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Apropos to the bassfreak ban * 2
    #22175147 - 09/01/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/01/its-now-or-never-teen-girl-facing-manslaughter-charge-after-egging-boyfriend-on-to-kill-himself/


This is one of the most disgusting prosecutions I have ever seen brought.  She did nothing to physically facilitate his demise.  This is a momstrous imposition of state power.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175194 - 09/01/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lol, if it was a man who coerced a woman to kill herself, most peoples opinions would be opposite and this would be a national story on every station. but alas, the victim is a man and and that makes this hardly newsworthy



but i dont agree that she did nothing to facilitate his demise, there is very clear evidence that she egged him on and tried to get him to kill himself.

as far as i'm concerned, i hope this stupid cunt goes to prison just because shes obviously an extremely evil person.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
    #22175196 - 09/01/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #22175205 - 09/01/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

give that bitch the electric chair, she's a terrible piece of shit cunt. do you think she's a sweetheart?


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22175212 - 09/01/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow - that is pretty sad. I'm pretty sure the bitch also started some kind of memorial fundraiser or something too before these charges were ever pressed. Fucked up.

Too bad bassfreak doesn't get to see this thread :sad:


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Sheekle]
    #22175214 - 09/01/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Encouraging suicide and murder aren't even in the same ball park.

Though the story is fucked up, and that girl is obviously psychotic.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175223 - 09/01/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TheNatureKid said:
Encouraging suicide and murder aren't even in the same ball park.

Though the story is fucked up, and that girl is obviously psychotic.





yeah. murder is usually a spur-of-the-moment type thing. meticulously convincing someone to kill themselves over the course of months is way, way more evil.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
    #22175232 - 09/01/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did you read the end of the conversation?

Apparently he backed out, and left his car, and she encouraged him to return to the car and off himself.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin] * 1
    #22175237 - 09/01/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you all think the Shroomery was complicit in Ripper's suicide?


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175265 - 09/01/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Do you all think the Shroomery was complicit in Ripper's suicide?





peopled egged him on to do drugs, sure. and those members may be partially complicit. but i doubt they actually wanted that dude to kill himself



that isnt the same as trying to convince someone to kill themselves over the course of months.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
    #22175287 - 09/01/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All she did was talk to him. Ultimately it was his decision to do it or not.




As shitty as it is for anyone to kill themselves, the quoted statement is pretty accurate.

Quote:

she’s claiming that her messages with Roy were speech protected by the First Amendment and that the charges should be thrown out.




What do you all make of this? I am inclined to agree, though it is shitty and malicious, it is up to the person.
I would never seriously encourage suicide, but the argument is valid in her defense.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
    #22175295 - 09/01/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That evil cunt should rot in jail for the rest of her pathetic life

Sadly I don't think she will because she didn't actually kill him.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK] * 1
    #22175307 - 09/01/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Speech should be protected by the First Amendment when it comes to public domain (it was originally intended to protect freedom of protest really)

You can't just say anything you want in real life without consequences hence slander


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Detached]
    #22175317 - 09/01/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well in the context, it was a private conversation on privately owned devices.

He could have blocked her, ignored her, reported her for harassment, etc, yet none of that was done.

I'm not defending her, she is a terrible human being.
I am simply playing devil's advocate for the desire for an intellectual conversation on the state of Freedom of Speech.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK] * 2
    #22175329 - 09/01/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TheNatureKid said:
Quote:

All she did was talk to him. Ultimately it was his decision to do it or not.




As shitty as it is for anyone to kill themselves, the quoted statement is pretty accurate.

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she’s claiming that her messages with Roy were speech protected by the First Amendment and that the charges should be thrown out.




What do you all make of this? I am inclined to agree, though it is shitty and malicious, it is up to the person.
I would never seriously encourage suicide, but the argument is valid in her defense.




Bassfreak suggested that Viva should kill herself.  He got banned but should he be prosecuted criminally?  Numerous members here encouraged Ripper.  Where is the line drawn? 

