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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22176162 - 09/01/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!!
No one? I think most people are against drug trafficking more than illegal immigration.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Space Elf]
#22176191 - 09/01/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Space Elf said:
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!!
No one does? I think most people are against drug trafficking more than illegal immigration.
"However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems."
lol It's weird isn't it? It's such a weird world!
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22176216 - 09/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said:
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
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Drugs don't cause crime, prohibition does. Alcohol causes a fair amount of crime but all the other drugs the crime is to get money to pay the high prices of prohibition. There is almost no crime actually cause by the drugs.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye]
#22176243 - 09/01/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said:
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Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
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Drugs don't cause crime, prohibition does. Alcohol causes a fair amount of crime but all the other drugs the crime is to get money to pay the high prices of prohibition. There is almost no crime actually cause by the drugs.
I feel ya man, its ashame that it is /they are (drugs) crime, being punishable by law. However can we consider something a crime if it goes unseen? I think we can but some people would argue that we can't. Is crime in it's honest defense only considered crime by its rate?
These are things I like to think about. Right now I view crime as crime rather it goes unseen or not. That's just my current views.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye]
#22176255 - 09/01/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The late great Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman thought we should legalize them. He made a pretty good case.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: my3rdeye]
#22176261 - 09/01/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If a drug its self is a crime, just 'its existence' as is, can we say that it has not caused a crime just by being in existence(the substance)? If so, would it still be a crime or would its result of causing crime go away if in the hands of a authority figure such as the DEA or police?
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Astral Pain]
#22176266 - 09/01/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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mum say 'lize 'em make 'em pay taxes
i say kick them the fuck out cuz they dont wanna 'symalate
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Astral Pain]
#22176309 - 09/01/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: The late great Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman thought we should legalize them. He made a pretty good case.
That was a great video. I watched the entire thing and shall share with friends!
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22182301 - 09/03/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude drugs and immigrants are apples and oranges. This doesnt make any sense. And hold no merit.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Shroomslip]
#22182356 - 09/03/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: I'm all for home grown drugs.
I'm all for home grown illegal immigrants.

On a serious note, there's said to be 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. That number is way off and closer to double that; roughly 20 million.
That's ~8% of the American population.
Think about that for a minute, 8% of the American population is made up of illegal immigrants. What do you think would happen if they suddenly all vanished tomorrow?
Most local economies would crumble leading to the national economy going on the fritz as well.
I'm very opposed to illegal immigration but I don't believe that "getting rid of all of them" is going to solve any problems. They will keep coming and that's a fact.
Something needs to be done where they are forced to go though the proper channels to become permanent residents and/or eventually citizens. The problem with what I think should happen is that most illegals don't have the money available to go through the proper channels, so they basically end up stealing from American's pockets.
Maybe making it easier to become a resident or citizen is something we need to look into. People will continue coming here no matter what. If a ridiculous, giant wall was erected, the Mexicans would slow their progress into this country, but what about the millions of other illegals that come here from dozens if not hundreds of different countries around the world?
I really don't know what the answer is, nor do I think anyone in government does currently. I just want to hear some good ideas on how to rectify the problem.
Simply stating that you don't like 8% of the population because they came to this country to make a better life for themselves and their families illegaly is pretty damn ignorant in my eyes. An incredibly vague generalization that resembles saying you hate every illegal drug there is because after all, it's illegal.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger] 1
#22182364 - 09/03/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: However NO ONE wants to get rid of their illegal drugs!!!!! Or so it seems.
Which causes/is more crime. Illegal immigrants or illegal drugs?
drugs dont cause crime any more than forks cause obesity
people cause crimes
illegal aliens are people
now for this...
let me ask, if illegals are here illegally and they work under the table, the only taxes they pay are sales tax since they obviously wont be filing a 1099
isnt that money from the government coffers?
if the illegals are working illegally but paying into the system via payroll deduct, how exactly are they doing it, wouldnt they need a social security number? the dont issue SSNs to illegals so wouldnt they be having to use the information for someone else? isnt that identity theft? as I recall, that's a criminal act, a felony in most if not all states... so now we have illegals adding to the crime rate
now i those SSNs the illegals are using belong to living people doesnt that fuck those people on things such as their SSI benefits, disability and in the case of low income people, their welfare/food stamps that they may need to support their children, those that are working and paying in are now paying for 2 jobs which places them in a higher tax bracket that they're unaware of because they arent actually working that second job, now the IRS places liens against their property and files charges for tax evasion in which hey have to pay a lawyer to get shit straightened out... so these illegal now have a felony they're committing and they're fucking citizens... felonious fuckery
so wait... they arent working under the table, they arent going the identity theft route, so that means thy must surely be collecting some government benefit, I know, the feds tell us that's illegal but those little anchor babies manage to get their parents on government assistance because the babies are citizens. now these illegals are collecting government aid which could be going to help those in need... again, it's a crime
oh, so they arent working under or over the table, they arent collecting governemnt assistance, then how exactly do they make their money? I mean I'm not aware of anyone that's got charitable organizations supporting them to the extent of paying the bills, feeding, clothing, housing and providing them transportation, of coourse if you know that 20 million of them are being supported in this way then maybe you should hook us up with that info because the only other option would be criminal activity such as robbery/burglary/drugs
once more, criminal activity from illegals, many of whom have anchor babies that they exploit to keep committing the crimes without deportation
tell us again how illegals dont contribute to the crime rate
tell us again how they arent hurting citizens
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: kr0nik0] 2
#22182375 - 09/03/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: Think about that for a minute, 8% of the American population is made up of illegal immigrants. What do you think would happen if they suddenly all vanished tomorrow?
