and they will deport themselves. Those who don't, can be rounded up. I don't expect all to be gone in one year but the more the laws are enforced the better. As it is now under the idiot in the white house, there are more coming over every day.
We can reverse the flow, elect trump, he is the only one who will do it. Jeb won't do it, the bitch won't do it and biden or sanders won't do it. Only trump has the guts to do it.
This would require a green card for every one with verification. The Government would be going door to door. I think the idea is just impossible. If any one thinks the whats going on is crazy with the drug war?! Wait until they see Government start busting into houses under the suspicions that some one is housing a illegal immigrant!
The legals already have a green card or are citizens. You hire someone with no proof of citizenship, no green card and no valid ss number, you the employer should get big fines. Its not rocket science, its pretty easy. Cut off the employment and they deport themselves. The few who don't get rounded up and put in jail. No more limo rides to the border, hard jail time then they are deported to a destination of our choosing.
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I am very much in favor of sending the South Americans to Tierra del Fuego and the Europeans to Siberia regardless of country of origin.
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Stonehenge said: Eliminate the jobs for illegals and they will deport themselves. Those who don't, can be rounded up. I don't expect all to be gone in one year but the more the laws are enforced the better. As it is now under the idiot in the white house, there are more coming over every day.
We can reverse the flow, elect trump, he is the only one who will do it. Jeb won't do it, the bitch won't do it and biden or sanders won't do it. Only trump has the guts to do it.
This would require a green card for every one with verification. The Government would be going door to door. I think the idea is just impossible. If any one thinks the whats going on is crazy with the drug war?! Wait until they see Government start busting into houses under the suspicions that some one is housing a illegal immigrant!
The legals already have a green card or are citizens. You hire someone with no proof of citizenship, no green card and no valid ss number, you the employer should get big fines. Its not rocket science, its pretty easy. Cut off the employment and they deport themselves. The few who don't get rounded up and put in jail. No more limo rides to the border, hard jail time then they are deported to a destination of our choosing.
Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible. How many people where rounded up in the holocaust, something like 16-20 million? How did they do that, didn't they go door to door using guns demanding every one to come out so they could get the Jews out from amongst them?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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>Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible
If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.
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If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.
Ahahaha.
You still think its possible tho. I feel like that would just push many of them into doing other means for gaining money or what ever they do for work would just become illegal if not already. It will still exists. There are citizens here who make money threw illegal means with out a job. Some times for many decades with out getting caught, even with a warrant out for their arrests. What would lead a person to assume that a illegal immigrant who has learned English would not be able to do the same?
What is your supposed number of people who would be estimated to be left over? Is there a estimation of how many of those millions of people would leave on their own? Does Trump have sources for his estimations, or did they just make up some numbers?
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Stonehenge said: >Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible
If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.
Ahahaha.
You still think its possible tho. I feel like that would just push many of them into doing other means for gaining money or what ever they do for work would just become illegal if not already. It will still exists. There are citizens here who make money threw illegal means with out a job. Some times for many decades with out getting caught, even with a warrant out for their arrests. What would lead a person to assume that a illegal immigrant who has learned English would not be able to do the same?
What is your supposed number of people who would be estimated to be left over? Is there a estimation of how many of those millions of people would leave on their own? Does Trump have sources for his estimations, or did they just make up some numbers?
Take away their illegal employment, take away their freebies (health care, education, food stamps, welfare, public housing, ect.), and take away the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.
The one's that don't leave will be deported, it's really not that complicated.
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The anchor babies are constitutionally protected. Their parents are not. Out.
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zappaisgod said: The anchor babies are constitutionally protected.
That can be fixed, the rest of the developed world did it, so can the US.
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It still needs to be done.
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I'd love to see it but it aint happening Don Quixote.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm more Sancho, but thank you.
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Stonehenge said: >Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible
If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.
Ahahaha.
You still think its possible tho. I feel like that would just push many of them into doing other means for gaining money or what ever they do for work would just become illegal if not already. It will still exists. There are citizens here who make money threw illegal means with out a job. Some times for many decades with out getting caught, even with a warrant out for their arrests. What would lead a person to assume that a illegal immigrant who has learned English would not be able to do the same?
What is your supposed number of people who would be estimated to be left over? Is there a estimation of how many of those millions of people would leave on their own? Does Trump have sources for his estimations, or did they just make up some numbers?
Take away their illegal employment, take away their freebies (health care, education, food stamps, welfare, public housing, ect.), and take away the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.
The one's that don't leave will be deported, it's really not that complicated.
I completely agree that taking away the benefits will get rid of allot of them and that its a good thing to do. However what I did not like is the trying to round them all up, I had placed the stand point of rounding them up. Particularly all at once (originally speaking). I just did/do not see it happening(if executed this way-all at once).
My thoughts now are, how many will leave and where does this estimation come from. After all, this is a serious issue, not a experiment. If millions would stay then it would be valid to say that rounding them up would not be possible, and illegal employment would exist.
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">Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible
If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave."
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"rounding them up would not be possible"
We know where they live, this isn't rocket science. We may not get 100% of them, but 90% would be very easy.
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Stonehenge said: >Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible
If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.
Ahahaha.
You still think its possible tho. I feel like that would just push many of them into doing other means for gaining money or what ever they do for work would just become illegal if not already. It will still exists. There are citizens here who make money threw illegal means with out a job. Some times for many decades with out getting caught, even with a warrant out for their arrests. What would lead a person to assume that a illegal immigrant who has learned English would not be able to do the same?
What is your supposed number of people who would be estimated to be left over? Is there a estimation of how many of those millions of people would leave on their own? Does Trump have sources for his estimations, or did they just make up some numbers?
Take away their illegal employment, take away their freebies (health care, education, food stamps, welfare, public housing, ect.), and take away the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.
The one's that don't leave will be deported, it's really not that complicated.
I completely agree that taking away the benefits will get rid of allot of them and that its a good thing to do. However what I do not like is the trying to round them all up, I have been arguing on the stand point of rounding them up. Particularly all at once (originally speaking). I just do not see it happening. Quote:
qman said: "rounding them up would not be possible"
We know where they live, this isn't rocket science. We may not get 100% of them, but 90% would be very easy.
