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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: hTx]
    #22181120 - 09/02/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Conservation of mass is a derivative of conservation of momentum.

If you take conservation of momentum (momentum being just mass times velocity), and make the velocities constant, you have conservation of mass.
It is not not enough to have just conservation of energy.

Both energy and momentum are conserved in the universe.


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: hTx]
    #22183690 - 09/03/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Nah, people take addy for years and do really good with ADD.

It helps me a lot dude without it I could not do college.



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You do you man. But IMO its just a pointlessly silly idea. You said it yourself; proper eating, sleeping, drinking water,
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Conservation of mass is a derivative of conservation of momentum.

If you take conservation of momentum (momentum being just mass times velocity), and make the velocities constant, you have conservation of mass.
It is not not enough to have just conservation of energy.

Both energy and momentum are conserved in the universe.



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Tripping a day after studying is likely not going to help.

I have studied nuclear physics while on acid...
If you don't take too much, it can work in a very interesting way, but I would never suggest you do that before an exam.

Although I gotta say, trying to comprehend how a photon becomes mass, and how antimatter can annihilate matter and destroy mass is much harder when tripping lol.


A little side note: If you thought conservation of mass was a thing... It is just a lie you are told in school to make life easier to understand.
Kind of like how they tell you "You cant subtract a bigger number from a smaller number"



Im hoping to take physics soon. It looks quite interesting



I took an intro physics class once, it was pretty interesting.

we built a hover-craft.

nuclear physics sounds both difficult and interesting..and meh it seemed pretty flexible a theory anyways (conservation of mass that is), now energy...



These are both the biggest reasons I want to take physics. Like I said; incredibly interesting


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: topdog82]
    #22219676 - 09/11/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I do Theanine and Caffeine every once in a while. There's a noticeable clarity for those days. I'm also a little better self-controlled. I lose my temper pretty often. On theanine days though, I'm more reserved and in control. I'll start to rise in temper and than am able to think about it and be like "Whatever, it's not worth it." I shrug it off easier. I blame the clarity. I'm able to think more clearly about the bigger picture.

With the research I've done on the web, low dose (microdose) shroom and LSD both show nootropic effects. I don't remember the dosage for LSD, but believe it's like 1/100 of a standard trip dose. For shrooms though, it's .25g to .5g! Either of the drugs are taken every 3 or 4 days.

Those who microdose are said to have more energy, more clarity and focus, and connect ideas much more quickly. They can concentrate on tasks exponentially more than before microdosing. They're also said to be happier overall, from their own personal reports. And the effects are said to continue for quite a while after quitting the microdose as well, at least with regard to general happiness and well-being.


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22220836 - 09/11/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I do Theanine and Caffeine every once in a while. There's a noticeable clarity for those days. I'm also a little better self-controlled. I lose my temper pretty often. On theanine days though, I'm more reserved and in control. I'll start to rise in temper and than am able to think about it and be like "Whatever, it's not worth it." I shrug it off easier. I blame the clarity. I'm able to think more clearly about the bigger picture.

With the research I've done on the web, low dose (microdose) shroom and LSD both show nootropic effects. I don't remember the dosage for LSD, but believe it's like 1/100 of a standard trip dose. For shrooms though, it's .25g to .5g! Either of the drugs are taken every 3 or 4 days.

Those who microdose are said to have more energy, more clarity and focus, and connect ideas much more quickly. They can concentrate on tasks exponentially more than before microdosing. They're also said to be happier overall, from their own personal reports. And the effects are said to continue for quite a while after quitting the microdose as well, at least with regard to general happiness and well-being.



I have tried both of those things and yes. Microdoses help with both of those. Microdosing feel like a more "natural" and less pushy ritalin buzz. I would also try shrooms over LSD microdosing. Its more effective, easier to measure, and has less ill effects on sleep


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: topdog82]
    #22221762 - 09/11/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have tried both of those things and yes. Microdoses help with both of those. Microdosing feel like a more "natural" and less pushy ritalin buzz. I would also try shrooms over LSD microdosing. Its more effective, easier to measure, and has less ill effects on sleep




I haven't heard of sleep issues before, but I believe it. I wasn't interested in LSD anyway. It's easier to grow your own medicine if it's shrooms. That's been my interest for as long as I've been studying shrooms, all of 4 or 5 months. :P  That's why I'm here now. Learning all I can about fungiculture before I do it myself.


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22221876 - 09/11/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have tried both of those things and yes. Microdoses help with both of those. Microdosing feel like a more "natural" and less pushy ritalin buzz. I would also try shrooms over LSD microdosing. Its more effective, easier to measure, and has less ill effects on sleep




I haven't heard of sleep issues before, but I believe it. I wasn't interested in LSD anyway. It's easier to grow your own medicine if it's shrooms. That's been my interest for as long as I've been studying shrooms, all of 4 or 5 months. :P  That's why I'm here now. Learning all I can about fungiculture before I do it myself.



I used microdoses of 4acodmt with good results. Just make sure to have a good scale and gluck!


