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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22198421 - 09/06/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is how every country on earth has come into existence. Every one.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I had no idea there were people that fucking stupid.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I had no idea there were people that fucking stupid.
You continue to insult my intelligence yet you offer no intelligent counter to what I have said.
Very Fox News of you.
That's zap for you. Actually, he has tried to clean up his act lately, I think he is running for shroomery pres or bucking for a mod job or something. But the old nasty zap comes out now and then.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22198480 - 09/06/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think that homo sapiens evolved in two separate places on the planet? Even though one of them has never had an ape population?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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"where are the resources going to come from?"
The deportation of illegals has a great return of investment, keeping them here and pissing away tax money on their social services has many asking "where are the resources going to come from?".
"Do you know what African Americans have gone threw?"
I do, yet I don't see any leaving for Africa.
"You are wrong on so many levels"
Nope, the vast majority of the American people want the enforcement of the current immigration laws, if that includes mass deportation they will also support that approach.
"If you are under the age of 18"
I most likely have double the time on this planet that you have had, but I could be wrong.
Thank you for not taking any offense at my response. I feel I can converse with you with out guilt now since we are on level - adults.
"has a great return of investment" << Please post your sources of what that return will be. It also would not hurt for you to post how much money is used towards the illegal immigrants in comparison towards the general population.
I'm not sure why they would return to Africa. They have come a long way with their struggles. The point of that was to show you what your implications are - the want to burden amongst the Hispanic population with similar prejudices and conditions. 100% legal Hispanics/Mexican people. I'm still not sure why you would want to do that.
This is a Constitutional Republic we live in, not a pure democracy. You still can't violate rights legally such as searching a house with out a warrant or probable cause. You still have not explained on the means that will be took to catch the illegal immigrants legally. You also have not posted any sources yet. There will never be voting on this subject. There is going to be no more of a mass deportation as there is now in the sense of the process of deportation that takes place.

How do you expect to catch them out side of their homes or place of stay when they leave it? Do you have a better solution than stake outs? Where are the resources going to come from? What do you do about it?
It's clearly understood houses will not be searched with out probably cause or a warrant. A Hispanic being in a place of residence does not count as probably cause.
"to catch the illegals legally"
Their place of illegal work, hospitals, car stops, on the street, ect. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Stop+and+Frisk
Illegals are a net drain on the system, an estimated $129 billion per year, but in reality the costs are much higher, dragging down wages and dropping the standard of living for US citizens.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22198522 - 09/06/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22198535 - 09/06/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol I swear history is ironic as it is ridiculous. One day humanity will look back on us with shock and disbelief how a group of people could conquer and all-but-exterminate a people and then a few hundred years claim that the descendants of the few survivors are "illegal immigrants"
It's fucking hilarious I swear.
those 'survivors' didnt originate there, they came from somewhere else
so guess what "illegal immigration since 12,000BC"
According to who? There are various scientific theories but not conclusive evidence. Nearly all if not all Native American creation stories state that they either came from "America" or they were transplanted their via ETs.
before you go on, I'd like you to know you're talking to a man that's half comanche and cherokee, in the tongue of my ancestors Numunu and Tslagi. I hear many of these stories, you want to hear a few creation stories.
long ago coyote came across a bunch of crows, not knowing what to do with them he cut a hole in his buttock, stuffed it with the crows and then stitched it up, later when he cut free the sutures it wasnt crows that emerged but the people
here's another
one day coyote and the others were riding on the back of turtle through the sea, they wondered if there was anything else and asked turtle to dive as deep as he could to find out what was under the waters, turtle went under and dived as deep as he could but came back with nothing, they begged him to try again, he did and when he came back, under his nails they found a few specks of dirt and this is where the land we know of comes from
how about you share the aliens dropped the people off story that I've only heard of just now, seeing as how all of the stories I've heard from my childhood were told just like that
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Just because it is generally accepted that humanity sprang from one source and spread outwards doesn't make it true. Matter of fact it makes just as much sense to me that humanity developed in many locations across the globe.
it makes sense to you, the problem is this 'out of africa' movement makes more sense than alien experimentation, though that certainly has nothing to do with a great migration from asia as we can see evidence of, we dont see a sudden appearance of man on this contenent other than that migration
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I love how Europeans just come over, conquer the place, and then erase the native history and replace it with their own. Too fucking funny.
speaking of migration, here's an indian story about migration, long ago when the people started to move across the world, they settled into a large grassland where the buffalo were plenty, they had a problem though, they were victims of frequent raids by giants the size of 3 men, those giants would often kill all of the braves and destroy the villages, the great nations were called together in order to deal with this threat, the fought bravely and conquered the giants that were here before them
I wonder where the history of those conquered giants are
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Trust me on this too, anthropologists have no idea how people got to America. Some believe it was via a land bridge (the most known theory yet in my mind one of these least plausible) another is via the Pacific Ocean (essentially saying that the Native Americans are descendants of the Polynesians (which in my opinion is at least more plausible than the land bridge theory)
you keep saying of your beliefs and in your mind, just because you choose to believe something it doesnt make it true, it's like believing in the bible, hell, the world is only 6000 years old and was created in 6 days. You do realize that at the time of the migration the world was emerging from an ice age, with russia only being a couple of miles from alaska, it's not implausible that there was a large land bridge between the two, we know that a great deal of the US was also under water during one of the warm periods if not more than one. the polynesian boat people would still show them as coming from elsewhere and it's still less plausible to believe that a couple of fishermen washed out to sea managed to populate 2 continents
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But in all honesty we DON'T KNOW how the Native Americans first got here. It's all speculation; and if we respected their point of view we would find that like I said earlier they either originate on this continent or where placed here by ETs. lol
YOU DONT KNOW because you choose to believe all kinds of contrived crap and as I said earlier, I'd love to hear this ET story you say you know
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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You do realize that the theory of evolution is still a theory; and regardless I'm willing to bet your knowledge about the primate fossil record of the Americas is less than satisfactory to be trying to deny the possibility of human evolution in the Americas.