Most local economies would crumble leading to the national economy going on the fritz as well.
how many jobs would soon be available? how much money would employers be willing to offer to fill those jobs because at this point it becomes a seekers market.
illegal immigration has had a huge impact on maintaining low wages, wages for construction laborers havent increased in 30 years, how does that play into the whole living wage pile of crap people wanna push. oust the illegals and employers are forced to compete for labor, competition means higher wages
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22182438 - 09/03/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think a lot of people don't understand that many undocumented workers do pay taxes, if they get payroll via a bogus social security number they pay taxes.
Just seems no one ever mentions this. I agree with kroniko they need to be able to achieve citizenship through the right way, maybe that way needs to be adjusted.
What is happening in Europe right now is the same thing we have going on here, they flee their homes because they want a chance at a real life.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22182445 - 09/03/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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10's if not 100's of thousands of positions would become available. I still think that local economies would have a lot of trouble adjusting immediately, but over time of course it would be for the best if there were no illegals here.
I agree with you on those points but I just don't see how you make 20 million people vanish at the drop of a hat. Especially considering that our government doesn't have any record of half of them ever even being here.
If there's a easy way to make that happen, I'm all for it.
I think you may have read some of my previous posts regarding illegal immigration. It's something very close to my heart and something I really despise.
I just don't see an easy solution unfortunately.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
#22182470 - 09/03/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Illegal Immigrants and Methamphetamine both trim your lawn and paint your fence
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Asante]
#22182527 - 09/03/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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People complain about illegal immigrants but how much are they really affecting your life? Is your life so bad because they want a better life? Sure, people complain their hard-earned money ends up in their pockets and they 'don't work' (hah) for the benefits they receive... But seriously, is it really making your life terrible? Are they making it impossible for you to afford your food and clothes? I don't see why we can't mind our own business. It's not our job to play god or claim land which is 'ours' away from fellow earthlings.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: kr0nik0]
#22182623 - 09/03/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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kr0nik0 said: 10's if not 100's of thousands of positions would become available. I still think that local economies would have a lot of trouble adjusting immediately, but over time of course it would be for the best if there were no illegals here.
I agree with you on those points but I just don't see how you make 20 million people vanish at the drop of a hat. Especially considering that our government doesn't have any record of half of them ever even being here.
If there's a easy way to make that happen, I'm all for it.
I think you may have read some of my previous posts regarding illegal immigration. It's something very close to my heart and something I really despise.
I just don't see an easy solution unfortunately.
The solution really isn't that difficult, get rid of the anchor baby policy like all developed nations have done in the past 20 years, get rid of the freebies, and go after the employers that hire them.
If they are any left after those polices are put into place, you deport them.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Akeldama]
#22182626 - 09/03/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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 what part of illegal alien dont you understand
they don't even have identities
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: Akeldama]
#22182648 - 09/03/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Akeldama said: People complain about illegal immigrants but how much are they really affecting your life? Is your life so bad because they want a better life? Sure, people complain their hard-earned money ends up in their pockets and they 'don't work' (hah) for the benefits they receive... But seriously, is it really making your life terrible? Are they making it impossible for you to afford your food and clothes? I don't see why we can't mind our own business. It's not our job to play god or claim land which is 'ours' away from fellow earthlings.
They create an excess pool of labor, that brings down wages for EVERYONE, they also use 7 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, that brings down the standard of living for ALL US citizens.
"I don't see why we can't mind our own business"
They have invaded the US, now it's our business.
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Re: Every one wants to get rid of the illegal immigrants [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
#22182688 - 09/03/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ReposadoXochipilli said: I think a lot of people don't understand that many undocumented workers do pay taxes, if they get payroll via a bogus social security number they pay taxes.
Just seems no one ever mentions this. I agree with kroniko they need to be able to achieve citizenship through the right way, maybe that way needs to be adjusted.
What is happening in Europe right now is the same thing we have going on here, they flee their homes because they want a chance at a real life.
People in low wage jobs do not pay enough in taxes to make up for what they consume in services and like Pris said if they are paying taxes they have stolen someone's identification. Further, around here, illegals in construction work for cash.
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