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SoupSandwich



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I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do?
#22172781 - 09/01/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Feels shitty, man.
I want to get back in the swing of things now that I've stabilized and got a decent sleep schedule going...but who's gonna hire a motherfucker like me? McDonald's dont fit. They work you like a dog plus they talk too much shit. Without those dollar signs. It's like living and dying at the same time.
Anyone else had this happen? Like 10 years just slides on by and then you need to get a job and the only places hiring are shithole disposable jobs like retail and fast food.
Any advice for conning these people into hiring me? Thanks.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22172792 - 09/01/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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in this economy? Lie or kill yourself
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22172797 - 09/01/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have good references, the unemployed time gap shouldn't be that big of an issue.
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Midnight_Toker
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 3
#22172800 - 09/01/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Volunteer or straight up lie on your resume. Get a couple of friends or your mom and dad to help you and pretend to be your old bosses when they call for references.
Either that or just be honest about whatever your situation was. I'd just lie though. 10 years is a long time with no job and you aren't going to seem worth betting on for most employers.
You should try a temp agency. A lot of the time, after getting sent to a few places, one of them will pick you up and hire you on as an employee. That's how I've gotten a couple of decent jobs in my life.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22172803 - 09/01/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How old are you? Construction might be the way to go if you are under thirty or so.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: 1234go]
#22172805 - 09/01/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get into construction and tell them you've been running an Internet business for quite some time. Or my favorite option start prostituting
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker] 1
#22172808 - 09/01/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you get by ten years without working? Id go insane from all the boredom and no moneys...
My only advice to you would be make friends with somebody who owns a small business that does private contracting. Like roofing, other carpentry, or landscaping. And you could fill in the gaps saying you worked under the table doing one of those three and put your friend as a reference. All he has to do is answer when they call and say ya he worked for me landscaping hes great at cutting grass.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SuperFly]
#22172810 - 09/01/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was thinking about volunteering, but even some of those need references. Sucks being 30+ years old and possibly working at the same place you did as a teen.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker] 6
#22172812 - 09/01/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you have a college degree?
Do you have any skills?
What have you done for the last 10 years?
You sound like you have nothing going for you and yet feel like you are above fast food/retail jobs. Maybe you should start mopping floors and maybe some day you'll get promoted to fries.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: grower182]
#22172830 - 09/01/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: grower182]
#22172841 - 09/01/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look soups its not that bad man its jus gonna take a little pokin around but i bet theres a place out there for you. you seem like u have a good head on ur shoulders. jus start putting feelers off in all directions. I disagree with going to fast food type jobs unless its an absolute last resort. They dont pay a livable wage and most people end up working close to 60hrs a week at like 3 diff places just to get by and at that point they become trapped hell if your car breaks or anything you end up plaing catch up thats when basically your life is ruined. Youll wake up 55 a manager at mcdonalds nothing to show for your life nothing to retire on a shlub with no free time and not a dollar in your pocket.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22172857 - 09/01/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean, I need some extra cash, but would also like a job that I can use as a legit reference in the future. Taco Bell or some shit aint gonna cut it.
I think I'm going to pick up a few applications just to get used to filling them out and getting my story straight. Might even work at Subway or whatever (if they'll have me) just to get used to it again.
The hard part is going to be finding adequate people to make stuff up about my previous experience. I dont think they can ask really personal questions (when calling your references) but most of my friends frown on lying in general, so...
Wish me luck!
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] 2
#22172858 - 09/01/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Part of having a job is an employee and employer relationship. You don't want to start that off with a lie. Would you want your employer feeding you bullshit? Just say that you have had personal issues going on in your life. They cannot probe about what that entails. Show them you are ready to work and you'll land a job in no time. Best of luck!
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: ATCSharp] 2
#22172887 - 09/01/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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they wont hire you you know how many resumes a person gets for a position these days. Soups is going straight in the trash at first glance get real people.
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Midnight_Toker
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22172895 - 09/01/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously, try a temp agency.
They will start you off with low hours at a place that isn't important to them. That's them gauging your reliability and workmanship. After that, you'll go up to their bigger contracts that pay a little more and have more hours. The bigger contracts often hire permanently through the temp agencies.
I only had 2 jobs before I started temping; one for a summer after grade 9 doing the lawn and gardening at my school, and one weekend midnights job at a 24hr restaurant. I started temping after I quit the restaurant gig and did a bunch of cool things and now I know the inner workings of wineries of all kinds, greenhouses, all kinds of places. Hell I can't even remember half of them anymore or what they made there.
Temping was also good for me to hone my social skills, which were lacking at the time, in a low stress environment. I've never seen a single one of the people I've temped with again in my life. Or if I have I've forgotten who they were entirely, just as they have me.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22172925 - 09/01/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need to just be active online on all the relevant job portals applying for positions that you could see yourself doing.
Write a cover letter that makes you fit the bill.
At least get used to applying and interviews.
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badchad
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: grower182]
#22172992 - 09/01/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: Taco Bell or some shit aint gonna cut it.
It sounds like Taco Bell may have to cut it.
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grower182 said:
You sound like you have nothing going for you and yet feel like you are above fast food/retail jobs. Maybe you should start mopping floors and maybe some day you'll get promoted to fries.
This^ what kind of job do you actually expect OP?
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: LobsterSauce]
#22173006 - 09/01/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Daily Labor is easy to get into but god damn it's hard work. May come down to that if nothing else shakes out though. Think I'd prefer the corner gas station or dishwasher somewhere...
Looking into volunteering. Was going to wait until I started school again (community college) as then it kind of makes sense why I dont have references, and shows that I'm smart and 'going places'...but I need some scratch to make ends meet.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22173031 - 09/01/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lie your ass off.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22173037 - 09/01/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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in your area look for free job training.. there are plenty of them here in the burgh /medical coding, lab worker, chef, metal shops .. my gf never worked a day in her life , at 35 she got sucked up by the mental health system, trained her. she now works in the biggest hospital system here, making good money.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22173042 - 09/01/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one hires off resumes anymore. Every place I have ever worked at takes the resumes they get back and throws them away.