What leads you to believe you will not need a authoritarian state of Government to do this?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
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I mean for example let's say I'm housing a illegal immigrant. You think I'm going to let the police or some force in with out a warrant? Do you understand how many warrants they will have to get. They can't just bust into some peoples homes and take them away.
Oh what, Is some government force gonna sit around in their cars and drink coffee to watch for them walking down the streets to bust em? Where are all these resources going to come from to do something like that.. There's not enough enforcement to make that happen that way.
If they make it to where they don't need a warrant now all the sudden the Government can come into your home simply with the "We think your housing a illegal immigrant" excuse.. because you had your Mexican friends over.
That implies more Tyranny than the drug war.
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Dr.Wongburger said: I mean for example let's say I'm housing a illegal immigrant. You think I'm going to let the police or some force in with out a warrant? Do you understand how many warrants they will have to get. They can't just bust into some peoples homes and take them away.
Oh what, Is some government force gonna sit around in their cars and drink coffee to watch for them walking down the streets to bust em? Where are all these resources going to come from to do something like that.. There's not enough enforcement to make that happen that way.
If they make it to where they don't need a warrant now all the sudden the Government can come into your home simply with the "We think your housing a illegal immigrant" excuse.. because you had your Mexican friends over.
That implies more Tyranny than the drug war.
Reason for edit - Added information.
If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.
The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them.
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qman said: If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.
The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. 
I'm not willing to give up any of my Liberty or rights for this cause. Logistics or management of the supplies and transport required for this operation is very on spot and important in relation to this issue. The handling of this operation would be major in importance if it will cause you to have loss of rights or liberty's.
After all, the definition of liberty is as follows - Personal freedom from servitude, confinement or oppression. - freedom from arbitrary or despotic control
Why would I want to allow my Government to oppress me more than it has?
I'm not sure why any one would want to enable despotic control upon the people.
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We quit giving them drivers licenses like the moonbats in cali are doing. No more handouts or services, that will do the job. Yes, a few will remain and live by stealing and so on but with most of them out, we can focus on the ones remaining.
You really think they all speak good English and know their constitutional rights? Lol. We need to get started on this and trump is the only one who will do it. Zap might even hold his nose and vote for him if he gets the nomination.
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asante >Every one wants to get rich off the illegal immigrants
Yeah, we are getting rich working part time for crap wages while the illegals take many jobs away and lower the pay for everyone. The rich folk are doing fine, the big factory owners, big agriculture, etc love the illegals. Why are you on the side of the rich and against the poor working stiff?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: We quit giving them drivers licenses like the moonbats in cali are doing. No more handouts or services, that will do the job. Yes, a few will remain and live by stealing and so on but with most of them out, we can focus on the ones remaining.
You really think they all speak good English and know their constitutional rights? Lol. We need to get started on this and trump is the only one who will do it. Zap might even hold his nose and vote for him if he gets the nomination.
Regardless the Government can't lawfully violate any rights or do anything unconstitutional. I'm not sure what your poking at here. lol.
More than one candidate wants to take away their benefits, Donald, Romney, Ted Cruz, maybe others if they keep switching their positions. (according to the article below)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/16/a-guide-to-2016-republican-candidates-positions-on-illegal-immigration/
I'm not sure how one, lets say if you wanted to persuade me, could convince a person to give Donald his or her vote solely based on that part of the issue. Due to you mentioning Donald Trump and then on top of the article I just read, I do not see him as the only one who would do this.
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Every one is innocent until proven guilty.
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Actually when we catch them we can throw them right back. Overstayed visas? Another no problem. Visa expires? You are fucking gone. See ya. Baby born here? The baby can stay. You have to go. Out damn spot.
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zappaisgod said: Actually when we catch them we can throw them right back. Overstayed visas? Another no problem. Visa expires? You are fucking gone. See ya. Baby born here? The baby can stay. You have to go. Out damn spot.
Sources bruh, sources.
If they, in fact do that (which sources would not hurt), its unlawful.
Presumption of Innocence: "A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence."
By those things you mentioned maybe they are proven guilty. However you are still innocent until proven guilty.
If they can not prove that the illegal immigrant is illegal, its not gonna be able to happen that easily.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Innocent+until+proven+guilty
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If they catch them at the border they can throw them right back. If they overstay their visa they can throw them right out.
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Stonehenge said: Eliminate the jobs for illegals and they will deport themselves. Those who don't, can be rounded up. I don't expect all to be gone in one year but the more the laws are enforced the better. As it is now under the idiot in the white house, there are more coming over every day.
We can reverse the flow, elect trump, he is the only one who will do it. Jeb won't do it, the bitch won't do it and biden or sanders won't do it. Only trump has the guts to do it.
This would require a green card for every one with verification. The Government would be going door to door. I think the idea is just impossible. If any one thinks the whats going on is crazy with the drug war?! Wait until they see Government start busting into houses under the suspicions that some one is housing a illegal immigrant!
The legals already have a green card or are citizens. You hire someone with no proof of citizenship, no green card and no valid ss number, you the employer should get big fines. Its not rocket science, its pretty easy. Cut off the employment and they deport themselves. The few who don't get rounded up and put in jail. No more limo rides to the border, hard jail time then they are deported to a destination of our choosing.
Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible. How many people where rounded up in the holocaust, something like 16-20 million? How did they do that, didn't they go door to door using guns demanding every one to come out so they could get the Jews out from amongst them?
Nobody would have to be "Rounded Up" if the government would have been following the immigration laws that we already have. It's the lawlessness that got us into this mess now they're the ones whining about what it takes to fix it. And this "Round Them Up" phrase is being pumped out there by the media and politicians to make everyone feel sorry for the unwelcome intruders they have invited into OUR country. Maybe if all the politicians didn't live in gated communities they might understand.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
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Yeah, we are getting rich working part time for crap wages while the illegals take many jobs away and lower the pay for everyone. The rich folk are doing fine, the big factory owners, big agriculture, etc love the illegals. Why are you on the side of the rich and against the poor working stiff?
I'm on The People's side, I'm merely pointing out that the immigrants who are so maligned in this thread are duped just like the citizenry, by Big Money as usual.
Just showing y'all that your anger is misdirected. The problem isn't downstairs, its upstairs.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante]
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The big money supports illegals, I seriously wonder if you know anything at all
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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The only immigrants I thin should go back from were they came are Muslims
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Janky Tits]
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All illegals. Period.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: If they catch them at the border they can throw them right back. If they overstay their visa they can throw them right out.