This is a very dangerous prosecution.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #22175339 - 09/01/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bassfreak said it once and barely knew her, so his words had little merit. This lady actually wanted the dude to die, and tried really hard to make it happen


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175359 - 09/01/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, it is a sad state of affairs when somebody may kill themselves off of the opinion of anonymous internet posters, at least with the original topic (the guy and girl) the two knew each other in person, and had numerous physical interactions.

I am worried about people who let anonymous internet users get to them so deeply, it speaks volumes for their self esteem and self worth.

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Bassfreak said it once and barely knew her, so his words had little merit. This lady actually wanted the dude to die, and tried really hard to make it happen




Exactly, so in the context of the Shroomery, It's disturbing to think someone would let Bassfreak's opinion have a serious impact on the decision for if they should end their own life. It is absurd.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Sheekle]
    #22175371 - 09/01/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

She didn't hire anybody.  All she did was talk.  This is very bad.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175373 - 09/01/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Viva said she didn't really care that Bassfreak said it to her and didn't expect him to be perma'd.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Sheekle]
    #22175385 - 09/01/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
She didn't hire anybody.  All she did was talk.  This is very bad.




Too bad people won't defend her because of the situation, Yeah she is a terrible person, but is she truely responsible for his death? She didn't put a gun to his head, all she did was say do it.


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Viva said she didn't really care that Bassfreak said it to her and didn't expect him to be perma'd.




I don't know her, I've talked to her literally one time.

But all hell broke lose shortly after that incident, if they are related or a coincidence, I don't know.
Like any Mod will say, his ban was due to regular malicious behavior, "unshroomery" behavior.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175397 - 09/01/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ripper is a gangster


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175401 - 09/01/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
I agree, it is a sad state of affairs when somebody may kill themselves off of the opinion of anonymous internet posters, at least with the original topic (the guy and girl) the two knew each other in person, and had numerous physical interactions.

I am worried about people who let anonymous internet users get to them so deeply, it speaks volumes for their self esteem and self worth.

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Bassfreak said it once and barely knew her, so his words had little merit. This lady actually wanted the dude to die, and tried really hard to make it happen




Exactly, so in the context of the Shroomery, It's disturbing to think someone would let Bassfreak's opinion have a serious impact on the decision for if they should end their own life. It is absurd.



Viva did not kill herself and is alive and well.  Multiple memnbers egged Ripper on.  Now please tell me why this woman is being chsrged.  Is it a crime if i tell you to kill yourself?  Is it only a crime if you do kill yourself.  If you tell the bitch to fuck off did she commit a crime?


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175420 - 09/01/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think so Zappa, I don't want to live in a world where that is a crime.

Like I have previously said, I would not encourage suicide and have been in a similar situation as the OP story, and encouraged them to seek help.

If I post on a YouTube Video saying

"This is a terrible video, you are a terrible person,
You should end yourself"

And the mother fucker does, am I responsible?

I don't know, it is hard to say, these two knew each other for a long length of time, It is not stated in the link you shared, but the other day I read an article about this story that had the text conversation between the two, and you can tell how far she was egging him to go on.

I'll look for it and post it.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175446 - 09/01/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This probably constitutes a flagrant violation of her first amendment right to free speech.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175453 - 09/01/15 07:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you all think the Shroomery was complicit in Ripper's suicide?





Ripper was that guy that overdosed on camera taking enormous quantities of benzos and other prescription drugs right? I'm garbage with names.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175474 - 09/01/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This wasn't an isolated incident of someone trolling on Youtube on the internet.. This was her boyfriend.

I don't think speech between two private parties should be protected in these type of situations..

What if someone tells you that they are going to go on a murder spree before they actually do and you choose not to alarm anyone - doesn't that make you partly responsible?


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Cj-B]
    #22175477 - 09/01/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cj-B said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Do you all think the Shroomery was complicit in Ripper's suicide?





Ripper was that guy that overdosed on camera taking enormous quantities of benzos and other prescription drugs right? I'm garbage with names.