All your gonna get with no references is a fast food job or a Pizza delivery job.
Being 30+ , not wanting any type of schooling, and no references your options are really short listed here. I have been doing construction for the past 7 years and even they don't hire "just anybody".
It's all about who you know. If not McDonalds is gonna have to do. Sorry to be the cold grip of reality here.
Edited by Burning Warrior (09/01/15 08:57 AM)
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22173051 - 09/01/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I end up working at Taco bell (etc) I'll be laughing under my breath the whole time but will make the most out of it, but really, who sees themselves working at some teenage job like that? Not for long! Still, might be good for a quick paycheck though.
I dont mind working retail, or hell even food service, but the places that would attract me ( grungy dives and record / book stores ) usually have a line of hipsters competing for those jobs.
Maybe I'll start collecting cans by the side of the road?

Can't wait to move, we're fixing up the house now. When I get to Oregon, or Washington, or possibly Colorado, I might be allowed to take a few road trips and hobo around working wherever... to fund the excursion. Always wanted to hike the Oregon Coast Trail. Revisit my Glory Days.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22173097 - 09/01/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think all the advice that can be given on this topic has already been brought up.
I'm just extremely curious. How did you feed and house yourself over the last decade?
Edit: If you don't have anyone or anything holding you down, go travel throughout CO or CA trimming bud. All the weed you can smoke, a halfway decent paycheck, and the chance to travel the country for basically free.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: kr0nik0]
#22173130 - 09/01/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My wife has two bachelors. I helped her get into teaching, worked for us both for the first few years and she's been taking care of me for all the rest of this time. We're both from messed up families and she knows a lot about my 'issues' like alcoholism and bipolar/depression and stuff. The main plan is to move out-of-state, then start going to school, when I know I can go back-to-back and not forget the math like I always do between odd semesters here and there. Anyways, thank the gods for my patient wife! She's one of a kind.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22173174 - 09/01/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right on, happy to hear you have a healthy relationship with someone that cares about you. I'm sure you'll be able to line up a job before you know it. Good luck!
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: kr0nik0]
#22174123 - 09/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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apply to every trade union in your area learn a tread great bennies and can't beat the money
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22174214 - 09/01/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just lie man. Have friends/family pose as previous supervisors. Most starting jobs I've got didnt verify anything, and when they did a simple call to my fake bosses sufficed.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22174266 - 09/01/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: I mean, I need some extra cash, but would also like a job that I can use as a legit reference in the future. Taco Bell or some shit aint gonna cut it.
I think I'm going to pick up a few applications just to get used to filling them out and getting my story straight. Might even work at Subway or whatever (if they'll have me) just to get used to it again.
The hard part is going to be finding adequate people to make stuff up about my previous experience. I dont think they can ask really personal questions (when calling your references) but most of my friends frown on lying in general, so...
Wish me luck!
here's an idea, what do you think of it?; - buy a tent, and get a mining job... do it like for a year.
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akira_akuma
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: grower182]
#22174295 - 09/01/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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grower182 said: Do you have a college degree?
Do you have any skills?
What have you done for the last 10 years?
You sound like you have nothing going for you and yet feel like you are above fast food/retail jobs. Maybe you should start mopping floors and maybe some day you'll get promoted to fries.
you realize all that shit you just announced is just about a bunch of bullshit right?
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22174314 - 09/01/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: My wife has two bachelors. I helped her get into teaching, worked for us both for the first few years and she's been taking care of me for all the rest of this time. We're both from messed up families and she knows a lot about my 'issues' like alcoholism and bipolar/depression and stuff. The main plan is to move out-of-state, then start going to school, when I know I can go back-to-back and not forget the math like I always do between odd semesters here and there. Anyways, thank the gods for my patient wife! She's one of a kind. 
Your wife sounds like an enabler...just get a job for fucks sake...any job. Lie if you have to. Honestly, if you're not home running three young kids to school activities and cooking meals, cleaning the house...you have no excuses not to work. If you're alcoholic....stop drinking...easy peasy. If I can do it, anyone can.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22174327 - 09/01/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
Quote:
grower182 said: Do you have a college degree?
Do you have any skills?
What have you done for the last 10 years?
You sound like you have nothing going for you and yet feel like you are above fast food/retail jobs. Maybe you should start mopping floors and maybe some day you'll get promoted to fries.
you realize all that shit you just announced is just about a bunch of bullshit right?
Yea but it gets you hired...
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: The Moose] 1
#22174345 - 09/01/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lie, lie and lie some more.
If they ask you to back it up, lie again.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22174347 - 09/01/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
akira_akuma said:
Quote:
grower182 said: Do you have a college degree?
Do you have any skills?
What have you done for the last 10 years?
You sound like you have nothing going for you and yet feel like you are above fast food/retail jobs. Maybe you should start mopping floors and maybe some day you'll get promoted to fries.
you realize all that shit you just announced is just about a bunch of bullshit right?
lol no, i would do it. but i would take steroids on the job.
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akira_akuma
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: The Moose]
#22174351 - 09/01/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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the people hiring...they can literally fucking get shot.
fuck em. lol what do they know about hiring anyone? they don't even know what they're looking for, personally, they just insist that you prove that you wanna work for any retard, oh you've worked here and here, great, we know you'll be a great asset; of course not one thing has to do with whether you can do the job, no, it's all to do with pleasing everyone and keeping that expectation of worker bees high.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
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dude just make some shit up and say you were an online freelancer or an entrepreneur or something for the past 10 years. say you flipped items on ebay or some shit, make it up.
now obviously if they asked for proof of that (like your ebay store name or something) you might be in a pickle. or you can say you just did freelance work on elance or something.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: the people hiring...they can literally fucking get shot.
fuck em. lol what do they know about hiring anyone? they don't even know what they're looking for, personally, they just insist that you prove that you wanna work for any retard, oh you've worked here and here, great, we know you'll be a great asset; of course not one thing has to do with whether you can do the job, no, it's all to do with pleasing everyone and keeping that expectation of worker bees high.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
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Get into the trades, home construction, painting, etc.
