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OfflineDr.Wongburger
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
    #22185237 - 09/03/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible

If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.




Ahahaha.

You still think its possible tho. I feel like that would just push many of them into doing other means for gaining money or what ever they do for work would just become illegal if not already. It will still exists. There are citizens here who make money threw illegal means with out a job. Some times for many decades with out getting caught, even with a warrant out for their arrests. What would lead a person to assume that a illegal immigrant who has learned English would not be able to do the same?

What is your supposed number of people who would be estimated to be left over? Is there a estimation of how many of those millions of people would leave on their own?
Does Trump have sources for his estimations, or did they just make up some numbers?




Take away their illegal employment, take away their freebies (health care, education, food stamps, welfare, public housing, ect.), and take away the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.

The one's that don't leave will be deported, it's really not that complicated.




I completely agree that taking away the benefits will get rid of allot of them and that its a good thing to do. However what I did not like is the trying to round them all up, I had placed the stand point of rounding them up. Particularly all at once (originally speaking). I just did/do not see it happening(if executed this way-all at once).

My thoughts now are, how many will leave and where does this estimation come from. After all, this is a serious issue, not a experiment. If millions would stay then it would be valid to say that rounding them up would not be possible, and illegal employment would exist.

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">Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible

If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave."


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22185282 - 09/03/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"rounding them up would not be possible"

We know where they live, this isn't rocket science. We may not get 100% of them, but 90% would be very easy.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
    #22185296 - 09/03/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
>Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible

If you had read my post you would see the answer is to stop them from getting employment. Then they round themselves up and leave.




Ahahaha.

You still think its possible tho. I feel like that would just push many of them into doing other means for gaining money or what ever they do for work would just become illegal if not already. It will still exists. There are citizens here who make money threw illegal means with out a job. Some times for many decades with out getting caught, even with a warrant out for their arrests. What would lead a person to assume that a illegal immigrant who has learned English would not be able to do the same?

What is your supposed number of people who would be estimated to be left over? Is there a estimation of how many of those millions of people would leave on their own?
Does Trump have sources for his estimations, or did they just make up some numbers?




Take away their illegal employment, take away their freebies (health care, education, food stamps, welfare, public housing, ect.), and take away the anchor baby policy and they will leave on their own.

The one's that don't leave will be deported, it's really not that complicated.




I completely agree that taking away the benefits will get rid of allot of them and that its a good thing to do. However what I do not like is the trying to round them all up, I have been arguing on the stand point of rounding them up. Particularly all at once (originally speaking). I just do not see it happening.
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"rounding them up would not be possible"

We know where they live, this isn't rocket science. We may not get 100% of them, but 90% would be very easy.




What leads you to believe you will not need a authoritarian state of Government to do this?


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
    #22185347 - 09/03/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I mean for example let's say I'm housing a illegal immigrant. You think I'm going to let the police or some force in with out a warrant? Do you understand how many warrants they will have to get. They can't just bust into some peoples homes and take them away.

Oh what, Is some government force gonna sit around in their cars and drink coffee to watch for them walking down the streets to bust em? Where are all these resources going to come from to do something like that.. There's not enough enforcement to make that happen that way.

If they make it to where they don't need a warrant now all the sudden the Government can come into your home simply with the "We think your housing a illegal immigrant" excuse.. because you had your Mexican friends over.

That implies more Tyranny than the drug war.

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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22185556 - 09/03/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean for example let's say I'm housing a illegal immigrant. You think I'm going to let the police or some force in with out a warrant? Do you understand how many warrants they will have to get. They can't just bust into some peoples homes and take them away.

Oh what, Is some government force gonna sit around in their cars and drink coffee to watch for them walking down the streets to bust em? Where are all these resources going to come from to do something like that.. There's not enough enforcement to make that happen that way.

If they make it to where they don't need a warrant now all the sudden the Government can come into your home simply with the "We think your housing a illegal immigrant" excuse.. because you had your Mexican friends over.

That implies more Tyranny than the drug war.

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If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.

The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.

I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. :lol:


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: qman]
    #22185753 - 09/03/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If you're a US citizen, I don't think there will be anything to worry about, in fact most Americans would be welling to sacrifice a small inconvenience for the effort to remove these illegals.

The real tyranny is being invaded in your own country, their removal will be liberating both economically and culturally.

I really wouldn't get caught up in the logistics, it's not going to take detective work to find them. :lol:




I'm not willing to give up any of my Liberty or rights for this cause. Logistics or management of the supplies and transport required for this operation is very on spot and important in relation to this issue. The handling of this operation would be major in importance if it will cause you to have loss of rights or liberty's.

After all, the definition of liberty is as follows - Personal freedom from servitude, confinement or oppression. - freedom from arbitrary or despotic control

Why would I want to allow my Government to oppress me more than it has?

I'm not sure why any one would want to enable despotic control upon the people.

It would be arbitrary to allow such means: Based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice.<<<<


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 2
    #22187378 - 09/04/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We quit giving them drivers licenses like the moonbats in cali are doing. No more handouts or services, that will do the job. Yes, a few will remain and live by stealing and so on but with most of them out, we can focus on the ones remaining.

