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Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed
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Hello all,
I am currently 196 pounds at 5feet 6inches in height. I want to meet my goal of getting down to 8 percent body fat. Inevitably i will most likely lose weight, and that is okay; but i wold still want to retain muscle( i know weighs more than fat).
I am looking for nutritional as well as supplemental advice from our fantastic community. I currently take hydroxycut hardcore elite as well as a GNC multivitamin.
As I am unique, I was not going to search this site for related posts. Thanks in advance for all the help and support offered.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22173350 - 09/01/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi there. I love helping people in this way when they actually use the advice! Ok, I would ditch the hydroxy immediately. Is the only thing you drink named water? If not, start there.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Matt87]
#22173378 - 09/01/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I only drink water or gatorade to replenish after a hard workout, but the latter is a rarity. Why ditch hyroxycut? I've heard before to ditch it, but never an explanation?
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22173438 - 09/01/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's just caffeine. To lose weight and retain muscle, eat almost exclusively fat and protein! Get a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight every day from whole foods.
If you're already not drinking carbs all day, just watch what happens! Cut out pretty much all carbs(bread,rice,,potatoes,etc) and in two weeks you will see a visible difference. This diet will make anyone super lean. Work out too, of course!
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Matt87]
#22173493 - 09/01/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice. I have alot to learn on examples of carbs. I avoided potatoes but had rice
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Matt87]
#22173529 - 09/01/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: Get a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight every day from whole foods.
If you're already not drinking carbs all day, just watch what happens! Cut out pretty much all carbs(bread,rice,,potatoes,etc) and in two weeks you will see a visible difference. This diet will make anyone super lean. Work out too, of course!
If you meant carbs literally he'd be cutting out all fruits and vegetables too, complex carbohydrates are the way to go.
Atkins is a failed dietary regimen, the key is always balance not all or nothing thinking.
The water thing is spot on, and unless he's training for the Olympics that much protein everyday is not being used efficiently.
60-80 grams should be good to start, majority of it animal based and some plant based like nuts and beans.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#22173714 - 09/01/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thank- you Yukon... I am eating more fruits and vegetables more than either. I' guessing any type of sauce or dressing is a no-go? eating them without flavoring is the best way to go? I need to learn what you all know about carbs, complex or simple, good fats, etc.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22174431 - 09/01/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Personally don't think cutting carbs completely is wise. The goto is oats, sweet potatoes and rice and when im feeling good tortilla chips . The shitty part is that you shouldn't allow yourself a high amount of sugar or tons of butter to make these foods taste better. Watch the numbers...I believe it 55-75% of your daily caloric intake. Or like 300 grams
As stated above lean toward healthy protein, id ditch the Gatorade,hydroxycut and go straight for caffeine pills and water or unsweet tea. WATCH THE SUGAR 24-36 grams of simple sugar a day...make sure to eat this so you are not totally depriving yourself
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Tomandjerry58]
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I definitely don't mean literally not eating carbs. Most Americans go nuts with it though.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#22175897 - 09/01/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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doable, i just have to have discipline. I snack already, is it okay to snack as long as its not access sugars?
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22175973 - 09/01/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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8 percent is a low number.... good luck man.
personally i like staying around 10-12 percent. tahst what i feel healthiest at though. single digits = cranky as fuck and light headed for me, just not built for that shit
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22176596 - 09/02/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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8 percent is very low….. for diet i would say whole raw foods.. fruits and vegetables. don't take any supplements or drugs if your serious.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22177008 - 09/02/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm serious, at one time i was 13 percent body fat. I really wasn't in shape per-say though, i wasn't toned. Didn't have my abdominal muscles showing...
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22179544 - 09/02/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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doable, i just have to have discipline. I snack already, is it okay to snack as long as its not access sugars?
Snacking healthy and full healthy meals are great for your body and fitness. It takes a lot of discipline and sugar is everywhere if you are an American. 1- 2 lter of cola holds like 1/4 pound of sugar and 1- 20oz Gatorade holds about 17 grams the last time I checked if I remember correctly.
I drink beer and that's where I get my added sugars...coors light 5 grams a can.
Watch your preservatives as well....not scientifically proven but I would suggest they alter how the body breaks down food.