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akira_akuma
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: pineapple3]
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funny how most people whom are hiring people do not realize they're hiring liars. so what's the fucking point of screening people through in this manner, if people just fuckin' lie anyway about their references. i'll tell you why...because people are stupid.
anyone who accepts this practice is...being idiotic.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
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I love how people keep saying trades like its some how easier than other fields without experiance. go to the union
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akira_akuma
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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^ yeah
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[quote][b][i]akira_akuma said:[/i][/b] [quote][b][i]pineapple3 said:[/i][/b]
:gooby:[/quote] funny how most people whom are hiring people do not realize they're hiring liars. so what's the fucking point of screening people through in this manner, if people just fuckin' lie anyway about their references. i'll tell you why...because people are stupid.
anyone who accepts this practice is...being idiotic.[/quote]
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22174472 - 09/01/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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funny how most people whom are hiring people do not realize they're hiring liars. so what's the fucking point of screening people through in this manner, if people just fuckin' lie anyway about their references. i'll tell you why...because people are stupid.
anyone who accepts this practice is...being idiotic.
They're not just hiring any liars though. They're hiring confident liars who've sold them the lies in such a way that would have them believe the job would be easily done by this person.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: LobsterSauce] 1
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that's terrible screening. i don't mind the lying...in fact i understand the lying (and your point, oh with that confidence why couldn't this person work for us? which is exactly my point...) you shouldn't need to lie about this BULLSHIT. you should just be able to prove you can do the job, and then if you can, well enough then you're hired.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#22174487 - 09/01/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: Seriously, try a temp agency.
They will start you off with low hours at a place that isn't important to them. That's them gauging your reliability and workmanship. After that, you'll go up to their bigger contracts that pay a little more and have more hours. The bigger contracts often hire permanently through the temp agencies.
I only had 2 jobs before I started temping; one for a summer after grade 9 doing the lawn and gardening at my school, and one weekend midnights job at a 24hr restaurant. I started temping after I quit the restaurant gig and did a bunch of cool things and now I know the inner workings of wineries of all kinds, greenhouses, all kinds of places. Hell I can't even remember half of them anymore or what they made there.
Temping was also good for me to hone my social skills, which were lacking at the time, in a low stress environment. I've never seen a single one of the people I've temped with again in my life. Or if I have I've forgotten who they were entirely, just as they have me.

Thanks to temping I have a "really nice job" in corporate america that most people would kill for with little/intermittent previous work experience. I personally hate corporate america and all day every day office work but they are paying me pretty good.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22174505 - 09/01/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: that's terrible screening. i don't mind the lying...in fact i understand the lying (and your point, oh with that confidence why couldn't this person work for us? which is exactly my point...) you shouldn't need to lie about this BULLSHIT. you should just be able to prove you can do the job, and then if you can, well enough then you're hired.
But is it hard to get work flipping burgers or whatever? How much lying is needed for working work?
I would reckon for positions that require less know-how, you wouldn't need to lather on the lies so much or they wouldn't be grilling you about your past fast food experiences.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22174520 - 09/01/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: My wife has two bachelors. I helped her get into teaching, worked for us both for the first few years and she's been taking care of me for all the rest of this time. We're both from messed up families and she knows a lot about my 'issues' like alcoholism and bipolar/depression and stuff. The main plan is to move out-of-state, then start going to school, when I know I can go back-to-back and not forget the math like I always do between odd semesters here and there. Anyways, thank the gods for my patient wife! She's one of a kind. 
It seems that you make a bunch of excuses so you can keep being lazy. Based on my past experiences with people your wife is probably going to leave you soon if you don't provide anything. Or what if she dies. Then you'll be 40 and working entry level jobs. Enroll in college today or tomorrow then spend the rest of your time putting in applications. Put in applications for every entry level job you can until you get hired. When you get hired work your ass off even if its just taco bell, that way you'll get a good reference for your next job. If you get hired at a dead end place with no chance for promotion, or a place that doesn't teach you a valuable skill, then put in more applications until you find a place worth working for. I'm not sure how to explain the 10 year gap in unemployment. Maybe you could tell them you were a stay at home dad for your girls kid. Or you had a big inheritance that kept you alive, or maybe that you traded stocks. Quit the drinking too. Or practice self control and save it for your days off. No one wants to hire an acoholic
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: LobsterSauce]
#22174524 - 09/01/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, no, shit no of course not.
not for something like that.
it's the principal damn it.
i wouldn't lie to get a fast food job. i have no references either, and what i'd do is explain to them my vast need for the job and identify with the interviewer, tell my story.
if that doesn't eventually work, and i don't start getting call-backs then those places are probably really really shitty places to work.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22174525 - 09/01/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: myc_check1212]
#22174538 - 09/01/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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get shipped off just to haul ass 25/7 and get barked at?
there's a reason there are even any benefits to recruitment...because it's absolutely horrid to train for that.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22174757 - 09/01/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I think a good first step is to just start filling out applications everywhere even Mcdonalds, because your really in a tough position as far as job politics go to be picky. Its definitely a good idea to start getting used to the process, filling apps, writing resume's, making calls and cover letters. You may be fortunate and find something decent with little trouble, but most likely though unless you take any opportunity you can get, you're going to be jumping through allot of hoops only to get nowhere.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#22177634 - 09/02/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Midnight_Toker said: Seriously, try a temp agency.
They will start you off with low hours at a place that isn't important to them. That's them gauging your reliability and workmanship. After that, you'll go up to their bigger contracts that pay a little more and have more hours. The bigger contracts often hire permanently through the temp agencies.