Yes while some people encouraged it.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Cj-B]
    #22175486 - 09/01/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know about the video thing.  It predates my membership.  It is how I found out about the site.  I read about Ripper in the nwspaper.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Detached]
    #22175488 - 09/01/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Following the text messages. Carter and Conrad spoke on the phone for almost an hour. During the phone call Conrad had decided that he no longer wanted to kill himself and got out of the car……But Michelle instructed him to get back in the car and “just do it”.




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Here are the text messages that were exchange between Conrad and Michelle.

The morning of July 12, at 4: 19 AM

CARTER: You can’t think about it. You just have to do it. You said you were gonna do it. Like I don’t get why you aren’t.

CONRAD: I don’t get it either. I don’t know.

CARTER: So I guess you aren’t gonna do it then. All that for nothing. I’m just confused. Like you were so ready and determined.

CONRAD: I am gonna eventually. I really don’t know what I’m waiting for but I have everything lined up.

CARTER: No, you’re not, Conrad. Last night was it. You kept pushing it off and you say you’ll do it, but you never do. It’s always gonna be that way if you don’t take action. You’re just making it harder on yourself by pushing it off. You just have to do it. Do you want to do it now?

CONRAD: Is it too late? I don’t know. It’s already light outside. I’m gonna go back too sleep. Love you. I’ll text you tomorrow.

CARTER: No. It’s probably the best time now because everyone is sleeping. Just go somewhere in your truck and no one is really out there right now because it’s an awkward time. If you don’t do it now you’re never gonna do it, and you can say you’ll do it tomorrow, but you probably won’t. Tonight? Love you.

CONRAD: Thank you.

CARTER: For what. Are you awake?

CONRAD: Yes.

CARTER: Are you gonna do it today?

CONRAD: Yes.

CARTER: Like in the day time?

CONRAD: Should I?

CARTER: Yeah, it’s less suspicious. You won’t think about it as much and you’ll get it over with instead of wait until the night.

CONRAD: Yeah then I will. Like where? Like I could go in any enclosed area.

CARTER: Go in your truck and drive in a parking lot somewhere, to a park or something. Do it like early. Do it now, like early.

CONRAD: Didn’t we say this was suspicious?

CARTER: No. I think night is more suspicious, a kid sitting in his car turning on the radio. Just do it. It wouldn’t be suspicious and it won’t take long.

CONRAD: Okay. I’m taking Holly for a walk.

CARTER: Okay.

CONRAD: I don’t know why I’m like this.

CARTER: Sometimes things happen and we never have the answers why.

CONRAD: Like, why am I so hesitant lately. Like two weeks ago I was willing to try everything and now I’m worse, really bad, and I’m LOL not following through. It’s eating me inside.

CARTER: You’re so hesitant because you keeping over thinking it and keep pushing it off. You just need to do it, Conrad. The more you push it off, the more it will eat at you. You’re ready and prepared. All you have to do is tum the generator on and you will be free and happy. No more pushing it off. No more waiting.

CONRAD: You’re right.

CARTER: If you want it as bad as you say you do it’s time to do it today.

CONRAD: Yup. No more waiting.

CARTER: Okay. I’m serious. Like you can’t even wait ’till tonight. You have to do it when you get back from your walk.

CONRAD: Thank you.

CARTER: For what?

CONRAD: Still being here.

CARTER: I would never leave you. You’re the love of my life, my boyfriend. You are my heart. I’d never leave you.

CONRAD: Aw.

CARTER: I love you.

CONRAD: Love you, too.

CARTER: When will you be back from your walk?

CONRAD: Like, five minutes.

CARTER: Okay. So you gonna do it?

CONRAD: I guess.

CARTER: Well, I want you to be ready and sure. What does that mean?

CONRAD: I don’t know. I’m freaking out again. I’m over thinking.

CARTER: I thought you wanted to do this. This time is right and you’re ready. You just need to do it. You can’t keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did the last time and not think about it and just do it, babe. You can’t keep doing this every day.