So if they find that they have overstayed their visa they are found guilty.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-when-undocumented-immigrant-is-caught.html
Placement Into Removal Proceedings "Once an undocumented immigrant is taken into custody, the deportation officer will make an initial determination as to whether to place the person into removal proceedings and, if so, how to charge the person. Most often, the charge will be unlawful entry into the U.S., overstaying a nonimmigrant visa, or one of various criminal grounds, if you were previously arrested and convicted of a crime. In order to initiate removal proceedings, the deportation officer will serve you and the Immigration Court with a Notice to Appear (NTA). The Notice to Appear lists the charges against you. You then have the right to see an Immigration Judge. If you do not agree with the charges, you can fight them. Even if the charges are correct, you may still be eligible for relief from removal. For a discussion of possible defenses, see “Possible Defenses to Deportation of an Undocumented Alien.” Removal proceedings can be lengthy, sometimes taking years to complete. As long as you do not have a prior order of removal, nor sign agreement to your deportation or accept voluntary departure, you will not be immediately deported just because you are caught."
If you are caught in the act of crossing the boarder :
https://cirblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/how-illegal-immigrants-are-processed/
"Normally, illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol are eligible for “voluntary departure,” which means they are put on a bus once they pass a criminal background check and returned to Mexico without charges.
When an area sees a steep increase or excessive illegal immigration problems, however, the Border Patrol sets up a designated “no tolerance” zone. Illegal immigrants caught there can be sent to federal court for misdemeanor charges of entry without inspection and then face a trial and deportation. They could face felony charges and jail time if they are caught trying to cross a second time.
The maximum penalty is six months in jail and removal from the U.S. Those convicted are then barred from legal reentry for five years and 20 years for a second removal."
"Most are transported by vehicles to a processing center for identification and classification. There they are read their rights, which are similar to the Miranda rights read to U.S. citizens.
They are notified of their right to an attorney, to remain silent and are asked if they understand their rights as explained, Ramos said."
Definition of Voluntary departure :
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/litigation/voluntary-departure
"A grant of voluntary departure means that a person is permitted to depart the United States voluntarily, and typically at his own expense, in lieu of being deported. The LAC has been involved in litigation and advocacy involving the interplay between voluntary departure and the right to file a motion to reopen, and has issued several practice advisories addressing various aspects of voluntary departure."
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/voluntary-departure-who-is-eligible.html
"Pre-hearing voluntary departure is not available to a non-citizen who is stopped at the U.S. border. Also, aggravated felons and noncitizens engaged in terrorist activities are ineligible for pre-hearing voluntary departure."
"However, if you believe that you may qualify for immigration relief, such as political asylum, cancellation of removal, or adjustment of status, you might be better off waiting until you can see an immigration judge to present your full case. At that time, you will (assuming you meet the eligibility requirements described below) have additional chances to ask for voluntary departure."
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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So why don't u go back to Europe?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Janky Tits]
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I am actually part native. Passamaquoddy, to be precise. But that is an argument made by idiots. Even the natives are invaders.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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They're technically not since there was no one here before them but I still see what you are saying
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Janky Tits]
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Mammoths were here and they wiped them out. Are you some kind of speciesist?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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Have you ever had use of the services of illegal immigrants Zappa? Professionally or privately?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante]
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I'm pretty sure Zappas has fucked a few chola hookers here in there.
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I have never hired any but I suspect restaurants I have gone to have. My landscaper is a citizen.
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Ahhh... Nothing like drinking a cup of coffee and discussing illegal immigrants.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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I have never hired any but I suspect restaurants I have gone to have. My landscaper is a citizen.
I guess they just cant get rid of them right away.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Why not?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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You like italian food? Chinese? Indian? All of these restaurants house immigrants as well as American Citizens.....
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What part of illegal vs legal do you not understand?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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I understand both parts. Just stating that most of the workers in our favorite eatery's are illegal....
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I doubt there are any illegal Italians, Indian, or Chinese immigrants these days.
If you are referring to the fact that there places house illegal Mexican immigrants then that's a different story
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I actually was...Specifically Mexican.
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You know what.. come to think about.. legit hardcore mexican food is probably best made by Mexicans fresh from Mexico. mmmm I need to check out a Ponchos some time soon here.
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qman said: If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.
The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. 
I'm not willing to give up any of my Liberty or rights for this cause. Logistics or management of the supplies and transport required for this operation is very on spot and important in relation to this issue. The handling of this operation would be major in importance if it will cause you to have loss of rights or liberty's.
After all, the definition of liberty is as follows - Personal freedom from servitude, confinement or oppression. - freedom from arbitrary or despotic control
Why would I want to allow my Government to oppress me more than it has?
I'm not sure why any one would want to enable despotic control upon the people.
It would be arbitrary to allow such means: Based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice.<<<<
"It would be arbitrary to allow such means"
Nope, simple logic would work.
"subject to individual discretion or preference"
God forbid someone used commonsense and discretion.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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You know what.. come to think about.. legit hardcore mexican food is probably best made by Mexicans fresh from Mexico. mmmm I need to check out a Ponchos some time soon here.
I think most wouldn't have a problem with sacrificing a few ethnic food joints for the good of our country. Although placing a side order of an eight ball with your burrito dinner would be a thing of the past.
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qman said: If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.
The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. 
I'm not willing to give up any of my Liberty or rights for this cause. Logistics or management of the supplies and transport required for this operation is very on spot and important in relation to this issue. The handling of this operation would be major in importance if it will cause you to have loss of rights or liberty's.
After all, the definition of liberty is as follows - Personal freedom from servitude, confinement or oppression. - freedom from arbitrary or despotic control
Why would I want to allow my Government to oppress me more than it has?
I'm not sure why any one would want to enable despotic control upon the people.
It would be arbitrary to allow such means: Based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice.<<<<
"It would be arbitrary to allow such means"
Nope, simple logic would work.
"subject to individual discretion or preference"
God forbid someone used commonsense and discretion. 
Are you in support of a authoritarian state of Government?
Let me know if I'm understanding you wrong, but you are saying lets allow Authority figures to use common sense and trust them not to abuse their power? If so, best of luck.