I only had 2 jobs before I started temping; one for a summer after grade 9 doing the lawn and gardening at my school, and one weekend midnights job at a 24hr restaurant. I started temping after I quit the restaurant gig and did a bunch of cool things and now I know the inner workings of wineries of all kinds, greenhouses, all kinds of places. Hell I can't even remember half of them anymore or what they made there.
Temping was also good for me to hone my social skills, which were lacking at the time, in a low stress environment. I've never seen a single one of the people I've temped with again in my life. Or if I have I've forgotten who they were entirely, just as they have me.

Thanks to temping I have a "really nice job" in corporate america that most people would kill for with little/intermittent previous work experience. I personally hate corporate america and all day every day office work but they are paying me pretty good.
Yeah and most temp agencies hire for both office and labour work. Sammich could try out both and see what he likes better. Then if he wants to further himself in the future, he'll know whether it will be towards either an office or factory/trades environment.
The first step is just getting a job though, and if you live in a decent sized city, and especially if you have your own transportation, temping means fast food doesn't even have to be an option.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: LobsterSauce]
#22177721 - 09/02/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How much lying is needed for working work?
I would reckon for positions that require less know-how, you wouldn't need to lather on the lies so much or they wouldn't be grilling you about your past fast food experiences.
I think you're spot on. For shit jobs, you can lie your way in. For more advanced jobs, applicants are screened.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Mr. Material]
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#22178093 - 09/02/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Learn a valuable skill online for free as fast as you can, then take that knowledge and a) start your own business or b) get hired
The only skill that comes to mind where the above is possible is computer programming.
There are opencourses online with lectures from MIT, Harvard, Princeton.
I believe MIT offers online classes complete with video lectures, community graded assignments and tests, forums..all for free.
With enough motivation/time you could become a fairly decent programmer within 6 months time..write an app or get a job to get $$
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: hTx]
#22178114 - 09/02/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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McDonalds. They're always hiring
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
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SoupSandwich said: If I end up working at Taco bell (etc) I'll be laughing under my breath the whole time but will make the most out of it, but really, who sees themselves working at some teenage job like that? Not for long! Still, might be good for a quick paycheck though.
I dont mind working retail, or hell even food service, but the places that would attract me ( grungy dives and record / book stores ) usually have a line of hipsters competing for those jobs.
Maybe I'll start collecting cans by the side of the road?

Can't wait to move, we're fixing up the house now. When I get to Oregon, or Washington, or possibly Colorado, I might be allowed to take a few road trips and hobo around working wherever... to fund the excursion. Always wanted to hike the Oregon Coast Trail. Revisit my Glory Days. 
I know a girl who worked in McDonalds for three years to afford her Criminology degree.
She's 34.

Get of your high horse, you think life comes easy?
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Beanhead]
#22178347 - 09/02/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Come now, he is obviously too good for that.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: The Moose]
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I am. The fuck would I do with a criminology degree?
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#22186944 - 09/04/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: If I end up working at Taco bell (etc) I'll be laughing under my breath the whole time but will make the most out of it, but really, who sees themselves working at some teenage job like that? Not for long! Still, might be good for a quick paycheck though.
I dont mind working retail, or hell even food service, but the places that would attract me ( grungy dives and record / book stores ) usually have a line of hipsters competing for those jobs.
Maybe I'll start collecting cans by the side of the road?

Can't wait to move, we're fixing up the house now. When I get to Oregon, or Washington, or possibly Colorado, I might be allowed to take a few road trips and hobo around working wherever... to fund the excursion. Always wanted to hike the Oregon Coast Trail. Revisit my Glory Days. 
I know a girl who worked in McDonalds for three years to afford her Criminology degree.
She's 34.

Get of your high horse, you think life comes easy?
What an idiot. Why would you bust your ass at McDonalds to save up money for college and then get a degree in criminology? She better be going to law school.
Sammich, I've been waiting tables all throughout college and while it does suck, its good money and cash in your pocket every night if you can manage to land somewhere nice.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22187341 - 09/04/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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 who is that guy, hes hot as fuck. oh man

i actually came to him. jacked it.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22187627 - 09/04/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: I am. The fuck would I do with a criminology degree?
Nothing, you're too stupid even to catch a scammer. You can try ho'ing yourself out? Most honest occupation there is.
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: What an idiot. Why would you bust your ass at McDonalds to save up money for college and then get a degree in criminology? She better be going to law school.
Sammich, I've been waiting tables all throughout college and while it does suck, its good money and cash in your pocket every night if you can manage to land somewhere nice.
She doesn't have any debt how about you?

I didn't really get it either but she has a bank job now, credible degree gets you credible work
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Beanhead]
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Yeah I have debt. Its not ridiculous or anything though. Lets just put it this way, I'm qualified to do way more and will probably make way more money with my degree than she will. A bank job? She's probably a fuckin teller You can do that with a fucking GED
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22187652 - 09/04/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"probably"

you'll get over your insecurities one day.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Beanhead]
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I mean, if she decides to go to a top law school and gets to work in a good firm, she could definitely make just as much if not more than me one day. Just being realistic
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Mr. Material]
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more like 1000's of trolls, how many of us if used as a reference would give him the worst reference of all time just for the lolz. it would be quiet fun and halarious to make up some stupid horrible stories of working with someone as a fake reference. a pretty good one i just thought of is you make him sound good, like real good, then you quickly switch it up and make it like you were describing how he was having sex with you in a back room during your shift one time
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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more like 1000's of trolls, how many of us if used as a reference would give him the worst reference of all time just for the lolz. it would be quiet fun and halarious to make up some stupid horrible stories of working with someone as a fake reference.
More importantly "references" generally refers to past supervisors and/or coworkers. If you're using buddies as a "reference" its very likely your job is shit.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
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So what do you make of all this, SoupSammich?
