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Has anyone had a similar realization?
    #22175455 - 09/01/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I recently tripped for my first (and currently only) time on cube mushrooms. I experienced transcendence of my physical form. (I had to edit this post with the term because that's what I was originally looking for.)

It is hard to remember exactly how I was feeling since its been about 5 days since the trip, but I'll do the best I can.

I essentially felt that my body wasn't "me". I didn't want to eat in that moment because I was aware that while my body was what was keeping me conscious or alive (or so I've thought in the past), I would get no benefit from the nourishment, no enjoyment from the food, or no perceivable change while tripping even worth the chewing. I felt like a slave to my body, which is one of the best descriptions I can remember giving. I began to question why I needed to sleep, and became perplexed by all of the functions of the autonomous nervous system I did not command. I was currently sick and blew my nose with disgust and annoyance, but had this realization that "I" had actually produced all of that snot, keeping myself safer in some way, but in a way my "self" did not control, but my body. I felt that when my body slept, I was being involuntarily shut off, that in some way, I existed beyond my physical form and I was limited by physical constraints. I did not lose my identity entirely; I knew there was a "me" somewhere, I just felt an out of body experience in a way, but one unique to a 3rd person view of my body, which I also briefly experienced during this trip on several occasions.

I could still differentiate "myself" from other things. I guess I just didn't know who or what I was beyond my physical form, but I knew I existed independently of my body. Maybe someone else could share a similar experience or help me talk through this, because I continue to think about it a lot.

EDIT: Transcendence,


Edited by Kosky (09/01/15 08:13 PM)


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22175584 - 09/01/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You are right--it sounds like some kind of out of the body thing. Ego does not equate with body.

It sounds like a valuable experience, however. It conveys a real insight, seems to me. Now you know--as contrasted with just believe--that you are not your body, or that you are more than just your body. Now you know what that feels like. A big thing, I would say. If a psychologist could give you that experience, he would charge you plenty for the service.


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: champinhom]
    #22175644 - 09/01/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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champinhom said:
You are right--it sounds like some kind of out of the body thing. Ego does not equate with body.

It sounds like a valuable experience, however. It conveys a real insight, seems to me. Now you know--as contrasted with just believe--that you are not your body, or that you are more than just your body. Now you know what that feels like. A big thing, I would say. If a psychologist could give you that experience, he would charge you plenty for the service.




I've never been a religious person, so I've always maintained a mild excitement for death. If I were to cease to exist, it would no longer matter to me at all. The only other possibility is that there is some secret to existence that could be revealed or that I might be reborn in some sense.

Experiencing this has given me hope that there is something beyond this current physical life, and I will forever wonder what that might be.

EDIT: This definition I found is exactly the mindset I was in.

'Transcending Duality:
Every argument, prejudice, and "noble cause" consists of two sides
of a single issue (Duality).

To Transcend Duality means to "ascend to", or "Travel to", a
Higher Realm of Consciousness where the Dual Nature of the
material realm no longer disturbs or concerns us. It is being
Aware of, and Indifferent to, the arguments, prejudices, and
"noble causes" that govern and control the lives of so many
people.

Transcending Duality means Becoming "unattached observers" of
the Events happening all around us and understanding that we are
"in this world, but not of it".'

From http://www.aseekersthoughts.com/2008/12/transcending-duality.html


Edited by Kosky (09/01/15 08:35 PM)


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22175896 - 09/01/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I Am That

”I see what you too could see, here and now, but for the wrong focus of your attention. You give no attention to your self. Your mind is all with things, people and ideas, never with your self. Bring your self into focus, become aware of your own existence. See how you function, watch the motives and the results of your actions. Study the prison you have built around yourself by inadvertence. By knowing what you are not, you come to know your self. The way back to your self is through refusal and rejection. One thing is certain: the real is not imaginary, it is not a product of the mind. Even the sense ‘I am’ is not continuous, though it is a useful pointer; it shows where to seek, but not what to seek. Just have a good look at it. Once you are convinced that you cannot say truthfully about your self anything except ‘I am’, and that nothing that can be pointed at, can be your self, the need for the ‘I am’ is over -- you are no longer intent on verbalising what you are. All you need is to get rid of the tendency to define your self. All definitions apply to your body only and to its expressions. Once this obsession with the body goes, you will revert to your natural state, spontaneously and effortlessly. The only difference between us is that I am aware of my natural state, while you are bemused. Just like gold made into ornaments has no advantage over gold dust, except when the mind makes it so, so are we one in being -- we differ only in appearance. We discover it by being earnest, by searching, enquiring, questioning daily and hourly, by giving one's life to this discovery.“