Caprice means "A sudden desire". Under the idea of "sacrifice a small inconvenience" they could have a sudden desire which would be allowing authorities / Government into homes with out warrants or probable cause, just to take a hold of a illegal immigrant, they could do so. The fact is tho it's never going to happen, it doesn't matter if Mr.Trump takes office or any one else. If it ever did the government would be sued big time. Its never going to happen legally unless were under a authoritarian power. You have to have a warrant or probably cause. We do not live under a authoritarian government or martial law 24/7.
You sound just like the cops who say "Let me search your vehicle, you've got nothing to hide or be worried about right?". Sorry mane but my rights are mine, I don't have to let any one search my house or my vehicle with out a warrant or probable cause and thats never going to change.
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The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. 
I'm not willing to give up any of my Liberty or rights for this cause. Logistics or management of the supplies and transport required for this operation is very on spot and important in relation to this issue. The handling of this operation would be major in importance if it will cause you to have loss of rights or liberty's.
After all, the definition of liberty is as follows - Personal freedom from servitude, confinement or oppression. - freedom from arbitrary or despotic control
Why would I want to allow my Government to oppress me more than it has?
I'm not sure why any one would want to enable despotic control upon the people.
It would be arbitrary to allow such means: Based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice.<<<<
"It would be arbitrary to allow such means"
Nope, simple logic would work.
"subject to individual discretion or preference"
God forbid someone used commonsense and discretion. 
Are you in support of a authoritarian state of Government?
Let me know if I'm understanding you wrong, but you are saying lets allow Authority figures to use common sense and trust them not to abuse their power? If so, best of luck.
Caprice means "A sudden desire". Under the idea of "sacrifice a small inconvenience" they could have a sudden desire which would be allowing authorities / Government into homes with out warrants or probable cause, just to take a hold of a illegal immigrant, they could do so. The fact is tho it's never going to happen, it doesn't matter if Mr.Trump takes office or any one else. If it ever did the government would be sued big time. Its never going to happen legally unless were under a authoritarian power. You have to have a warrant or probably cause. We do not live under a authoritarian government or martial law 24/7.
You sound just like the cops who say "Let me search your vehicle, you've got nothing to hide or be worried about right?". Sorry mane but my rights are mine, I don't have to let any one search my house or my vehicle with out a warrant or probable cause and thats never going to change.
The big difference, US citizens have constitutional rights, illegals don't. Don't we already deported illegals, how do we do it without being a "authoritarian government"? Very easily.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
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I believe that even illegals and other non citizens do have some rights under the constitution, that's why they want to sneak into here. But, since the illegals have committed a crime by breaking our laws when entering, they can be treated as criminals and kept in jail until deported. Of course with the goof in office they just turn them loose but that will change if trump ever gets in.
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Stonehenge said: I believe that even illegals and other non citizens do have some rights under the constitution, that's why they want to sneak into here. But, since the illegals have committed a crime by breaking our laws when entering, they can be treated as criminals and kept in jail until deported. Of course with the goof in office they just turn them loose but that will change if trump ever gets in.
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ReposadoXochipilli said: I think a lot of people don't understand that many undocumented workers do pay taxes, if they get payroll via a bogus social security number they pay taxes.
ok, so let me clarify this, let's say you're working, you're earning $20k per year, you have a couple of kids you'll be claiming on your taxes when you file, this will result in you getting about $5000-7000 in the form of a refund after you file, now let's say that some illegal is using your SSN, he's paying in on the $30k per year he's earning as a brick mason, well to the IRS you're earning $50k, that's a higher tax bracket that would reduce your income tax return greatly, now that money you were going to use to get another car or to repair your car has evaporated, what's more, you now are subject to fines and penalties, some of which could result in your going to prison for tax evasion and all of that because you were unaware that someone was using your social security number
but wait, there's more. since you're only making $20/yr, you have two kids, you're also on government assistance, all that extra income starts showing up and suddenly the department of human resources cuts your foodstamps and stops any other government assistance you were receiving because on the books you're making far too much to be receiving all this free money so now how will you feed your kids, how will you maintain your residence, that extra $400/month was what was allowing you to scrape by
let's also look at an ever increasing problem, more and more young people are going on disability, let's say that you are as well, maybe it's a crazy check, maybe it's from a traffic accident you had a few years ago that let you in constant pain and unable to work, your only drawing $800/month, your budget is tight and you're not allowed to take a job to supplement your income but suddenly, extra money starts showing up under your SSN, money that shows that you're working at a meat processing plant in Alabama, well the Social Security administration is wondering why you're collecting disability while working so they cut your check off completely... now you're completely fucked because that money you depended on has now dried up
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Just seems no one ever mentions this.
it's mentioned, it's mentioned a lot, but no one seems to want to look at the consequences of the identity theft, things such as that illegal with your SSN applying for a couple of credit cards in your name, having electricity, telephone and other services established on YOUR credit, something that completely fucks your credit when they decide to skip out on those bills you know nothing about
so yeah, some illegals pay taxes as zappa has mentioned already in this thread
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The big difference, US citizens have constitutional rights, illegals don't. Don't we already deported illegals, how do we do it without being a "authoritarian government"? Very easily.
As already stated they do have rights. Scroll threw my old post's or read this screen shot - This is how it's done with out a authoritarian Government :

First post on this page - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22175885/page/1/fpart/6/vc/1#22175885
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The big difference, US citizens have constitutional rights, illegals don't. Don't we already deported illegals, how do we do it without being a "authoritarian government"? Very easily.
As already stated they do have rights. Scroll threw my old post's or read this screen shot - This is how it's done with out a authoritarian Government :

First post on this page - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22175885/page/1/fpart/6/vc/1#22175885
It's due process.
Due process is a relative term, they can argue their case outside of the US, they aren't getting lengthy hearings once the process starts, that's pure fantasy land. You're living in the past, things are going to change.
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The big difference, US citizens have constitutional rights, illegals don't. Don't we already deported illegals, how do we do it without being a "authoritarian government"? Very easily.
As already stated they do have rights. Scroll threw my old post's or read this screen shot - This is how it's done with out a authoritarian Government :

First post on this page - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22175885/page/1/fpart/6/vc/1#22175885
It's due process.