Are you gonna try and get out there next week?
I know I'm like a broken record, but a temp agency will probably still take you even if you're honest about your lack of work. Just think of some positive bullcrap to say. Also I never even ended up giving my temp agency my third reference, and one the number was disconnected. They bugged me every once in a while about it until it was obvious it didn't matter because I worked hard.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
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Basically the only thing that works for me, is having someone in the company with the ability to hire me, or have influence with the person who does the hiring. I hadn't worked in many years when I got probation and trying to find a job became mandatory. No one would hire me. No would hire me before that point either. I eventually got a job through a friend in retail. Then moved up to manager, and realized quickly why people with shitty work experience are generally avoided. Almost every single person who fit that bill while I was there, flaked out hardcore in less than a week or two.
Being a manger doesn't mean getting to sit in the office all day, unfortunately. I had more responsibility than any other employee except the few above me. So when someone decided they just didn't want to come in that day for whatever reason, it put me in a huge bind. I had more to do on any given day, than I could really get accomplished even without having to take over the tasks they would've been responsible for if they showed up (which was also more than anyone could really accomplish in a day). Employers want reliable people, and unfortunately the only real way to show you're reliable, is a good work history.
There are a few things this doesn't apply to, but in general, this is pretty much fact. Just because any idiot can ring up items, doesn't mean it's as simple as just instantly replacing you. So people are reluctant to even take the chance. At the very least, in a retail setting, when you get fired and have to be replaced because you're a dumbass teen who thinks going out on the weekends is more important that your job, it's going to be 2-3 weeks before a replacement is found. Which as I mentioned above, when we have to take up their slack, it puts everyone in a huge bind.
I've never done it, honestly I'd think lying your ass off and hoping they don't check is the best course of action unless you know someone who can get you hired.
Construction is a pretty safe bet. They don't generally go through all the bureaucracy that other places of employment do. To top it off even, practically anyone can do the work, so inevitably someone in the company always knows someone looking for work. They can (and I have seen it happen) be working the next day. No stress, no bullshit. Problem solved as quickly as it appeared.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Yep or you could do roofing as well, they will definitely hire you no questions if they need the manpower.
Construction is easier though. Roofing pays well but it's for a good reason. Your back will be gone by the time you're 50 roofing.
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Not if u do yoga^
Op, before u decide to anything u have to prepare urself mentally, realize that ur probably gonna have to work a shit job for a awhile, nothing wrong with that, fast food jobs aren't dead ends unless u let them and u really have nothing else planned except for working at mcdonalds.
Have a plan, and stick to it.
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Seriously though, fuck working at Mcdonalds with a bunch of pimply faced teenagers that are still in high school. Just get a serving job. You could probably go to a temp agency and they could land you a decent office gig if you're lucky.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Yep. Try out both office and labour from the temp agencies and see which one suits you better.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
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If you do roofs every summer all summer you'll be lucky to make it to 50 before your back goes. I've been doing it for 5 years and my back is shot if the temperature goes below 50 I'm pretty worthless. Luckily I get alot of siding and framing jobs those aren't as bad.
But alot of roofing/construction places will hire you without looking for references and past jobs and all that jazz. Alot of guys need people to do the grunt work and it's really hard to get someone to to work for you long term. Most of the guys I've hired have only lasted a summer. And most of them were flaky as hell. I just pretty much hire anyone who looks like they can physically do the job and don't look like they'll steal all my tools.
Also like mentioned before temp agencies are a good way to go. If they need people they'll hire anyone. They pretty much get paid part of your salary so if they don't have someone working they aren't making money. Even if it's a one day job they will look to hire someone. I've had success with them in the past but always had to pass a drug test the day I interviewed so keep that in mind before you go in. A few times I went in they said go take a drug test now and start work tomorrow.
There's options out there you just have to look. In my area the only people who are unemployed are people who don't want to work. The big excuse for them is blaming it on the economy but really their just lazy. When people say y
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I would seriously look into male escorting and just work at a fast food place until you get into the swing of things. Then go to a CC and get a degree
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BTW, I'm taking some of the advice in this thread. Also, getting really high. 
Threw up kratom while stuck in traffic. That was a blast. Thank God it was after the interview (at a book/music store, figured I'd start high...no sense immediately settling for the lowest fruit)...the interview went well and I might have a job!
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said: Being a manger doesn't mean getting to sit in the office all day, unfortunately. I had more responsibility than any other employee except the few above me. So when someone decided they just didn't want to come in that day for whatever reason, it put me in a huge bind. I had more to do on any given day, than I could really get accomplished even without having to take over the tasks they would've been responsible for if they showed up (which was also more than anyone could really accomplish in a day). Employers want reliable people, and unfortunately the only real way to show you're reliable, is a good work history.
Nothing like having full on stress (that would match any high dollar job) due to dealing with an overwhelming number of customers since 2 of your employees decided they 'didnt feel good' all while knowing in the back of your mind that you arent even getting paid a livable wage. Oh and since the people didnt show up you basically have to work until close even though you opened because the store wont operate if you leave.
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That's good. I mean even if you get a job you don't like you could also continue to search for a better job you like more. Seems like alot of times as soon as people find a job they just settle for it and stop looking to advance. I've done this before. Got a shitty job. Hated every minute of it. But I didn't look for a better one. If you keep searching eventually you ll land the job yo momma will be proud of.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: DTCharlieB]
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I'm in that position right now.. Keep saying I want to get out of there but I never do.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
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It's kind of hard once you get into a work routine. Work usually takes up alot of time then you get complacent and it's just kind of a pain to find another job. Sometimes it's hard to schedule interviews because your other job gets in the way. Etc. Etc.
It's hard to make that first step but worth it in the long run.
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I'm just putting in applications right now. At record stores, this one botanical gardening center (that sells kratom), looking at a few 'cooler' looking restaurants. Really just need a PT job to serve as a reference and get some pocket change. When I go back to college, after we move, I'll be more serious about the job thing. Maybe. Or maybe I'll be swamped with school?