CONRAD: I do want to but I’m like freaking for my family I guess. I don’t know.

CARTER: Conrad, I told you I’ll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won’t be alone and people will help them get through it. We talked about this and they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don’t think this much. They just could do it.

CONRAD: I know. I know. LOL. Thinking just drives me more crazy.

CARTER: You just need to do it, Conrad, or I’m gonna get you help. You can’t keep doing this everyday.

CONRAD: Okay. I’m gonna do it today.

CARTER: You promise?

CONRAD: I promise, babe. I have to now.

CARTER: Like right now?

CONRAD: Where do I go?

CARTER: And you can’t break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something.

CONRAD: Okay.

CARTER: Go somewhere you know you won’t get caught. You can find a place. I now you can. Are you doing it now?

Later that afternoon, the conversation continued

CONRAD: I’m determined.

CARTER: I’m happy to hear that.

CONRAD: I’m ready.

CARTER: Good because it’s time, babe. You know that. When you get back from the beach you’ve gotta go do it. You’re ready. You’re determined. It’s the best time to do it.

CONRAD: Okay, I will.

CARTER: Are you back?

CONRAD: No more thinking.

CARTER: Yes. No more thinking. You need to just do it. No more waiting.

CONRAD: On way back. I know where to go now.

CARTER: Where?

CONRAD: A parking lot. There is going to be no cars there at 9:00. So that’s when I’ll be found.

CARTER: Okay, perfect. When will you be home?

CONRAD: Ten minutes. Ha ha, that’s perfect.

CARTER: Okay. And, well, yeah, I don’t know.

CONRAD: Like, I don’t want to kill anyone else with me.

CARTER: You won’t.

CONRAD: When they open the door they won’t know it’s odorless and colorless.

CARTER: You’re over thinking. They will see the generator and realize you breathed in CO too.

CONRAD: So should I keep it in the back seat or front?

CARTER: In the front. You could write on a piece of paper and tape it on saying carbon monoxide or something if you’re scared.

CONRAD: I was thinking that but someone might see it before it actually happens.

CARTER: Well, wait, the generator is gonna be on because you’ll be passed out, so they’ll know you used carbon monoxide. Dead. It’s not loud is it?

CONRAD: Not really, LMAO.

CARTER: Okay, good. Are you gonna do it now?

5:08 PM, Conrad returned from the beach and wanted to back out

CONRAD: I’m home.

CARTER: Okay.

CONRAD: Ah.

CARTER: What?

CONRAD: I don’t know. I’m stressing.

CARTER: You’re fine. It’s gonna be okay. You just gotta do it, babe. You can’t think about it.

CONRAD: Okay. Okay. I got this.

CARTER: Yes, you do. I believe in you. Did you delete the messages?

CONRAD: Yes. But you’re going to keep messaging me.

CARTER: I will until you turn on the generator.

CONRAD: Okay. Well, I’m bringing my sisters for ice cream.

CARTER: So will you do it when you get back?

CONRAD: Yup, I’ll go right there.

CARTER: Okay.

CONRAD: Love you.

CARTER: I love so much.

CONRAD: (Smiley face).

CARTER: 33.

CONRAD: Ha ha. What are you doing?

CARTER: Nothing really. Just resting.

CONRAD: Okay. Ha, ha I’m procrastinating.

CARTER: Yeah, ha ha, I know. Are you back?

CONRAD: Yup.

CARTER: So it’s time?

CONRAD: Oh, it’s been time.

CARTER: Are you gonna do it now?

CONRAD: I just don’t know how to leave them, you know.

CARTER: Say you’re gonna go the store or something.

CONRAD: Like, I want them to know that I love them.

CARTER: They know. That’s one thing they definitely know. You’re over thinking.

CONRAD: I know I’m over thinking. I’ve been over thinking for a while now.

CARTER: I know. You just have to do it like you said. Are you gonna do it now?

CONRAD: I still haven’t left yet, ha ha.

CARTER: Why?

CONRAD: Leaving now.

CARTER: Okay. You can do this.