You really think they all speak good English and know their constitutional rights? Lol. We need to get started on this and trump is the only one who will do it. Zap might even hold his nose and vote for him if he gets the nomination.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #22187434 - 09/04/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante] * 2
    #22187774 - 09/04/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>Every one wants to get rich off the illegal immigrants

Yeah, we are getting rich working part time for crap wages while the illegals take many jobs away and lower the pay for everyone. The rich folk are doing fine, the big factory owners, big agriculture, etc love the illegals. Why are you on the side of the rich and against the poor working stiff?


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22187814 - 09/04/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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We quit giving them drivers licenses like the moonbats in cali are doing. No more handouts or services, that will do the job. Yes, a few will remain and live by stealing and so on but with most of them out, we can focus on the ones remaining.

You really think they all speak good English and know their constitutional rights? Lol. We need to get started on this and trump is the only one who will do it. Zap might even hold his nose and vote for him if he gets the nomination.




Regardless the Government can't lawfully violate any rights or do anything unconstitutional. I'm not sure what your poking at here. lol.

More than one candidate wants to take away their benefits, Donald, Romney, Ted Cruz, maybe others if they keep switching their positions. (according to the article below)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/16/a-guide-to-2016-republican-candidates-positions-on-illegal-immigration/

I'm not sure how one, lets say if you wanted to persuade me, could convince a person to give Donald his or her vote solely based on that part of the issue. Due to you mentioning Donald Trump and then on top of the article I just read, I do not see him as the only one who would do this.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22187854 - 09/04/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They have the constitutional right to be deported.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22187867 - 09/04/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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They have the constitutional right to be deported.




Every one is innocent until proven guilty.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22187897 - 09/04/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually when we catch them we can throw them right back.  Overstayed visas?  Another no problem.  Visa expires?  You are fucking gone.  See ya.  Baby born here?  The baby can stay.  You have to go.  Out damn spot.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22187984 - 09/04/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually when we catch them we can throw them right back.  Overstayed visas?  Another no problem.  Visa expires?  You are fucking gone.  See ya.  Baby born here?  The baby can stay.  You have to go.  Out damn spot.




Sources bruh, sources.

If they, in fact do that (which sources would not hurt), its unlawful.

Presumption of Innocence:
"A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence."

By those things you mentioned maybe they are proven guilty. However you are still innocent until proven guilty.

If they can not prove that the illegal immigrant is illegal, its not gonna be able to happen that easily.


http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Innocent+until+proven+guilty


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22188207 - 09/04/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If they catch them at the border they can throw them right back.  If they overstay their visa they can throw them right out.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22188559 - 09/04/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Eliminate the jobs for illegals and they will deport themselves. Those who don't, can be rounded up. I don't expect all to be gone in one year but the more the laws are enforced the better. As it is now under the idiot in the white house, there are more coming over every day.

We can reverse the flow, elect trump, he is the only one who will do it. Jeb won't do it, the bitch won't do it and biden or sanders won't do it. Only trump has the guts to do it.




This would require a green card for every one with verification. The Government would be going door to door. I think the idea is just impossible. If any one thinks the whats going on is crazy with the drug war?! Wait until they see Government start busting into houses under the suspicions that some one is housing a illegal immigrant!




The legals already have a green card or are citizens. You hire someone with no proof of citizenship, no green card and no valid ss number, you the employer should get big fines. Its not rocket science, its pretty easy. Cut off the employment and they deport themselves. The few who don't get rounded up and put in jail. No more limo rides to the border, hard jail time then they are deported to a destination of our choosing.




Rounding them all up- 15 million people just does not seem plausible. How many people where rounded up in the holocaust, something like 16-20 million? How did they do that, didn't they go door to door using guns demanding every one to come out so they could get the Jews out from amongst them?




Nobody would have to be "Rounded Up" if the government would have been following the immigration laws that we already have. It's the lawlessness that got us into this mess now they're the ones whining about what it takes to fix it. And this "Round Them Up" phrase is being pumped out there by the media and politicians to make everyone feel sorry for the unwelcome intruders they have invited into OUR country. Maybe if all the politicians didn't live in gated communities they might understand.


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22188625 - 09/04/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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>Every one wants to get rich off the illegal immigrants

Yeah, we are getting rich working part time for crap wages while the illegals take many jobs away and lower the pay for everyone. The rich folk are doing fine, the big factory owners, big agriculture, etc love the illegals. Why are you on the side of the rich and against the poor working stiff?





I'm on The People's side, I'm merely pointing out that the immigrants who are so maligned in this thread are duped just like the citizenry, by Big Money as usual.

Just showing y'all that your anger is misdirected. The problem isn't downstairs, its upstairs.




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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante]
    #22188708 - 09/04/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The big money supports illegals,  I seriously wonder if you know anything at all


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22188721 - 09/04/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The only immigrants I thin should go back from were they came are Muslims


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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22188734 - 09/04/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All illegals.  Period.


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