I still have to paint the house and do all these 'chores', mow the grass, wash dishes, cook for wife and kids, clean, laundry, sweep, vacuum, etc etc.
For references I'm using phone numbers for recently closed stores and saying I worked for this one (record store / restaurant, whichever I'm applying for) for 6-7 years but they closed. 
Just being out there looking for a job is kind of a trip.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22202175 - 09/07/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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make money online
i make a couple hundred bucks a month from a few books i wrote and put on kindle and I haven't even put a whole ton of effort into it
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Midnight_Toker]
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Midnight_Toker said: You should try a temp agency. A lot of the time, after getting sent to a few places, one of them will pick you up and hire you on as an employee. That's how I've gotten a couple of decent jobs in my life.
Should you lie at a temp agency, be truthful or does it matter? How do temp agencies work? Can literally anyone find work this way? I'm curious since I hear people bring them up as a last resort.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
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Nemmies said: make money online
i make a couple hundred bucks a month from a few books i wrote and put on kindle and I haven't even put a whole ton of effort into it
How much cash? What books?
I was thinking of doing exactly this!
Please give me any info that you are comfortable with giving regarding salary, difficulty etc. And please let me know what titles you have written
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: topdog82]
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Try Walmart. Bad hours and pay, but noone wants it, so you get it
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Nemmies said: make money online
i make a couple hundred bucks a month from a few books i wrote and put on kindle and I haven't even put a whole ton of effort into it
that's really sad.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Nemmies said: make money online
i make a couple hundred bucks a month from a few books i wrote and put on kindle and I haven't even put a whole ton of effort into it
that's really sad.
Its genius. Do little and get paid
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i'd say it's more sad than anything. a whole not a lot of effort, and he gets paid?
both those concepts are just sad and depressing.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22202998 - 09/07/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i'd say it's more sad than anything. a whole not a lot of effort, and he gets paid?
both those concepts are just sad and depressing.
If you could get paid to have your ideas put on paper you wouldn't do it?
I have a tons of writings that I have made on my own. Getting paid to just upload them is great in my book
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no, he gets paid by people buying the quote unquote "the books he hadn't put a whole lot of effort into".
the people buying what amounts to low effort and something of a low standard, is what's sad.
Nemmies, could just be really good, but then why self-publish, why not make more money by putting something good out there with a publisher? methinks it's because Nemmies is probably not so good.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22203225 - 09/07/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people don't have to put much effort into making brilliance. Take me for example.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
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that is a flat out lie. if you didn't put any effort into it, then how can it be brilliant?
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22203403 - 09/07/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Brilliance and effort can be mutually exclusive things
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yes, in timely affairs sure. a quip. a philosophy. but in writing a book? anyone who's ever written anything great would tell you that it took them their all to achieve.
hence why no one has approached Nemmies. Nemmies could do better, i'm sure of it.
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#22203459 - 09/07/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: that is a flat out lie. if you didn't put any effort into it, then how can it be brilliant?
No it isn't. The top sound engineers in the music industry often say not to spend too much time on a project or the work will start to suffer.
Why do you think freestyling is so big in rap? Because to capture the best out of a song, it has to be felt in the moment.
The same can apply to writing books. The poet e.e. cummings is a good example.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
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e.e. cummings dedicated his life to writing, oh and the Enormous Room was taken from real life events. it's not the greatest example. it was easy for him, because he was brilliant, already. he wrote everyday of his life since the age of 5. or was it earlier?
and music is not the same, you've got a point there. when it comes to music, you rehearse more than you actually write, because the writing process comes fairly naturally, otherwise, then the work will suffer, as you've said.
and working on things in a timely matter (aforementioned) is not the same as "not giving it your all", which you're kinda seeming to imply.
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The more time you put into something the more effort you put into it. You can give it your all and make shit worse. It happens all the time.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
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but also the less time you put into it, the more effort can be afforded for the premise.
so in the same token, you can put effort into something without giving all that much time to it. 
generally, there are books pumped out everyday, some of them legit, some of them not so much. the ones that are legit have interesting premise's. new information. a point...ect.
the ones that are by the bye pumped out everyday with no publisher saying "hey that's some good shit", no editor; that are just sold for money, and nothing but, these books are more common then they should be.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22203715 - 09/07/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't give any posts here my all, but they are perfection.
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yes, i often compare my posts on this forum with books. 
PS: ee cummings is the man.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: no, he gets paid by people buying the quote unquote "the books he hadn't put a whole lot of effort into".
the people buying what amounts to low effort and something of a low standard, is what's sad.
Nemmies, could just be really good, but then why self-publish, why not make more money by putting something good out there with a publisher? methinks it's because Nemmies is probably not so good.
i am a finance student, also learning affiliate marketing, kindle was more of a side project, its more beginner friendly and you get to saddle onto amazons fuck tons of traffic it was one of my first efforts at making money online i have made around 2200 dollars the past 5 months with very little money spent
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Nemmies said: make money online
i make a couple hundred bucks a month from a few books i wrote and put on kindle and I haven't even put a whole ton of effort into it
that's really sad.
how is it sad? don't you still suckle of the tit of your parents and are proud of it?
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akira_akuma said: yes, in timely affairs sure. a quip. a philosophy. but in writing a book? anyone who's ever written anything great would tell you that it took them their all to achieve.
hence why no one has approached Nemmies. Nemmies could do better, i'm sure of it.
they are recipe books that i slightly rewrote definitely not betty crockers but they make me money copyright law is a beauty
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
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anyone interested in self publishing check out this guy on youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/DMK1221
Edited by thelanzii (09/07/15 09:42 PM)
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
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Volunteer and build up a nice collection of references and some places, dates and responsibilities to put on a resume. See what kind of temp work is going on in your area and maybe give something like a career link facility a try.