CONRAD: Okay. I’m almost there.

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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175506 - 09/01/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:feelssadman:

That is completely horrifying.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Detached]
    #22175519 - 09/01/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it is pretty twisted to think someone could act and say things like this.

The real question is though, is she criminally liable?

I think that there is a premise for a civil suit, not so sure about a criminal charge though.


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    #22175522 - 09/01/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No, thank you for the long quote. 

If she gets convicted for this it is a very bad precedent.  They could go back after everybody who egged Ripper on since there is no statute of limitations on murder.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175534 - 09/01/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If it does set precedent, hypothetically speaking if somebody we're to kill them self, and left a note saying..

"I'm killing myself because of all the people who called me fat"

They could theoretically charge anyone who posted on their facebook with a remark / comment insinuating that they we're fat.

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    #22175537 - 09/01/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The people who egged Ripper on should be convicted in my eyes, if they knew he was taking lethal doses :shrug:


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK] * 1
    #22175564 - 09/01/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If it does set precedent, hypothetically speaking if somebody we're to kill them self, and left a note saying..

"I'm killing myself because of all the people who called me fat"

They could theoretically charge anyone who posted on their facebook with a remark / comment insinuating that they we're fat.

I know it is a stretch, but you get the premise of the idea.



I don't think it's a stretch.  I think it is precisely the slippery slope they are going down here.


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The people who egged Ripper on should be convicted in my eyes, if they knew he was taking lethal doses :shrug:



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    #22175595 - 09/01/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't tell me zappa is actually right about something for a change? Is there nothing we can count on anymore?

I think bass' ban had a lot more to do with his other infractions and the fact that he was kind of a pain in the ass to staff. The last was just the final straw.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175608 - 09/01/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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If she gets convicted for this it is a very bad precedent.




can you at least agree that this woman is horrible person? or do you actually think that her behavior is normal or something? because thats the idea i get from your posts in this thread


i hope she is harrassed for the rest of her life, until she kills herself.
that is fair justice


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Being an asshole is not a criminal offense.


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    #22175645 - 09/01/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How bout being a horrid asshole?


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22175646 - 09/01/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It can be.


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    #22175655 - 09/01/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Being an asshole is not a criminal offense.




theres a difference between an asshole and someone who harasses an individual until they end their lives


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    #22175666 - 09/01/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It sure wasn't in evidence there


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    #22175696 - 09/01/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
    #22175732 - 09/01/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you ban some speech where do you draw the line? How about telling someone to piss off and it hurts their feelings deeply? Should that be a crime? How about telling someone how to break the law and encouraging them to do it? Oooops, that hits close to home, doesn't it?


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
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Poor chick. She didn't do anything wrong.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
    #22175748 - 09/01/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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lol, if it was a man who coerced a woman to kill herself, most peoples opinions would be opposite and this would be a national story on every station. but alas, the victim is a man and and that makes this hardly newsworthy





this was headlines for weeks when it happened


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    #22175750 - 09/01/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22175768 - 09/01/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Like I previously stated, this was a private conversation carried out on private devices.

He encouraged her encouragement of his suicide.

He made no effort to ask her to stop.

Hardly could this be considered Harassment.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175781 - 09/01/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fuck it.


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i'm amazed how many people think this is just an innocent little girl that didn't do anything wrong

shes a stupid cunt. i hope she kills herself. thats all i have to say




Didn't you just do exactly what she did?

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Quote:

Gresh said:
i'm amazed how many people think this is just an innocent little girl that didn't do anything wrong

shes a stupid cunt. i hope she kills herself. thats all i have to say




Didn't you just do exactly what she did?

You gone catch a charge, man.





right? fuck it. im done with this thread


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: Adolin]
    #22175806 - 09/01/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Look, I'm not disputing the fact that she is a terrible person.

I am just saying that he was looking for someone to justify and legitimize his suicide, and she facilitated his desire.


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Re: Apropos to the bassfreak ban [Re: TNK]
    #22175853 - 09/01/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

She should get the death penalty.

