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North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas
#22172896 - 09/01/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, well, this is officially getting fucked up... Weaponized drones used by law enforcements.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Well, drones are officially a problem.
About a month ago a fight broke out in an Ohio prison because a drone that may or may not have been operated by Santa dropped off 144.5 grams of tobacco, 65.4 grams of marijuana, and 6.6 grams of heroin.
And just last week authorities snatched up two men on a side road next to a jail in Maryland before they had a chance to make a special delivery with their drone – synthetic marijuana, tobacco, suboxone, a handgun, and, of course, porn DVDs.
According to a report from The Washington Post, FAA statistics show that there have been 700 drone “incidents” reported by pilots since the beginning of the year, with 70 since August 1st alone, and some of them “penetrating some of the most guarded airspace in the country.”
So you’d think we have enough to worry about. But you’d be wrong.
In North Dakota, it is now legal for law enforcement officials to grab a Frappuccino and a remote control and take a flying taser for a spin; as long as the weapons are considered “less than lethal,” they can stick them on a drone and send it up.
That includes the following nifty little gadgets: pepper spray, sound cannons, tasers and rubber bullets.
In other words, there’s no way anything could go wrong.
This all started with House Bill 1328, which had the stated intent of requiring police to obtain a search warrant before using a drone to snoop for criminal evidence. And, according to Rick Becker, the author of the original bill, it would have prohibited all weapons from police drones if passed in its intended form.
But then the Grand Forks County Sheriff had an objection to the bill. And so did someone from the North Dakota Department of Commerce, and so did someone from an economic development group, and so did the Director of the University of North Dakota’s drone major program (yup, that’s a thing), and so did, of course, the founder of a drone company.
So after a whole bunch of testimony a guy named Bruce Burkett, a lobbyist, was given permission to make some significant edits to the bill, squashing the warrant requirement and for some insane reason, enabling the weapons option.
Part of it comes down to police procedure, but as you might expect, much of it comes down to money.
“I think when you’re trying to stimulate an industry in your state, you don’t want things that would potentially have a chilling effect on [drone] manufacturers,” Al Frazier told The Daily Beast.
Who is Al Frazier, you’re wondering? Oh, he’s a deputy at the sheriff’s office who flies drones. Apparently he’s just really concerned with the economy.
This is causing a big stir amongst people adamant about protecting civil liberties. While weapons are allowed on the drones, the only thing with which they’re actually equipped at the moment is a camera – so if a warrant isn’t required to use it, you never know when a tiny aircraft could innocently float over your loud BBQ party just to check things out.
But in the U.S., generally speaking, if they’re allowed to do stuff with weapons, they do. So civil liberties aside, the fact that Cletus the agitated pot-bellied cop is now allowed to fly mini-choppers strapped with tasers and little rubber missiles just plain scares the crap out of me.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Patlal]
#22172909 - 09/01/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could you post the link?
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22173095 - 09/01/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What are we going to do about the U.S.A. ?
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Zombi3]
#22173146 - 09/01/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont see a problem with it. Non-lethal weapons.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22173155 - 09/01/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: I dont see a problem with it. Non-lethal weapons.
For now.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22173193 - 09/01/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Getting maced by a drone, that's rich.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22173209 - 09/01/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I dunno.
I'm a little older so my knee jerk anti-cop bias has been replaced with a kind of cautious appreciation. I now have shit I value and dont want stolen and a family that isn't always with me. Police seriously need to re-evaluate their relationship with the public they're supposed to be protecting, and I can see how 'drones' would further distance them if used for community policing (which I dont think they will be).
On the other hand, violent criminals are constantly looking for an advantage and every new tech that can save a life should be tried out. P.S. I heard the 'tazer' isnt really an option with these aerial devices.
TL;DR: I can see the pros and cons.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Midnight_Toker] 1
#22173212 - 09/01/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so wait... are people objecting to the use of less lethals now? I say we stick with the old fashioned way of handling it. shoot the bastards until they're dead
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22173218 - 09/01/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: Could you post the link?
I am curious about the link too I heard last week that North Dakota passed a law that makes them the only state where drones are allowed to fly up to 2000 feet 24 hours a day, But it didn't mention the year gas or anything to do with law enforcement My understanding was that there is little air travel In ND and there were merely scientists behind the new law to do agricultural studies that couldn't easily be done when they were limited to a 200 foot umbrella and only during certain hours
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Prisoner#1] 3
#22173219 - 09/01/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As long as I can whack a drone that's macing me with a baseball bat without getting charged with attempted homicide on a police officer.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22173222 - 09/01/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: P.S. I heard the 'tazer' isnt really an option with these aerial devices.
http://time.com/19929/watch-this-drone-taser-a-guy-until-he-collapses/
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22173231 - 09/01/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A stun grenade drone.. Imagine a drone kamikaze-swooping down on you and exploding like a flashbang
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Asante]
#22173247 - 09/01/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: A stun grenade drone.. Imagine a drone kamikaze-swooping down on you and exploding like a flashbang 
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22173248 - 09/01/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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NPR PIECE ON THIS
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SIEGEL: There were headlines that said North Dakota has legalized Taser drones. Are Tasers in the not-so-lethal or nonlethal category?
REITAN: Well, they're considered nonlethal. But when you start thinking of the logistics of it, the length of the wire attached to the Taser and especially on a unstable drone platform - practically, I don't see it happening. Really, the focus behind an unmanned aerial system is the ability to search wider areas from a position of advantage. If we have somebody that runs off into a cornfield and hides, we would be able to deploy one of these small drones and quickly fly over the cornfield looking down. And that's true life.
Who knows. Yeah, I can kinda see this getting out of control if not monitored.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22173255 - 09/01/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so wait... are people objecting to the use of less lethals now? I say we stick with the old fashioned way of handling it. shoot the bastards until they're dead
Personally, I wouldn't mind if cops in my cities had Leopard tanked and Apache helicopters. I'm not a criminal and I have no fear of the cops. I'm 100% on their side. That is until they point their the turrets on my house and hover over my backyard for no reason, which I trust they wouldn't because I have committed 0 crimes.
It's bad news for the bad guys that's for sure. Hell, I can officially say that if a drone patrol my street up and down 24/7, I'd feel safer. But don't cross the fence of my backyard.
And yes Pris, sometimes your way of thinking is bang on. It's much better to have non-lethal drones floating around than an officer shooting you in the head on a kneejerk reaction to you reaching in your pocket to get your drivers license
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22173260 - 09/01/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22173264 - 09/01/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: NPR PIECE ON THIS
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SIEGEL: There were headlines that said North Dakota has legalized Taser drones. Are Tasers in the not-so-lethal or nonlethal category?
REITAN: Well, they're considered nonlethal. But when you start thinking of the logistics of it, the length of the wire attached to the Taser and especially on a unstable drone platform - practically, I don't see it happening. Really, the focus behind an unmanned aerial system is the ability to search wider areas from a position of advantage. If we have somebody that runs off into a cornfield and hides, we would be able to deploy one of these small drones and quickly fly over the cornfield looking down. And that's true life.
Who knows. Yeah, I can kinda see this getting out of control if not monitored.
and you believe that a police drone with a taser would be unmonitored?
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22173270 - 09/01/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont really care one way or the other.
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: shellzenone]
#22173273 - 09/01/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: North Dakota Has Legalized Police Drones Equipped with Tasers and Tear Gas [Re: Patlal] 1
#22173281 - 09/01/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting times we live in, with cops and civilians getting access to drones.
Imagine a bank robbing group having drones up to spot cop cars and perhaps taking them out.
Imagine police drones outright attacking suspects.
Scary.
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