Learn a new skill, even if you can't afford classes or formal school at the moment, if you're tech-savvy there's a number of things pertaining to computers that you can learn on your own well enough to do freelance work.
also, you'll get a lot farther if you swallow your pride and realize everyone knows something you don't and you can learn a lot from any job experience whether or not it's flipping burgers.
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how is it sad? don't you still suckle of the tit of your parents and are proud of it?
it's sad because you just ripped off some shit from other people and didn't do anything.
you're a cheat. and also a poor influence. and a shitty person.
like i thought. you scammed and you think it's fuckin' great, because you make a buck. utter shite.
financing is bullocks. a crock. getting money for absolutely dick-all. for shame, ya weak-mind.
recipe books make money - more than grand literary achievement, though - that's fuckin' sad, too.
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my books serve people and are completely legal by copyright law people pay 4 times what my books cost for the same or similar recipes off of someones youtube channel
these books took time and effort but as stated they are not betty crocker's
i didnt scam shit
when I have my degree people will trust me with their life's work the fuck you got going for ya?
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you're scam-tastic!
you even said it yourself. you charge people 4x the price for something that you "re-worded" from other cookbooks & Ibid something they could easily find on a cooking channel on Youtube.
you have copyright law on your side? ohhh so that makes it not a scam?
it's litter-ature. you've bested nothing. you've just made a corny attempt to be relevant by taking and "re-working" and taking liberties of other people's work, just for a buck, to show you can finance yourself by what? cheating, basically. you suck as author, and a financier.
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their books are 4x the price of mine brah
no one owns a banana and peach fucking smoothie process
your prolly broke
what i did was ethical
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taking people and re-working people's work is not ethical, it's plagiarism for plagiarism's sake. (and it's not equitable either, you're not helping the market, nor helping serve people anything more than what you've said your working against, the "price-gouging" cookbook recipe's you can get off the internet, AS YOU SAID YOURSELF.)
cookbooks are a cashcow, and you've cashed in on it. you've made it cheaper, but not for any ethical reason, hell no, you've done it to make quick cash. how is that ethical, especially when it was re-done from other people's work? you've ADMITTED IT. sorry, but not only should cookbooks in general be put on blast (notoriously over-expensive and over-popularized; the internet, frankly works just as well, as you've stated, but also, learning to cook proper and about food history or flavor combinations, that's all fine and dandy, and there are good cookbooks that have some recipes but focus on other aspects of homecooking; saves the trip to culinary school though does not best it by any means) but you, my friend, have cheated the system, and not ethically. not by a stretch.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205172 - 09/07/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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a book that took me two hours to write is going to make me over a grand this year,
you mad brah?
amazon customer approved
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205176 - 09/07/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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not mad, just disgusted.
you know you've won the argument, when you get a "you mad bruh" statement of inferiority.
Amazon would love to hear about your profile here and your plagiarism, better go and edit yo' shit, not that it'd help that much...but nah, i don't eat cheese.
you're still a rip-off artist though.
i hope you don't accidentally obliterate your map with an item anytime soon.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205215 - 09/07/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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plenty of people doing exactly that tho who do you think i learned it from
disgusted by my ambition? weird hows not having a career treatin u?
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205250 - 09/07/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's pretty twisted, the message in your story here.
your career is royalty money from a cheap knock-off/rip-off cookbook? 2000 dollars in 5 months?
that's your stinking career? great stinking yarballs to you, chum.
i'm disgusted with your ethics. i'm disgusted with the triteness of the gormless bubble of pettiness you've convinced yourself is achievement.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22205267 - 09/08/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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soon to be CFP
six figure income if I play my cards right
2200 passive income from a hobbie
judging me when ur old and still live with your parents and if I remember correctly quite prideful about it
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205275 - 09/08/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: taking people and re-working people's work is not ethical
Ethics usually doesn't put food on the table
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205286 - 09/08/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: soon to be CFP
six figure income if I play my cards right
2200 passive income from a hobbie
judging me when ur old and still live with your parents and if I remember correctly quite prideful about it
your crushing it bro
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22205294 - 09/08/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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appreciate it i never claimed anything great its just a little funky being judged by akira who does fuck all and admits to it with pride
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii] 1
#22205297 - 09/08/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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He does some stuff, like clean his room.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205301 - 09/08/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: appreciate it i never claimed anything great its just a little funky being judged by akira who does fuck all and admits to it with pride
you're such a busy body con-artist.
whoopy!
Edited by akira_akuma (09/08/15 12:21 AM)
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
#22205312 - 09/08/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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D.M.T said:
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akira_akuma said: taking people and re-working people's work is not ethical
Ethics usually doesn't put food on the table
and you're ok with that? didn't think you'd be so blasé with ethical concerns....
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Nemmies said: soon to be CFP
six figure income if I play my cards right
2200 passive income from a hobbie
judging me when ur old and still live with your parents and if I remember correctly quite prideful about it
you don't deserve to counsel shit. what are you gonna inform people of the sky-rocket returns of self-publishing cookbooks?
i don't care if you're good with money, you're cheating, in practice.
you're a pettifogger.
oh well.
De gustibus non est disputandum
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D.M.T said: He does some stuff, like clean his room.
lol, your quibbles don't impress me.
i live with my parents. so what. the world is overly urbanized as it is. i don't need to live with Jo' Jack and Steve Stevens, the bong-wielding hustler cookbook artists, to feel independent, transient as ever; nope, my parents are fine with me here, and i do what i need to do to keep the house tidy and i receive room and board. i do my share. i never eat house and home, and i'm not that hungry anyway.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205318 - 09/08/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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learn the process yourself this guy makes a full time income with all these tactics
this shit isn't unethical
you could learn a thing or two from this guy
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205320 - 09/08/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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D.M.T said:
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akira_akuma said: taking people and re-working people's work is not ethical
Ethics usually doesn't put food on the table
and you're ok with that? didn't think you'd be so blasé with ethical concerns....