Food is the key....do not starve yourself or youll never get tone or lose weight successfully
I could guarantee a 10 lb loss if you even loosely stick to the 36 gram sugar regiment on your daily intake. Sugar is why America is overweight. But make sure to get that 36 grams...don't cut out sugar completley
And you can not build muscle on added sugars nor should it ever be considered food exceeding those numbers
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#22179819 - 09/02/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for the insight everybody
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
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I am currently 196 pounds at 5feet 6inches in height. I want to meet my goal of getting down to 8 percent body fat.
8 percent like someone said is very low but doable. You will have to be incredibly strict on your diet and have proper exercise. That is probably obvious to you already but I have to stress it because right now, unless you are some beast mode (maybe you are, idk), you are slightly on the bigger side.
I bet someone else mentioned it but I will repeat it if they did not. Lay pastas/breads alone. You already mentioned sauces...
A really wonderful way of approaching your grocery store is.. Buy only things that are on the outside isles. Everything that is perishable.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: EDM]
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I am pretty sure I just gave basic info that you either already knew or someone else mentioned. Can never be too sure though.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: EDM]
#22181911 - 09/03/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes i am on the bigger side. Wasn't always that way do. I believe i can get back to that. I actually graduated highschool at 135 lbs. I am now 190. I appreciate everything that all members have provided. Honestly some of what is considered "basic info" is new to me, so keep it coming.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22182516 - 09/03/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just did not want to offend you so I started off a little light. Some people lose hope real easy and throw their goals out the window. I hope that does not happen with you.
To get down to single digit BF% ... You are talking about a serious cut. We are talking complete life style change. You will lose strength no doubt. However, you will look ripped.
HIIT (high metabolic workouts) will help get you to this goal. So will Crossfit, insanity and p90x routines. Doing some sort of metabolic workout (15-45mins) at least 4 days a week is a must.
Nutrition is the largest part that will effect you. I wish I was more of an expert in that area. I could give you some tips but I cannot point out a "wonder" diet because I have never been in the business of cutting.
Some simple dieting advice I have: Do not consume.. sugar drinks, sugary drinks are actually considered the #1 factor of obesity/weight gain. This includes soda, fruit juice, sweet tea, sport drinks in general such as gatorade, powerade, vitamin water. You do have to get your electrolytes back but be wary of how much you consume. Vitamin water in general is interesting, it is almost as bad as drinking a 12oz coca cola. This is just liquids. Food is a whole other ordeal.
I suggest check out https://www.reddit.com/r/leangains/
I would also suggest /r/fitmeals and /r/loseit . The good thing about using the forums I posted on reddit including the link is that you can post there asking for advice and use the search bar looking for other people's similar questions. Leangains focuses on retaining muscle while losing weight fyi.
I am saying a number of things that is not including just nutrition because that is what you have to do. You literally will have to change everything. The rewards with such a life style are priceless though. Endless amounts of benefits to yourself.
If you have not used other sources for the information you are seeking, I suggest you do now. I believe the fitness subreddits is a great start. You need to make a plan that involves small goals that you can achieve in order to not break you down but build you up. A buddy system(such as someone working out with you with similar goals) is a great way to do this. If you do not have a buddy, that is ok too. Still doable man.
I am 5'7 and 180lbs. I am probably around 20% BF ratio. My goal has never been to lose weight into the single digits. I am more in interested strength and endurance. I could give a fuck less about my body type but because of focus on being strong and fit as fuck, I have a damn good body for my 27 year old self. I don't do any body building but I look jacked as a mother fucker. That is at 180lbs. You getting down to single digits is probably going to bring you down to below 165lbs. You are going to look thin IMHO but you might look ripped as shit depending on your workout routines. Everyone's goals are different. If you get seriously into this, your goals will most likely change.
Yeeesh that was a lot
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: EDM]
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Awesome i will definitely heed you and other members advice. I am a beast of a man, i dont give up. I spent 5 years in the military, achieving accolades and achievements i never expected to receive, simply based on my work ethic and discipline.
See that bodybuilding forum aimed my target ot be 8 percent body-fat based on what type of look i was going for. I did at first pic bodybuilding but i dont want to be all saggy if i stop lifting at a certain age or to a certain extent.
I always heard that nutrition/diet was 90 percent of the equation when it comes to working out. So i need to change my eating habits. Looking into finding workout partners here at my college.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
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You'll show muscle definition at 12-13 if you put on actual muscle mass at 13 percent you can see my top 4 abs and a little bit of that v shit thats like yo that my dick down there. 8 is competition shit and imo not healthy.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22188900 - 09/04/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear ya, i honestly want to be able to take my shirt off again with confidence...it's such a small thing but its something we bigger guys (some of us) don't feel comfortable doing.