Due process is a relative term, they can argue their case outside of the US, they aren't getting lengthy hearings once the process starts, that's pure fantasy land. You're living in the past, things are going to change.
I showed my sources. So you can argue all you want but until you do the same to explain your self it means nothing. The entire internet can read this and see that. Maybe even a definition?
You do not have to believe how things are handled and people are processed. However you have no sources. I will tell you qman, in life you may not believe its hot out side but that don't mean ya ain't gonna sweat when you start mowing the lawn. It's your choice.
I suggest you do some research on the Fourth Amendment.
You can think want you want but Government, scholars, professors, lawyers, even public school teachers will tell you there is no way we are getting rid of the Fourth Amendment.
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The big difference, US citizens have constitutional rights, illegals don't. Don't we already deported illegals, how do we do it without being a "authoritarian government"? Very easily.
As already stated they do have rights. Scroll threw my old post's or read this screen shot - This is how it's done with out a authoritarian Government :

First post on this page - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22175885/page/1/fpart/6/vc/1#22175885
It's due process.
Due process is a relative term, they can argue their case outside of the US, they aren't getting lengthy hearings once the process starts, that's pure fantasy land. You're living in the past, things are going to change.
I showed my sources. So you can argue all you want but until you do the same to explain your self it means nothing. The entire internet can read this and see that. Maybe even a definition?
You do not have to believe how things are handled and people are processed. However you have no sources. I will tell you qman, in life you may not believe its hot out side but that don't mean ya ain't gonna sweat when you start mowing the lawn. It's your choice.
I suggest you do some research on the Fourth Amendment.
You can think want you want but Government, scholars, professors, lawyers, even public school teachers will tell you there is no way we are getting rid of the Fourth Amendment.
When did I suggest about "getting rid of the Fourth Amendment?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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When they catch the bums, they will get a choice, voluntary deportation or sit in jail for up to a year while the paperwork is being done in the courts, then involuntary deportation to a shit destination of our choice. Or they can go to the shit destination now, most will take now rather than sit in prison.
And if we crack down on employers who hire illegals, the illegals will quit coming and will in fact go back. If we stop remittances, they will go back. No employment and no remittances means no reason to come over and no reason to stay.
Then like magic more jobs open up for americans. Wages go up without some govt interference in the min wage like the socialists want, they go up naturally.
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That "goof" in office has deported more illegals than dubya ever did.
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That "goof" in office has deported more illegals than dubya ever did.
turning them back at the border isnt actually deportation
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: lowbrow]
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Bush was a fucking squish on this too. As was Reagan. 2 million in 7 years when there is 10 to 20 million here? Not even close to enough.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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Vote for trump and he will change all that. No one else is even talking about getting rid of illegals, except talking against it. They are all wussies afraid of losing a few votes.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
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When did I suggest about "getting rid of the Fourth Amendment?
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qman said: "rounding them up would not be possible"
We know where they live, this isn't rocket science. We may not get 100% of them, but 90% would be very easy.
Remember we discussed this issue, involving the US needing a impossible amount of resources for stake outs or removing the need for a warrant so they can find a legal way into the homes of the 90% to get them out of where ever their staying/ or currently at?
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Oh what, Is some government force gonna sit around in their cars and drink coffee to watch for them walking down the streets to bust em? Where are all these resources going to come from to do something like that.. There's not enough enforcement to make that happen that way.
If they make it to where they don't need a warrant now all the sudden the Government can come into your home simply with the "We think your housing a illegal immigrant" excuse.. because you had your Mexican friends over.
That implies more Tyranny than the drug war.
Reason for edit - Added information.
If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.
The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. 
How would you expect to do this with out getting rid of the fourth amendment? What, do you think they can just exclude it when/where ever illegal immigrants are involved/concerned?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
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You should post some links to some pages (not just political speeches) on is solid plans to take care of the issue. Maybe he has a website? Anything?
If you want me or any one else to vote for Trump it really would not hurt you to show some sources to his solution(s). I believe firmly we need a Statesman as president, not a politician. How are you going to convince me he is a statesman? Even if he is a statesman, show me his wisdom in the management of public affairs. Something. Any thing.
I hear many of my friends holler "vote for trump" he wants this, he wants that. However no one shows me his solid plans to handle the situations such as illegal immigrants.
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When did I suggest about "getting rid of the Fourth Amendment?
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qman said: "rounding them up would not be possible"
We know where they live, this isn't rocket science. We may not get 100% of them, but 90% would be very easy.
Remember we discussed this issue, involving the US needing a impossible amount of resources for stake outs or removing the need for a warrant so they can find a legal way into the homes of the 90% to get them out of where ever their staying/ or currently at?
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Dr.Wongburger said: I mean for example let's say I'm housing a illegal immigrant. You think I'm going to let the police or some force in with out a warrant? Do you understand how many warrants they will have to get. They can't just bust into some peoples homes and take them away.
Oh what, Is some government force gonna sit around in their cars and drink coffee to watch for them walking down the streets to bust em? Where are all these resources going to come from to do something like that.. There's not enough enforcement to make that happen that way.
If they make it to where they don't need a warrant now all the sudden the Government can come into your home simply with the "We think your housing a illegal immigrant" excuse.. because you had your Mexican friends over.
That implies more Tyranny than the drug war.
Reason for edit - Added information.
If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.
The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.
I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. 
How would you expect to do this with out getting rid of the fourth amendment? What, do you think they can just exclude it when/where ever illegal immigrants are involved/concerned?
People do leave their homes, it's only you who is insisting on warrants and stakeouts.
Again, take away the freebies, their illegal jobs, and the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.
Why you have this vision of knocking down doors is your issue, unfortunately someone who looks Hispanic will have to deal with a few inconveniences, so be it.
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117412/deportations-under-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants
http://blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2014/05/02/5-things-obamas-record-on-deportations/
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turning them back at the border isnt actually deportation
Nope, that was dubya's game, not Obama's.
catch and release is the obama policy, the 'deported' illegals is because of the higher influx and due to that a higher catch rate, this results in higher deportation rates. if they arent caught at the border, this is his policy
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/3/editorial-obamas-catch-and-release/
obama has made it very clear he doesnt intend to deport any illegals from within the US and even fast tracked his illegal aunt to becoming a citizen
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
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People do leave their homes, it's only you who is insisting on warrants and stakeouts.