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    #22176450 - 09/01/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

she seems horrible, but free speech etc. etc.  Of course, anyone has the right to not ever hire her because of it, or point at her when she walks down the street and tell their children not be like that horrible bitch.  Law can only do so much, we just have to hope that there is justice in the world independent of law. :shrug:


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    #22177874 - 09/02/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Public shaming can be a powerful mechanism for establishing a civil society and isn't used nearly often enough.


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    #22178211 - 09/02/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What if this woman was a trained psychologist? Or even better, if she was paid by someone to try to convince him to kill himself? What would you think then?


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Nothing different.


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    #22178294 - 09/02/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just here for the thread title. I know what you wrote is technically grammatically correct, then again, if you wanted to properly use that french word as it is meant to be used in french you should write "A Propos of the..."

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Following the text messages. Carter and Conrad spoke on the phone for almost an hour. During the phone call Conrad had decided that he no longer wanted to kill himself and got out of the car……But Michelle instructed him to get back in the car and “just do it”.




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CARTER: I thought you wanted to do this. This time is right and you’re ready. You just need to do it. You can’t keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did the last time and not think about it and just do it, babe. You can’t keep doing this every day.

CONRAD: I do want to but I’m like freaking for my family I guess. I don’t know.

CARTER: Conrad, I told you I’ll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won’t be alone and people will help them get through it. We talked about this and they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don’t think this much. They just could do it.

CONRAD: I know. I know. LOL. Thinking just drives me more crazy.

CARTER: You just need to do it, Conrad, or I’m gonna get you help. You can’t keep doing this everyday.


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Was really of the opinion that the lady was an asshole even if she did not commit a crime, up until reading this section.
The bolded/italicized/underlined in particular really throws me.

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    #22178398 - 09/02/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

this quote was eerie

"CARTER: You just need to do it, Conrad, or I’m gonna get you help. You can’t keep doing this everyday."

Im gunna get you help? What kind of help was she going to get? This woman is sick in the head.

It reminds me of a story of a woman who hired aa hitman to kill her husband, and that hitman was  an undercover cop.

She got charged with murder by proxy. I think this is murder by proxy.


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I'm just here for the thread title. I know what you wrote is technically grammatically correct, then again, if you wanted to properly use that french word as it is meant to be used in french you should write "A Propos of the..."

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    #22178504 - 09/02/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This thread had me look a bit into assisted suicide laws around the world. :lol:

Turns out, Canada has very specific laws on this:
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    Counselling or aiding suicide
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    (a) counsels a person to commit suicide, or

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    whether suicide ensues or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years



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But they apparently came under fire due to prohibiting reasonable scenarios of assisted suicide.

And Australia has a company that sells canisters to ease people into death, but advising anyone to use them for that purpose is illegal.


However, back in the scenario of where this takes place, Massachusetts does not have any death with dignity legislation, and if they did, his life was not really in a scenario to be subject to it.

Though it is not directly related, an interesting take on such issues shows up in Virginia:
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In some U.S. states, suicide is still considered an unwritten "common law crime," as stated in Blackstone's Commentaries. (So held the Virginia Supreme Court in 1992. Wackwitz v. Roy, 418 S.E.2d 861 (Va. 1992)). As a common law crime, suicide can bar recovery for the late suicidal person's family in a lawsuit unless the suicidal person can be proven to have been "of unsound mind." That is, the suicide must be proven to have been an involuntary act of the victim in order for the family to be awarded monetary damages by the court.




Do not think that this has actual weighting on potential outcomes for the case in question, but do think that italicized/bolded may well come up in the case -- despite the fact that she actively encouraged him to do it, would not really consider his act to be involuntary on his own part.  He certainly did not seem to be sure of himself, and likely could have been talked into counseling or some sort of professional help if he had turned to someone else aside from the person who actively supported his plans.  He kept turning to the person who supported him in his plans though.

Ehhhh, it's all a bunch of garbage, but will be interested to see how this turns out.


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