I want to be on the level where others compliment me on my physique- noticeable results.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22191467 - 09/05/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im right their with you I_T.
Its so good for the confidence level when you finally see girls checking you out again. Small stuff like that gives me even more motivation.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Tomandjerry58]
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thanks man and keep being motivated. I hope you accomplish your goals as well.
Its hardwork but I want my goal physique badly. You feel like a shadow of your former self. One day you look in the mirror and are just like. "what the fuck ".
Thank you for everyone that has provided insight/ advice. Keep it coming please. Because there is more than one way to skin a deer so to speak...
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22201825 - 09/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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like said before--water, water, water. that's all you need. whole food, plant-based diet. seriously, cut out meat. have a good attitude and good will follow
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
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cut out meat? Im not opposed to eat but i love the stuff. i've been eating healthier meat like grilled chicken breast. could you be so kind as to elaborate on why you think a plant based diet is best? I just don't know a whole lot about it, thank you.
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That's nonsense. Eat mostly meat! Grilled chicken and salmon!
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InfiniteToker said: cut out meat? Im not opposed to eat but i love the stuff. i've been eating healthier meat like grilled chicken breast. could you be so kind as to elaborate on why you think a plant based diet is best? I just don't know a whole lot about it, thank you.
Yeah, meat tastes good, but simply put, our bodies aren't exactly made for meat. When we cut it out, and start eating whole, our body naturally starts to cure itself. Now you have to become educated on the subject before you completely cut meat out, otherwise you'll feel you have no options.
As for me, about a year and a half ago I started to cut meat from my diet--I only ate meat when I was at my parent's house (mom cooks good), or when I went out. I'm not a big guy, but since I've cut out meat and--for about two months now--completely given it up, I've lost a lot of weight, am my natural size, and my muscles have naturally toned to optimal performance. More energy, more control of my choices and options, and more happiness in general.
http://yumuniverse.com/learn-more-about-a-plant-based-diet/
http://sweetnaturalliving.com/faq/
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
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I will read up on them, thank-you for your insight!
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
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InfiniteToker said: cut out meat? Im not opposed to eat but i love the stuff. i've been eating healthier meat like grilled chicken breast. could you be so kind as to elaborate on why you think a plant based diet is best? I just don't know a whole lot about it, thank you.
Yeah, meat tastes good, but simply put, our bodies aren't exactly made for meat. When we cut it out, and start eating whole, our body naturally starts to cure itself. Now you have to become educated on the subject before you completely cut meat out, otherwise you'll feel you have no options.
As for me, about a year and a half ago I started to cut meat from my diet--I only ate meat when I was at my parent's house (mom cooks good), or when I went out. I'm not a big guy, but since I've cut out meat and--for about two months now--completely given it up, I've lost a lot of weight, am my natural size, and my muscles have naturally toned to optimal performance. More energy, more control of my choices and options, and more happiness in general.
http://yumuniverse.com/learn-more-about-a-plant-based-diet/
http://sweetnaturalliving.com/faq/
Incorrect, our bodies are specifically designed to be able to derive amino acids for protein synthesis from animal based protein sources.
Doesn't mean that it should be the only source of protein for your body, most people get more protein than they can use and an excess of fat from the meat.
We are omnivores, not one or the other. Most people think they are in better health because they get more muscle definition from cutting out animal protein, it is actually the opposite. We need a layer of both 8-10% white fat and "brown fat" to have our muscles work at optimal levels and our metabolism to be functioning correctly.
The idea of a sculpted physique as the picture of health is flawed, it serves only as an example of vanity.
Water, whole food sources, exercise, and mental stimulation are key. The intricacies complicate things (such as supplementation or restrictive diets) unless you are looking for something specific, not just general overall health.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
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Akeldama said:
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InfiniteToker said: cut out meat? Im not opposed to eat but i love the stuff. i've been eating healthier meat like grilled chicken breast. could you be so kind as to elaborate on why you think a plant based diet is best? I just don't know a whole lot about it, thank you.
Yeah, meat tastes good, but simply put, our bodies aren't exactly made for meat. When we cut it out, and start eating whole, our body naturally starts to cure itself. Now you have to become educated on the subject before you completely cut meat out, otherwise you'll feel you have no options.