Again, take away the freebies, their illegal jobs, and the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.
Why you have this vision of knocking down doors is your issue, unfortunately someone who looks Hispanic will have to deal with a few inconveniences, so be it.
You are ignoring the issue. You are the one who brought up the idea of "We know where they live". Again, I have never said 0% of them will leave if you take away the "freebies". Please quote me otherwise. I know you cant. I'm not sure why you would bring that issue up again.
How do you expect to catch them out side of their homes or place of stay when they leave it? Do you have a better solution than stake outs? Where are the resources going to come from? What do you do about it?
Really? You think its okay for Hispanics to deal with prejudices being enforced on a government level? Do you even know the pledge of allegiance? Do you know what African Americans have gone threw? Look it up you will see what it would be like for Hispanics within where prejudices and racism is concerned. You are wrong on so many levels. Your taking a huge step back in society by holding that position. 
If you are under the age of 18, do let me know so I can show some mercy on you, as others as well. I mean this in a serious manner. No offense intended.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Wong, trumps platform has been posted in the political forum and discussed at length. At least he has a plan unlike the other dufus' running for office.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
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You do not feel the need to emphasize on any specifics from it?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
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I did not look into it, but I'm assuming he's talking about invading the Native Americans...mmm right?
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I know this sounds off topic however the exact same situation applies. Is it right? Is it wrong? Thats up to you.
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Power has to be on your side to maintain ownership or to own something.
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You image says "since 1492". Can you post your sources of which the claims are being made by? The "power" sort of to speak. Maybe some native governments or something? Can we consider that obsolete now? Maybe there are some Native American organizations that are claiming ownership with the lack of power?
I can see it as a possibility.
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Are Mexicans more European or more 'Native'? Im more in fear of what is happening in Europe, Mexicans are pretty ok for the most part.
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zappaisgod said: There is nothing illegal about the immigration of Europeans to a country that didn't exist

You image says "since 1492". Can you post your sources of which the claims are being made by? The "power" sort of to speak. Maybe some native governments or something? Can we consider that obsolete now? Maybe there are some Native American organizations that are claiming ownership with the lack of power?
I can see it as a possibility.
I lol at your bureaucracy.
Lol I swear history is ironic as it is ridiculous. One day humanity will look back on us with shock and disbelief how a group of people could conquer and all-but-exterminate a people and then a few hundred years claim that the descendants of the few survivors are "illegal immigrants"
It's fucking hilarious I swear.
those 'survivors' didnt originate there, they came from somewhere else
so guess what "illegal immigration since 12,000BC"
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People do leave their homes, it's only you who is insisting on warrants and stakeouts.
Again, take away the freebies, their illegal jobs, and the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.
Why you have this vision of knocking down doors is your issue, unfortunately someone who looks Hispanic will have to deal with a few inconveniences, so be it.
You are ignoring the issue. You are the one who brought up the idea of "We know where they live". Again, I have never said 0% of them will leave if you take away the "freebies". Please quote me otherwise. I know you cant. I'm not sure why you would bring that issue up again.
How do you expect to catch them out side of their homes or place of stay when they leave it? Do you have a better solution than stake outs? Where are the resources going to come from? What do you do about it?
Really? You think its okay for Hispanics to deal with prejudices being enforced on a government level? Do you even know the pledge of allegiance? Do you know what African Americans have gone threw? Look it up you will see what it would be like for Hispanics within where prejudices and racism is concerned. You are wrong on so many levels. Your taking a huge step back in society by holding that position. 
If you are under the age of 18, do let me know so I can show some mercy on you, as others as well. I mean this in a serious manner. No offense intended.
"where are the resources going to come from?"
The deportation of illegals has a great return of investment, keeping them here and pissing away tax money on their social services has many asking "where are the resources going to come from?".
"Do you know what African Americans have gone threw?"
I do, yet I don't see any leaving for Africa.
"You are wrong on so many levels"
Nope, the vast majority of the American people want the enforcement of the current immigration laws, if that includes mass deportation they will also support that approach.
"If you are under the age of 18"
I most likely have double the time on this planet that you have had, but I could be wrong.
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Lol I swear history is ironic as it is ridiculous. One day humanity will look back on us with shock and disbelief how a group of people could conquer and all-but-exterminate a people and then a few hundred years claim that the descendants of the few survivors are "illegal immigrants"
It's fucking hilarious I swear.
mmmm... hmmm... I thought I was fairly understandable. I'm not the one making the rules or Governments of the world. You can hold on to your stand point but that does not change how the world works.
I'm simply a viewer of the world. It's not my bureaucracy that you are speaking of. I do not control the complicated structures and regulations. I was simply looking for understanding however if you want more people to agree with you, that's not a good response, you have not caught my attention to come any were near the understanding that you might have of the situation and have failed to answer any of my questions regardless of how the world functions.
Regardless pris has a point: "those 'survivors' didnt originate there, they came from somewhere else
so guess what "illegal immigration since 12,000BC"
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If there are no immigration laws how can there be illegal immigration? Do you people even think at all?
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I have no intention of respecting every fucking whackjob creation theory. They invaded from asia. Later they got invaded from europe and africa. Tough fucking shit. They were no lesser assholes than the people who kicked their ignorant asses. Romanticizing them and believing they lived a peaceful bucolic life is the height of ignorance
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You're ideas are nothing but theories. You have no proof that the natives immigrated from anywhere. They just as easily could have originated in the Americas.
The only reason you repeat that line is because of the biased anthropological society who just a hundred or so years ago claimed that Africans where not even human beings...
I am not sure that I have seen a more stupid, ignorant and misinformed post in my entire time here. And I have seen a bunch of Bill O'Reilly's and stonehenge's posts
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"where are the resources going to come from?"
The deportation of illegals has a great return of investment, keeping them here and pissing away tax money on their social services has many asking "where are the resources going to come from?".
"Do you know what African Americans have gone threw?"
I do, yet I don't see any leaving for Africa.
"You are wrong on so many levels"
Nope, the vast majority of the American people want the enforcement of the current immigration laws, if that includes mass deportation they will also support that approach.
"If you are under the age of 18"
I most likely have double the time on this planet that you have had, but I could be wrong.
Thank you for not taking any offense at my response. I feel I can converse with you with out guilt now since we are on level - adults.