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22176020 - 09/01/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

OP, sounds to me you've already received a taste of what non-corporeal "existence" is like, and that's no mean thing at all.  Your experience is not uncommon at all for psychedelic users, for many people it's what they tend to seek.

But what I suggest you're sensing is your spirit self, transcendence yes, but it's nothing to do with "ego" at all.  Some people will never get these kind of feelings, others will have them during their normal sober existence and know them well.  Be glad. :thumbup:


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22177589 - 09/02/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It really has been a life changing feeling/realization. I still question how I should process the feelings I've experienced in a state of "insanity," but I have a lot of time to explore and search further to challenge my current worldview.


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22181837 - 09/03/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess I just didn't know who or what I was beyond my physical form, but I knew I existed independently of my body.




There's something slightly dissociative about mushrooms, where the feeling of being a mind-within-a-body can change. I find that the onset of the trip can feel very physical, with a feeling of being embodied or trapped within my body.

Within the trip it can start to become confusing trying to distinguish between bodily feelings and thoughts in the mind, the trip can feel like it has a physical presence beyond the mind, that it is something total that affects everything.

As the trip builds towards a peak I find this feeling shifts towards a sense that there is an independent realm of consciousness which is more fundamental than the physical "real" world:

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I've always maintained a mild excitement for death. If I were to cease to exist, it would no longer matter to me at all. The only other possibility is that there is some secret to existence that could be revealed or that I might be reborn in some sense.




It links into this kind of feeling - that your consciousness is independent of your physical body and can transcend physical death.

I mentioned something similar in a post about dealing with panic during a trip:

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If the trip gets really strong and escalates towards oblivion, that can also feel like death approaching. I find I can accept this more readily during a strong trip because it feels like consciousness is something separating from my physical body, that this consciousness will continue after the approaching "death". It's a bit delusional, but it does sometimes feel like the trip is navigating towards and through death, and it's better to just "go with it".




There's the feeling that consciousness is independent of the normal physical world, but there's also the possibility for a trip to get to a point where it feels like even this basic level of consciousness (where you "feel like yourself" as a unified whole)  is under threat.

If the trip gets to the end point where it feels like this is being obliterated, that's when things can get to a point which feels like a revelation of strange secrets - the sense of a being an independent unified "whole" individual is replaced with the sense of dissolving and merging into something much greater and more significant.

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The only other possibility is that there is some secret to existence that could be revealed or that I might be reborn in some sense. Experiencing this has given me hope that there is something beyond this current physical life, and I will forever wonder what that might be.




That's the interesting thing about tripping - at high doses you get a flood of these kind of secrets, a genuine feeling that at last you understand what happens beyond death. The catch is that these "realizations" are very hard to pin down or separate from the incredible maze of delusions that the trip gets lost within.

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It really has been a life changing feeling/realization. I still question how I should process the feelings I've experienced in a state of "insanity," but I have a lot of time to explore and search further to challenge my current worldview.




Yes. I think some of the buddhist ideas are quite helpful as a way of thinking about states of mind that can't be adequately conceptualized, also it can be helpful to bear in mind the current scientific conception of the brain and what it does.

During a trip these "realizations" feel like something very basic and obvious, a feeling of coming home, but after the trip it's hard to place yourself back in the mindset that made you write something in your trip journal like this:

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To transcend your mind and your species and your reality. This is the message that lies here. This is the future. This is what I am telling you. Your death is just a new life. You are nothing. Whatever exists, exists within and without you and you should accept it and not fear it.