As for me, about a year and a half ago I started to cut meat from my diet--I only ate meat when I was at my parent's house (mom cooks good), or when I went out. I'm not a big guy, but since I've cut out meat and--for about two months now--completely given it up, I've lost a lot of weight, am my natural size, and my muscles have naturally toned to optimal performance. More energy, more control of my choices and options, and more happiness in general.
http://yumuniverse.com/learn-more-about-a-plant-based-diet/
http://sweetnaturalliving.com/faq/
Incorrect, our bodies are specifically designed to be able to derive amino acids for protein synthesis from animal based protein sources.
Doesn't mean that it should be the only source of protein for your body, most people get more protein than they can use and an excess of fat from the meat.
We are omnivores, not one or the other. Most people think they are in better health because they get more muscle definition from cutting out animal protein, it is actually the opposite. We need a layer of both 8-10% white fat and "brown fat" to have our muscles work at optimal levels and our metabolism to be functioning correctly.
The idea of a sculpted physique as the picture of health is flawed, it serves only as an example of vanity.
Water, whole food sources, exercise, and mental stimulation are key. The intricacies complicate things (such as supplementation or restrictive diets) unless you are looking for something specific, not just general overall health.
Our bodies are specifically designed to to extract protein sources from anything we put in our body...doesn't mean it's a good thing...The body works harder and uses up more calcium to extract the amino acids for animal based protein sources as opposed to plants, which leads to osteoporosis, for example. Countries that eat the most meat have the lowest bone strength..
I'm not disagreeing with you cause you are right about the keys; water, whole food, exercise, and mental stimulation.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
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I absolutely disagree with the no meat thing.
Maybe good for some people but its an absolute no for me. I love protein and meat
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InfiniteToker said: I hear ya, i honestly want to be able to take my shirt off again with confidence...it's such a small thing but its something we bigger guys (some of us) don't feel comfortable doing.
I want to be on the level where others compliment me on my physique- noticeable results.
Dont look at being a bigger guy as a bad thing, smaller guys may usually be cut but its rare they get any serious size. I'm six one 210 lbs and 10-12 percent right now. I actually get more compliments than my buddies who are 5'5" with a six pack. Always get asked "who i play for"
dont stress the super low BF BS
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
#22208375 - 09/08/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Osteoporosis seems to be your main argument against meat. A very weak one at that and not worth it IMO.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: EDM]
#22208453 - 09/08/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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EDM said: Osteoporosis seems to be your main argument against meat. A very weak one at that and not worth it IMO.
it was just one example on the top of my head. if anyone is really interested there, are thousands of resources to look up online that can provide a plethora of professional, scientific, historical-cultural examples of the benefits of switching from a meat based diet to a plant based one much better than I...who is just one man who has had personal benefits from eliminating meat from my diet. no preaching here.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
#22209187 - 09/08/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is quite a difference from a meat based diet to a diet that involves meat. It almost looks like your arguing eating purely meat vs not eating meat at all. I doubt that is what you mean however. Historical-cultural example.... You mean evolution, biology, and anthropology? Those scientific views all point to humans being partial meat eaters.
I will agree with your self acknowledgement of your experience switching to being vegetarian only because that is a subjective point of view. I cannot argue that, maybe it really has given you endless benefits.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: EDM]
#22209225 - 09/08/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've tried plant based and meat based. Why do I seem to gain more quality mass and strength on a meat based diet
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22209246 - 09/08/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do I seem to gain more quality mass and strength on a meat based diet
The answer is simple: Meat is more. Seriously, meat contains just about everything you need to build muscle. This is such a basic answer but very true.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: EDM]
#22209259 - 09/08/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do I seem to gain more quality mass and strength on a meat based diet
The answer is simple: Meat is more. Seriously, meat contains just about everything you need to build muscle. This is such a basic answer but very true.
i was being a smart ass lol, keep them real gainz coming brother.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22209572 - 09/08/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea bud but im 5 ft 6 in. I know in the military my max weight for my height was 160. I'm not sure on the healthy weight for that height is for "civilians". I just know i got a belly and I want it gone.