"has a great return of investment" << Please post your sources of what that return will be. It also would not hurt for you to post how much money is used towards the illegal immigrants in comparison towards the general population.
I'm not sure why they would return to Africa. They have come a long way with their struggles. The point of that was to show you what your implications are - the want to burden amongst the Hispanic population with similar prejudices and conditions. 100% legal Hispanics/Mexican people. I'm still not sure why you would want to do that.
This is a Constitutional Republic we live in, not a pure democracy. You still can't violate rights legally such as searching a house with out a warrant or probable cause. You still have not explained on the means that will be took to catch the illegal immigrants legally. You also have not posted any sources yet. There will never be voting on this subject. There is going to be no more of a mass deportation as there is now in the sense of the process of deportation that takes place.

How do you expect to catch them out side of their homes or place of stay when they leave it? Do you have a better solution than stake outs? Where are the resources going to come from? What do you do about it?
It's clearly understood houses will not be searched with out probably cause or a warrant. A Hispanic being in a place of residence does not count as probably cause.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Zap thinks its ok to steal land as long as you have the power to take it and keep it. That is the only law he respects. On the internet anyway, in real life anyone who steals from him will be reported to the cops and he will have a major fit.
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In what sense are you talking of? 12,000BC? Or the invasion within regards towards the Native Americans?
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Are you saying that homo sapiens, absent any other apes, evolved separately in the Americas and are a different species than those that evolved in Africa?
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That is how every country on earth has come into existence. Every one.
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I had no idea there were people that fucking stupid.
You continue to insult my intelligence yet you offer no intelligent counter to what I have said.
Very Fox News of you.
That's zap for you. Actually, he has tried to clean up his act lately, I think he is running for shroomery pres or bucking for a mod job or something. But the old nasty zap comes out now and then.
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Do you think that homo sapiens evolved in two separate places on the planet? Even though one of them has never had an ape population?
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"where are the resources going to come from?"
The deportation of illegals has a great return of investment, keeping them here and pissing away tax money on their social services has many asking "where are the resources going to come from?".
"Do you know what African Americans have gone threw?"
I do, yet I don't see any leaving for Africa.
"You are wrong on so many levels"
Nope, the vast majority of the American people want the enforcement of the current immigration laws, if that includes mass deportation they will also support that approach.
"If you are under the age of 18"
I most likely have double the time on this planet that you have had, but I could be wrong.
Thank you for not taking any offense at my response. I feel I can converse with you with out guilt now since we are on level - adults.
"has a great return of investment" << Please post your sources of what that return will be. It also would not hurt for you to post how much money is used towards the illegal immigrants in comparison towards the general population.
I'm not sure why they would return to Africa. They have come a long way with their struggles. The point of that was to show you what your implications are - the want to burden amongst the Hispanic population with similar prejudices and conditions. 100% legal Hispanics/Mexican people. I'm still not sure why you would want to do that.
This is a Constitutional Republic we live in, not a pure democracy. You still can't violate rights legally such as searching a house with out a warrant or probable cause. You still have not explained on the means that will be took to catch the illegal immigrants legally. You also have not posted any sources yet. There will never be voting on this subject. There is going to be no more of a mass deportation as there is now in the sense of the process of deportation that takes place.

How do you expect to catch them out side of their homes or place of stay when they leave it? Do you have a better solution than stake outs? Where are the resources going to come from? What do you do about it?
It's clearly understood houses will not be searched with out probably cause or a warrant. A Hispanic being in a place of residence does not count as probably cause.
"to catch the illegals legally"
Their place of illegal work, hospitals, car stops, on the street, ect. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Stop+and+Frisk
Illegals are a net drain on the system, an estimated $129 billion per year, but in reality the costs are much higher, dragging down wages and dropping the standard of living for US citizens.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
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Lol I swear history is ironic as it is ridiculous. One day humanity will look back on us with shock and disbelief how a group of people could conquer and all-but-exterminate a people and then a few hundred years claim that the descendants of the few survivors are "illegal immigrants"
It's fucking hilarious I swear.
those 'survivors' didnt originate there, they came from somewhere else
so guess what "illegal immigration since 12,000BC"
According to who? There are various scientific theories but not conclusive evidence. Nearly all if not all Native American creation stories state that they either came from "America" or they were transplanted their via ETs.
before you go on, I'd like you to know you're talking to a man that's half comanche and cherokee, in the tongue of my ancestors Numunu and Tslagi. I hear many of these stories, you want to hear a few creation stories.
long ago coyote came across a bunch of crows, not knowing what to do with them he cut a hole in his buttock, stuffed it with the crows and then stitched it up, later when he cut free the sutures it wasnt crows that emerged but the people
here's another
one day coyote and the others were riding on the back of turtle through the sea, they wondered if there was anything else and asked turtle to dive as deep as he could to find out what was under the waters, turtle went under and dived as deep as he could but came back with nothing, they begged him to try again, he did and when he came back, under his nails they found a few specks of dirt and this is where the land we know of comes from
how about you share the aliens dropped the people off story that I've only heard of just now, seeing as how all of the stories I've heard from my childhood were told just like that
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Just because it is generally accepted that humanity sprang from one source and spread outwards doesn't make it true. Matter of fact it makes just as much sense to me that humanity developed in many locations across the globe.
it makes sense to you, the problem is this 'out of africa' movement makes more sense than alien experimentation, though that certainly has nothing to do with a great migration from asia as we can see evidence of, we dont see a sudden appearance of man on this contenent other than that migration
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I love how Europeans just come over, conquer the place, and then erase the native history and replace it with their own. Too fucking funny.