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: topdog82]
    #22222061 - 09/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I used microdoses of 4acodmt with good results. Just make sure to have a good scale and gluck!




Fa sho. :smile:


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22222068 - 09/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What do you consider good results from microdosing psychedelics?


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #22222087 - 09/11/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you consider good results from microdosing psychedelics?




Haven't microdosed myself and I can't answer for others who have, but from what I understand, have read and researched, good results should look something like increased good mood, it exceeds a caffeine like high but without the jitters, you have increased clarity of mind, increased ability to focus and increased ability to remember things quickly.

I'd like to hear from those who've had these effects and any additional.


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22222122 - 09/11/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you consider good results from microdosing psychedelics?




Haven't microdosed myself and I can't answer for others who have, but from what I understand, have read and researched, good results should look something like increased good mood, it exceeds a caffeine like high but without the jitters, you have increased clarity of mind, increased ability to focus and increased ability to remember things quickly.

I'd like to hear from those who've had these effects and any additional.



I gained mixed results. I had better energy and focus. But I am not sure I had increased cognition because I never measured it. Anecdotally and with no medical studies I say its a good idea


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: topdog82]
    #22222142 - 09/11/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I gained mixed results. I had better energy and focus. But I am not sure I had increased cognition because I never measured it. Anecdotally and with no medical studies I say its a good idea




There've been studies, per se. Not government sanctioned but James Fadiman has been doing these studies for like 50 some years.

http://reset.me/story/the-benefits-of-microdosing-with-lsd-and-psilocybin-mushrooms/
http://www.highexistence.com/microdosing-lsd-psychedelic/

Edit: He's primarily focused on LSD, but has done experiments too with shrooms. He has a program set up where people of their own accord will contact him with their results. He gathers data by people freely messaging him and giving him their results.


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22222159 - 09/11/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I gained mixed results. I had better energy and focus. But I am not sure I had increased cognition because I never measured it. Anecdotally and with no medical studies I say its a good idea




There've been studies, per se. Not government sanctioned but James Fadiman has been doing these studies for like 50 some years.

http://reset.me/story/the-benefits-of-microdosing-with-lsd-and-psilocybin-mushrooms/
http://www.highexistence.com/microdosing-lsd-psychedelic/



Sadly, the actual cognitive effects have yet to be measured though. Faidman's research is sadly ridded with confounding factors. I think microdosing works great and reccomend it. But until I see proper scientific studies backing it up with control groups and consistent dosing, and cognitive tests, I cant really say


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: topdog82]
    #22222182 - 09/11/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree to some extent. Though anecdotal evidence can amount to conclusive evidence with enough people involved. You'll have a greater degree of information that can't be properly decrypted, but enough information to make the assumption that "microdosing is a good idea." Results will always vary, person to person, but if enough people say they have noticeable cognitive increases, you have to agree that there's a strong possibility, proven or not, that it could very well be true. I agree that I'd love to see an actual sanctioned test, but that's not possible for us right now. Although that doesn't mean there's not one out there somewhere in another language either. :P

http://www.livescience.com/51482-more-people-microdosing-psychedelic-drugs.html

Not adding anything to the table with this link, I just like posting things I find. :smile:


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22222198 - 09/11/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree to some extent. Though anecdotal evidence can amount to conclusive evidence with enough people involved. You'll have a greater degree of information that can't be properly decrypted, but enough information to make the assumption that "microdosing is a good idea." Results will always vary, person to person, but if enough people say they have noticeable cognitive increases, you have to agree that there's a strong possibility, proven or not, that it could very well be true. I agree that I'd love to see an actual sanctioned test, but that's not possible for us right now. Although that doesn't mean there's not one out there somewhere in another language either. :P

http://www.livescience.com/51482-more-people-microdosing-psychedelic-drugs.html

Not adding anything to the table with this link, I just like posting things I find. :smile:



I guess thats a fair thing to say


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22222202 - 09/11/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In all other ways I agree though. No studies here to prove anything and just anecdotal evidence. But that's why it comes down to us to experiment, study and decide for oursleves. Use the information we know and find ways to use it to our advantage. Microdose and find ways to study yourself or have friends study you. Even if all it does it make you a little happier throughout the day though, I think it's totally worth it. I'm tired of being pissed all the time at stupid stuff, ya know? A little happier, a little clearer, all good to me.


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: JoeP83]
    #22222250 - 09/11/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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In all other ways I agree though. No studies here to prove anything and just anecdotal evidence. But that's why it comes down to us to experiment, study and decide for oursleves. Use the information we know and find ways to use it to our advantage. Microdose and find ways to study yourself or have friends study you. Even if all it does it make you a little happier throughout the day though, I think it's totally worth it. I'm tired of being pissed all the time at stupid stuff, ya know? A little happier, a little clearer, all good to me.



yep. This and it made me great at meditating


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Re: Are psychedelics what nootropics aspire to be? [Re: topdog82]
    #22222309 - 09/11/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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yep. This and it made me great at meditating




I'd like to get better at meditating too.


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