I don't like to spend too long pondering this kind of thing when I'm sober, but I do like to trip occasionally just to re-experience this feeling of transcendence.

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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22182231 - 09/03/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Process it SLOW and don't FORCE yourself to try to understand it. I've came up with some wild ideas of "what this means" or "what my subconscious is trying to tell me" the first  few days after a trip, it usually takes AT LEAST a week or so to start piecing it together and process it all. Besides that it often takes people MANY sessions to even start to process it. After you feel you understand what it means, have another session if you are comfortable with it and contemplate the "beliefs" you concluded from your past experiences. Once your to the point where you draw the same conclusions after every session, consider yourself "enlightened". However, this is MY opinion on how to use these substances. I'm sure many people will back me up on these beliefs but others may disagree. Also, different psychadelics give you different "realizations". For me mushrooms really have helped me focus on myself and what I need to work on, while LSD helps me to understand the world around me and how to best integrate myself into it the proper way. Hope you get it all figured out bro and may your future trips be full of love and understanding!


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #22182710 - 09/03/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Aldebaran said:
Yes. I think some of the buddhist ideas are quite helpful as a way of thinking about states of mind that can't be adequately conceptualized, also it can be helpful to bear in mind the current scientific conception of the brain and what it does.





Buddhist "ideas" are often mistakenly applied as a way of "thinking" about fundamental mind states (i.e., those that appear to lie beneath the level of conscious awareness and are inaccessible to ordinary conscious awareness) but this never really works, and Buddhism itself goes to considerable pains to point out exactly THAT it never really works.  It's useless to try; part of Buddhist training or practice (at least in some schools) is to repeatedly attempt to accomplish this task, and fail, until realization dawns that superficial consciousness is only one of a large realms of forms of being in the world.

Unfortunately, in the west, and for the most part with western science to date, all we have as a "tool" for this exploration is that same superficial consciousness.  You can't get there from here.  Psychedelics WILL take you there, but there's a price you pay for that journey, and it's this dissociative sense you mention, the apparent separation of body and mind or mind and spirit, an uneasy kind of sense that although "you're" embarking on the journey, "you" can't really arrive at the destination.  This is simple fundamentally true.

No matter what kind of language you couch it in, "ego death" or "transcendence" or "attaining godhead", it all suffers from the limitations of language (particularly English, as opposed to, say, Sanskrit) to point at the thing underlying itself with any sort of fidelity.

There's no solution to this that can be described in words.  Neurophysiology doesn't begin to approach it.  The FELT experience is so much more, and moves in so many more directions, than anybody's conceptualization allows, that you can chase around the edges of it all your life and never get anywhere.  Or, you can approach it directly and fearlessly and obtain the direct experience that removes all doubt.  There's a really good reason why the Buddha held up a single flower and twirled it, without saying a single word.

YMMV, of course.


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Re: Is there a term for this experience/Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22183437 - 09/03/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you mean the YOU as a spirit was outside of YOUR BODY right ? ...

exteriorization phenomena.. nothing special here. you do the same when you sleep every night but you just dont remember it..


ps you dont need to be religious to trust about this.

i dont have any religion, and i know we are spirit and not body x)

ive been out of my body couple of time.

Also when you die, the body die not the you as a SPIRIT energy entity call it how the heck you want.

ho and the feeling you have on mush, the love the colours and those thing.. well you can have this without substance x)


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Re: Has anyone had a similar realization? [Re: Kosky]
    #22191370 - 09/05/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I remember having a revelation that no matter what happens in my life time....I will always be trapped within the vision of my own two eyeballs. I can look through lenses....or at the tv through somebody else's view....but I will always be confined (in regards to vision) to my own eyes. It was a round about way of viewing my life.....I am who I am and no matter what happens I will be confined to the body I have been given.

I used to trip all the time and I am sure I have felt that exact way before as well....I don't think it is entirely uncommon. about 7 or 8 years ago I would fry every fry day :laugh: and I can hardly remember shit about those trips. Now I like to spread them out....it makes them more meaningful and special.

You essentially felt your spirit separate from your body and went into another plane of existence. Pretty fucking cool shit.


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