just on here trying to learn from all of you and take everything into consideration.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: InfiniteToker]
#22209937 - 09/08/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm 5'7 and before I started working out, I was 161lbs
I now weigh 175lbs
But I went from a 36" waist Jean size to a 30", and got more defined
I've built some decent mass and I have added some big weight to all my lifts for the short time frame I believe
All those results happened in 6 to 7 months training an average of 3 days per week
My first piece of advice: throw out the fucking scale. It's garbage as far as I'm concerned
Take measurements instead and use that as a means for comparison
2. Don't listen to the tree hugging vegan nonesense in this thread. Eat meat. Try to be moderate with red meat, but enjoy your meat nonetheless
3. Find exercise you enjoy and become passionate about doing it!
4. Eat more vegetables than carbs. But don't forget that healthy carbs are essential to building muscle. And again....don't forget your protein
5. Building muscle will help you burn more fat when you are sitting and even sleeping. Weight train my friend.
6. Don't compare yourself to anyone...genetics play such a huge role and we aren't all created equal and we aren't all capable of the same body types with equal amount of effort
And as for nutritional specific advice...
Eat tons of veggies, white meat, yams, turnips, sweet potatoes.
White Rice or white potatoes within a 30 minute post workout window is the only time I try to eat carbs with a high glycemic index. Consuming these will help restore depleted glycogen levels in the muscle. Insulin helps shuttle carbs, protein and other nutrients to your muscle.
I supplement with a high quality protein powder as well. The science is changing all the time it seems on this, but in my opinion you should be at .5 grams of protein PER lbs of body weight, daily. Minimum
Sushi is one of my most favourite post workout meals lol
Eat a handful of nuts a day
Enjoy fruit and veggie smoothies
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked]
#22210790 - 09/09/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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InfiniteToker said: yea bud but im 5 ft 6 in. I know in the military my max weight for my height was 160. I'm not sure on the healthy weight for that height is for "civilians". I just know i got a belly and I want it gone.
just on here trying to learn from all of you and take everything into consideration.
fuck man i figured when you said big guy i thought like 6ish and 260+
if you could possibly be a freak and go 8pack if thats your thing.
6. is the only one i disagree with masked, only because personally i see genetics as what makes the playing field uneven in so many sports and different body types do respond differently, for instance, out of all 3 od us me at 6 foot 210 and you guys around 5'7 ish. who do you really think would get a six pack the fastest from a baseline BF% of 25 percent. I know damn well I wouldn't put my money on me. Different genes hold different gifts and deficits. I gain size and strength easy, but if i want a six pack at all i have to cut my diet for that shit and when that happens it effects other shit. No bueno, meanwhile my buddy who is half my size has a diet that looks nothing like the healthy foods masked posted...
shit and beer. when he runs kids able to get 8. Genes play huuuge huuuuge huuuuuge role and may make some things way easier for you than others. find where your deficits are and work a little harder at them. Personally mine was arms, ive got some reach on me and a little harder to fill out bulk in that area, so i did my reading and started working my ass off on back and tris, tris making up 2/3's the arms and back stimulating the biceps for mostly just mass to assist in pulling.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22211148 - 09/09/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm perhaps read again. I said genetics play a huge role so don't compare yourself to anyone
Fully agree with everything u say. We have had this talk about genetics before. They are huge. We are not all created equal
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked]
#22213011 - 09/09/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sorry man read that shit at 4 am lol.
Me, i can pull alot of weight, but i will never ever run a 40 under 5 seconds. ever. yay genes.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22213090 - 09/09/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol tis all good
Yeah genes are huge. I compare myself to people when I shouldnt. Not all men are created equal.
I still think 'nearly' every goal is achievable, but for some it may take 1000x the effort for said goal compared to some others who barely need any effort to reach the same goal
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked]
#22213979 - 09/09/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just stumbled upon this, related to the vegetarian stuff. I knew soy was bad but the swedish study that is quoted... My mother fed me soy infant formula when i was an infant. tha fuq
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/10-things-vegetarians-get-wrong
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean] 1
#22214715 - 09/09/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's always more than one way to look at an issue. We can read endless sources that conform to what we like to believe--whether it's pro meat, pro environmentalism, pro christianity, pro american--whatever. What matters is experience, and even then, if experience with or without meat feels beneficial people will have counter-arguments to your chosen lifestyle.
My lifestyle with no meat has proven to be beneficial in physical, nutritional, and spiritual ways. Just offering advice that I feel is important and extremely helpful for physical and mental well-being. But the changes take an overhaul in the way you think, and take a certain amount of homework, knowledge and self-control.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
#22214769 - 09/09/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, fair enough. Let me delve into your thought process a little more if you don't mind?