speaking of migration, here's an indian story about migration, long ago when the people started to move across the world, they settled into a large grassland where the buffalo were plenty, they had a problem though, they were victims of frequent raids by giants the size of 3 men, those giants would often kill all of the braves and destroy the villages, the great nations were called together in order to deal with this threat, the fought bravely and conquered the giants that were here before them
I wonder where the history of those conquered giants are
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Trust me on this too, anthropologists have no idea how people got to America. Some believe it was via a land bridge (the most known theory yet in my mind one of these least plausible) another is via the Pacific Ocean (essentially saying that the Native Americans are descendants of the Polynesians (which in my opinion is at least more plausible than the land bridge theory)
you keep saying of your beliefs and in your mind, just because you choose to believe something it doesnt make it true, it's like believing in the bible, hell, the world is only 6000 years old and was created in 6 days. You do realize that at the time of the migration the world was emerging from an ice age, with russia only being a couple of miles from alaska, it's not implausible that there was a large land bridge between the two, we know that a great deal of the US was also under water during one of the warm periods if not more than one. the polynesian boat people would still show them as coming from elsewhere and it's still less plausible to believe that a couple of fishermen washed out to sea managed to populate 2 continents
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But in all honesty we DON'T KNOW how the Native Americans first got here. It's all speculation; and if we respected their point of view we would find that like I said earlier they either originate on this continent or where placed here by ETs. lol
YOU DONT KNOW because you choose to believe all kinds of contrived crap and as I said earlier, I'd love to hear this ET story you say you know
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You do realize that the theory of evolution is still a theory; and regardless I'm willing to bet your knowledge about the primate fossil record of the Americas is less than satisfactory to be trying to deny the possibility of human evolution in the Americas.
That said I don't know how many primate fossils have been found in the Americas, but I think I'll look it up just for you. 
Also I hope you know that the Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't state that we evolved from apes... That's a common misconception.
"That's a common misconception"
For religious idiots and their arguments. 
BTW, you do realize we can trace back human origins with genetic testing? This isn't based on "theory" but hard scientific data.
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You do realize that the theory of evolution is still a theory; and regardless I'm willing to bet your knowledge about the primate fossil record of the Americas is less than satisfactory to be trying to deny the possibility of human evolution in the Americas.
That said I don't know how many primate fossils have been found in the Americas, but I think I'll look it up just for you. 
Also I hope you know that the Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't state that we evolved from apes... That's a common misconception.
I know that. We evolved from a common ancestor. South American monkeys are also immigrants although they have diverged from the old world monkeys in having prehensile tails. There are no new world apes
I'll ask again. Do you think homo sapiens evolved in two separate locations?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I'm saying that I don't know exactly how humanity evolved nor do I know exactly how they came to be in the Americas.
That said it is just as probable that humanity could have evolved simultaneously (or near simultaneously) in various locations across the globe.
This is another theory of evolution; known as multi-regional evolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
Albeit I'm uncertain if this model includes the idea that humans may have involved in the Americas. However, I find that irrelevant considering it too is just a theory. I just use it here to point out that there are other ideas to how humanity evolved.
this is more scientifically proven that the nutter theory. how do indians in this nation share the same mtDNA as most indigenous people in siberia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
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zappaisgod said: I have no intention of respecting every fucking whackjob creation theory. They invaded from asia. Later they got invaded from europe and africa. Tough fucking shit. They were no lesser assholes than the people who kicked their ignorant asses. Romanticizing them and believing they lived a peaceful bucolic life is the height of ignorance
You're ideas are nothing but theories. You have no proof that the natives immigrated from anywhere. They just as easily could have originated in the Americas.
The only reason you repeat that line is because of the biased anthropological society who just a hundred or so years ago claimed that Africans where not even human beings...
I am not sure that I have seen a more stupid, ignorant and misinformed post in my entire time here. And I have seen a bunch of Bill O'Reilly's and stonehenge's posts
Care to explain? I have done quite a good amount of research into anthropology. I'm no expert, but I know enough to know that our theories of native american migration are extremely flimsy and biased.
Everything I've said up to this point is true. How is that ignorant?
To me it seems more that you are a close-minded bigot who has taken THEORIES as fact.
the definition of theory: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
synonyms being: hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition; More
I think you may want to familiar yourself with what scientific theory means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
There's no "speculation or assumption" about it.
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>they were victims of frequent raids by giants the size of 3 men
Might have been the cro magnon, they were larger than other humans at the time. With the usual exaggeration, a few inches taller became the size of "3 men".
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Their place of illegal work, hospitals, car stops, on the street, ect. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Stop+and+Frisk
Illegals are a net drain on the system, an estimated $129 billion per year, but in reality the costs are much higher, dragging down wages and dropping the standard of living for US citizens.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
Bravo, bravo, you have posted your sources! 
If they believe you are involved in a crime they are allowed to legally detain you for a short period of time.
So lets say they stop one. They think one is a illegal immigrant because he's some Mexican guy. They find nothing on him, he is free to go. If they ask for a I.D. you don't have to show it. If you don't show them that can lead to a arrest and you can take it to court.
What your saying is for them to stop and frisk every single Hispanic/Mexican as if they would stop black people just because their black. Can you say lawsuits and riots?
To stop and frisk every single one in public is going to take to many resources. Huge/loads of spending money. Many of them get paid under the table. Meaning you can not find out where they work with out the "stake out" or investigating.
http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2009/07/under-the-table_pay_is_unacceptable.html
The national debt is : "As of June 4, 2015, total U.S. debt stood at $18.153 trillion."
$129 billion barely puts a dent in that number.
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I read your post earlier. I know it sounds crazy but there are many Christians who do not believe that the earth is only 6 thousand years old. For some reason that is a popular assumption among the general public because of some popular ministry or what not.
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burger, you do the usual liberal trick of ignoring all things that go against your beliefs but its been said many times that we need to crack down on employers and punish those who hire illegals. Employers are easy to find unless they are the guy paying a landscaper or something. With no employment they don't come and start going back.
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And if the employer is in an industry like farming and food production, taking the undocumented labor away always creates huge labor shortages.
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This is actually the law. Also crack down hard on identity theft as well.
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Stonehenge
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
#22206836 - 09/08/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obumble follows the law only when it suits him and his bum/illegal constituents. When trump gets in they will hound him like a pack of wild hunting dogs if he does 1/100 the shit obumble does all the time.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
#22206842 - 09/08/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It isn't just Obama. It has been all of them since the law was signed. They don't even try.
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Dr.Wongburger
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
#22207106 - 09/08/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: burger, you do the usual liberal trick of ignoring all things that go against your beliefs but its been said many times that we need to crack down on employers and punish those who hire illegals. Employers are easy to find unless they are the guy paying a landscaper or something. With no employment they don't come and start going back.
I have done research and I see no placement for the 6 thousand year old claim. Oh man you made me laugh when I read your post. hahaha. I do not mean that in a offensive way. whoooaaa I'm gonna go get some coffee... hahahaha
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