You know me better than that. Remember my human test subject thread?
I don't really think what he did is all that unethical though. How many songs out there share the exact same melody? Chord patterns? Nearly every creative work is inspired by something else.
I'm assuming he used recipes from a number of different books instead of just one. No one owns the rights to using a blender or putting some shit in an oven. Plus he undercut the competition.
Selling stuff at a more reasonable price like he did actually seems pretty ethical to me.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205335 - 09/08/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sad when you receive felicitations for your cajolery.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
#22205343 - 09/08/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You know me better than that. Remember my human test subject thread?
I don't really think what he did is all that unethical though. How many songs out there share the exact same melody? Chord patterns? Nearly every creative work is inspired by something else.
I'm assuming he used recipes from a number of different books instead of just one. No one owns the rights to using a blender or putting some shit in an oven. Plus he undercut the competition.
Selling stuff at a more reasonable price like he did actually seems pretty ethical to me. 
it's unprincipled. it's a get rich quick scheme, not a ovation, surely, of the principal's of finance.
he's undercutting his competition by using their own methods, what chutzpah! bravo!
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205346 - 09/08/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sick vocab you should use it in a cookbook might make you some cash
this is hardly a get rich quick scheme
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205354 - 09/08/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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felicitations children of humanity, it is Nemmies, the name's of the many stolen by the few, garnered an excellent sale of sloth and ignorance, and posterity for all financier's of great intellect. bask in his glory.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205355 - 09/08/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I only read the first page but why not say you were a stay at home dad/mom? If you don't mind starting off on a real serious lie that you will be maintaining as long as you have the job, why not? Have someone else's kids pictures on your phone and practice remembering the fake names and ages. People hire people with kids, in fact not having kids is a considered a bad sign by many employers. As long as there are no benefits or something you need to put a name down for how can anyone check that you really have kids? It's better than saying you sat at home doing drugs in your parents basement for 10 years.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205361 - 09/08/15 12:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm going to take it a step further and write a self-help book for akira_akuma to buy for when he needs help.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
#22205376 - 09/08/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: I only read the first page but why not say you were a stay at home dad/mom? If you don't mind starting off on a real serious lie that you will be maintaining as long as you have the job, why not? Have someone else's kids pictures on your phone and practice remembering the fake names and ages. People hire people with kids, in fact not having kids is a considered a bad sign by many employers. As long as there are no benefits or something you need to put a name down for how can anyone check that you really have kids? It's better than saying you sat at home doing drugs in your parents basement for 10 years.
really? worse than that rot you just laid out? i don't cheat. i don't need to cheat.
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D.M.T said: I'm going to take it a step further and write a self-help book for akira_akuma to buy for when he needs help.
my circumvallation of word's will conquer over all world tyranny.
i don't need your pithy help, your get rich schemes, nor do i need your "job". not yet at least i don't. thank you sweet charity of mind.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205383 - 09/08/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not just anyone can be an author like us, bro. There's a lot of people out there that can't even read.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: D.M.T]
#22205398 - 09/08/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i hate the ad populum argument.
you're full of shite, D.M.Derp.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205428 - 09/08/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dewd akuma nemmies is about to get a degree from fully accedited university maybe not even on the internet. hes basically a made man you show some respect
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22205434 - 09/08/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so what? i could be the presidential oratory adviser/writer, if i was pleased with such an end, but i wouldn't ever stoop that low.
PS: nice sarcasm.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205457 - 09/08/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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itll be funny when ur 45 and that tit is no longer there
you'll be making a thread just like this one
Edited by thelanzii (09/08/15 01:07 AM)
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22205491 - 09/08/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wouldn't that be an idiosyncratic irony of wallowing proportions to you; the epitome of my blunders? to never have worked in ten years and GASP have to find a job?
what sin, what drollery, what, am i in cahoots with Dionysus himself?
oh no, i'll have really lived up to your expectations and then some, wouldn't i? oh Good Lord, i'll be ill-prepared! In pecunia speramus! i can't survive without become rich first, oh the humanity!
my words through this thread entire will be but a foolish panegyric of myself!
PS: yeah, that is not something i'm worried about.
i can manage with low-income, i only can't manage with the middle-class, because it's at this point nothing but a sham.
but i don't press myself to get rich quick either, because it only inflates the middle-class.
though i'm meek, i'm not a barbarian.
Edited by akira_akuma (09/08/15 01:31 AM)
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: SoupSandwich]
#22205509 - 09/08/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: My wife has two bachelors. I helped her get into teaching, worked for us both for the first few years and she's been taking care of me for all the rest of this time. We're both from messed up families and she knows a lot about my 'issues' like alcoholism and bipolar/depression and stuff.
Not sure if this has been said or not, but you're a perfect candidate for Disability. Since you haven't worked for 10 yrs, SSD is off the table, but SSI would be something to look into. I've been on SSD since age 46 (I'm 61 now) & although it isn't a lot of $$$, you can get by on it. I prefer being 'retired'. Never get bored & can wake up whenever I please. I got my SSD for depression & take Klonopins for anxiety. So not only can I relax...I can really relax.
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22205733 - 09/08/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: that is a flat out lie. if you didn't put any effort into it, then how can it be brilliant?
I once wrote an A4 poem in ten minutes as an excuse instead of detention and teachers found it so brilliant they passed it to all the other teachers, the director and my detention was excused.
People are dumb
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: Beanhead]
#22205743 - 09/08/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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that's still missing the point.
their dumbasses found it brilliant, did you though?
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Re: I haven't worked in ten years, and have no references, what should I do? [Re: thelanzii]
#22206673 - 09/08/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: appreciate it i never claimed anything great its just a little funky being judged by akira who does fuck all and admits to it with pride
Im going to try and follow in your footsteps and publish a book with a bunch of writings I made myself
thanks mate. You have inspired me
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