Do you feel that a person who has had the self control and knowledge to stick to a strict healthy balanced diet involving animal protein, and who has walked away better for it(physically, mentally, spiritually), is as successful and/or enlightened as you?
Like in said hypothetical situation, would you feel that their way is wrong and yours is right?
Or do you see both as a success? Both human beings, bettering their life through different ways of different healthy choices?
While I don't agree with abstaining from meat, I see your results as a victory(same as mine)
And if so, I to your successes!
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked] 1
#22216637 - 09/10/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In no way am I enlightened, or completely successful. But yes, of course. If you've bettered your life, gotten out of a state of mind, or a state of decay or unhealthiness, overweight, depression, whatever, than by all means--huge victory! I don't see eating meat as evil, it's all around us. It tastes good. Many people need it. Many people would die without it. But for me, someone who lives in a world of abundance, information, and options, I've learned I do not need meat and can receive the same, if not more nutrition, living on a diet that eliminates all meat.
The whole animal thing, for me, is much larger than strictly nutritional though. For me, it's moral, ethical, the treatment of other earthlings in a compassionate way. The health of earth, etc.--you know the deal. I feel that spirituality is founded on compassion and realizing the suffering in others, and I realized about three months ago that forgoing meat was a necessary step to my spiritual well-being.
There is responsible meat eating, and that's what I felt I did for about a year before I quit altogether.
I did the whole gym thing--the weights, the protein, the high meat intake, and yes, I was healthy and felt good and enjoyed how I looked. But I realized it's not necessarily 'natural' to sustain a body in that way, that, for me (maybe many) it was a vain attempt to look a certain way.
But we now live in a time, where eating meat is unnecessary. We, in the 'developed world' have countless options and alternatives and loads of information, that if given the time to delve into, can help us contribute to a more sustainable world.
There is responsible meat eating, and irresponsible. Same goes for vegetarians, vegans, all people and all lifestyles, all labels...
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
#22217015 - 09/10/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It seems you've missed my whole point
I live just as, even possible more than, a healthy lifestyle as you do. My "success" equals or exceeds your own
And I do it eating meat
So does this make my path as equally as positive as your own in your opinion? If you answer yes to that question, I will say "ditto" to your successes and it comes down to a each to their own type thing
But If you form another response in a fashion as to imply your path is better and healthier, then it shows your bias and ignorance on health and I will group you in with the rest of the vegan slime balls with an agenda and piss poor judgement on proper nutrition
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked]
#22217587 - 09/10/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vegan slimeballs. Sounds delicious!
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked] 1
#22217629 - 09/10/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Masked said: It seems you've missed my whole point
I live just as, even possible more than, a healthy lifestyle as you do. My "success" equals or exceeds your own
And I do it eating meat
So does this make my path as equally as positive as your own in your opinion? If you answer yes to that question, I will say "ditto" to your successes and it comes down to a each to their own type thing
But If you form another response in a fashion as to imply your path is better and healthier, then it shows your bias and ignorance on health and I will group you in with the rest of the vegan slime balls with an agenda and piss poor judgement on proper nutrition
Well yes, in the first sentence to my response I affirmed your question. I didn't intend to come into this thread to start preaching, if it seems so, I apologize to the OP.
It's just like the numerous paths to god or knowledge or whatever:
“The various religions are like different roads converging on the same point. What difference does it make if we follow different routes, provided we arrive at the same destination?” Gandhi
"All paths are the same, leading nowhere. Therefore, pick a path with heart!" Don Juan (Carlos Castaneda)
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked] 1
#22217694 - 09/10/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info, my weight for my height is outof shape yet I have crazy ass endurance. I just got a belly that needs-a-fixin....I will try to take what you said into consideration.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
#22217695 - 09/10/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then I to you as originally offered in my first reply to you 
Glad you have found a path that makes you feel like a million bucks man
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Masked]
#22217721 - 09/10/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I want to try more exotic meats. They sell roo steaks at the farmers market just pricey
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Mescalean]
#22217790 - 09/10/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right on, back at you.
I think my time in this thread is done, best wishes op.
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Re: Getting into shape- nutritional advice needed [Re: Akeldama]
#22218465 - 09/10/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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