That said I don't know how many primate fossils have been found in the Americas, but I think I'll look it up just for you. 
Also I hope you know that the Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't state that we evolved from apes... That's a common misconception.
"That's a common misconception"
For religious idiots and their arguments. 
BTW, you do realize we can trace back human origins with genetic testing? This isn't based on "theory" but hard scientific data.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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You do realize that the theory of evolution is still a theory; and regardless I'm willing to bet your knowledge about the primate fossil record of the Americas is less than satisfactory to be trying to deny the possibility of human evolution in the Americas.
That said I don't know how many primate fossils have been found in the Americas, but I think I'll look it up just for you. 
Also I hope you know that the Darwin's theory of evolution doesn't state that we evolved from apes... That's a common misconception.
I know that. We evolved from a common ancestor. South American monkeys are also immigrants although they have diverged from the old world monkeys in having prehensile tails. There are no new world apes
I'll ask again. Do you think homo sapiens evolved in two separate locations?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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I'm saying that I don't know exactly how humanity evolved nor do I know exactly how they came to be in the Americas.
That said it is just as probable that humanity could have evolved simultaneously (or near simultaneously) in various locations across the globe.
This is another theory of evolution; known as multi-regional evolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
Albeit I'm uncertain if this model includes the idea that humans may have involved in the Americas. However, I find that irrelevant considering it too is just a theory. I just use it here to point out that there are other ideas to how humanity evolved.
this is more scientifically proven that the nutter theory. how do indians in this nation share the same mtDNA as most indigenous people in siberia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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zappaisgod said: I have no intention of respecting every fucking whackjob creation theory. They invaded from asia. Later they got invaded from europe and africa. Tough fucking shit. They were no lesser assholes than the people who kicked their ignorant asses. Romanticizing them and believing they lived a peaceful bucolic life is the height of ignorance
You're ideas are nothing but theories. You have no proof that the natives immigrated from anywhere. They just as easily could have originated in the Americas.
The only reason you repeat that line is because of the biased anthropological society who just a hundred or so years ago claimed that Africans where not even human beings...
I am not sure that I have seen a more stupid, ignorant and misinformed post in my entire time here. And I have seen a bunch of Bill O'Reilly's and stonehenge's posts
Care to explain? I have done quite a good amount of research into anthropology. I'm no expert, but I know enough to know that our theories of native american migration are extremely flimsy and biased.
Everything I've said up to this point is true. How is that ignorant?
To me it seems more that you are a close-minded bigot who has taken THEORIES as fact.
the definition of theory: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
synonyms being: hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition; More
I think you may want to familiar yourself with what scientific theory means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
There's no "speculation or assumption" about it.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
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Just bull goose lunacy.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Prisoner#1]
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>they were victims of frequent raids by giants the size of 3 men
Might have been the cro magnon, they were larger than other humans at the time. With the usual exaggeration, a few inches taller became the size of "3 men".
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
#22199701 - 09/06/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Their place of illegal work, hospitals, car stops, on the street, ect. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Stop+and+Frisk
Illegals are a net drain on the system, an estimated $129 billion per year, but in reality the costs are much higher, dragging down wages and dropping the standard of living for US citizens.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
Bravo, bravo, you have posted your sources! 
If they believe you are involved in a crime they are allowed to legally detain you for a short period of time.
So lets say they stop one. They think one is a illegal immigrant because he's some Mexican guy. They find nothing on him, he is free to go. If they ask for a I.D. you don't have to show it. If you don't show them that can lead to a arrest and you can take it to court.
What your saying is for them to stop and frisk every single Hispanic/Mexican as if they would stop black people just because their black. Can you say lawsuits and riots?
To stop and frisk every single one in public is going to take to many resources. Huge/loads of spending money. Many of them get paid under the table. Meaning you can not find out where they work with out the "stake out" or investigating.
http://www.businessweek.com/debateroom/archives/2009/07/under-the-table_pay_is_unacceptable.html
The national debt is : "As of June 4, 2015, total U.S. debt stood at $18.153 trillion."
$129 billion barely puts a dent in that number.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22203108 - 09/07/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read your post earlier. I know it sounds crazy but there are many Christians who do not believe that the earth is only 6 thousand years old. For some reason that is a popular assumption among the general public because of some popular ministry or what not.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
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burger, you do the usual liberal trick of ignoring all things that go against your beliefs but its been said many times that we need to crack down on employers and punish those who hire illegals. Employers are easy to find unless they are the guy paying a landscaper or something. With no employment they don't come and start going back.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
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And if the employer is in an industry like farming and food production, taking the undocumented labor away always creates huge labor shortages.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
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This is actually the law. Also crack down hard on identity theft as well.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
#22206836 - 09/08/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obumble follows the law only when it suits him and his bum/illegal constituents. When trump gets in they will hound him like a pack of wild hunting dogs if he does 1/100 the shit obumble does all the time.
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