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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#22577915 - 11/26/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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FishOilTheKid said: You might check out Phoenix Tears or Rick Simpson oil. Instead of smoked cannabis or vaped... You get a higher concentration of THC which smoking or vaping doesn't come close to delivering into your system. ...From what I understand.
 
Yeah that stuff is potent. When i went through my cancer scare I bought some and could barely use it i would be hallucinating so hard Most recommend building a big tolerance to the effects though.
Pulling for you Mick You have a beautiful heart my friend. Hope it sticks around for a good long while
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Or even try High cbd edibles or was if you need more cbd man. we make em pretty easy at my work so if your in a med or legal state you should be able to get similar shit. The high cbd edibles are great, ingestion is actually the most effectiv method of getting cbd into your system to man. best wishes to you. I have cancer written all throughout my genetic code so I've seen a lot of family members go through this. Best wishs to you and your loved ones, and if my 70 year old grandmother just beat it I'm sure you'll whipe the floor with it.
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: Mescalean]
#22583825 - 11/27/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you all, so much
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: ManianFH]
#22604622 - 12/02/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, Mick....just saw your thread...strength to ya man...chemo sucks...just had my dad go through with it ....was very hard on him physically. I'm kinda with you on the medical weed though...I never liked the effects of it. You may want to take a look at chaga, cordyceps, turkey tail, and reishi mushrooms. There have been studies done on some of their cancer fighting and chemo easing abilities (chaga)I have been making my own tinctures of chaga and reishi to treat my RA ...with success...been using them about two years now and was able to get off of some fucked up RA drugs....methotrexate is one, which is actually a chemo drug. Anyway, google these mushrooms and their qualities...there is quite a lot of good info out there. I would be happy to send you some of the tincture I made if you like...of course...free. Just im me if you want and give me your address. PS...I'll be rooting for KC now too, as long as they're not playing Baltimore.
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22606811 - 12/02/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha thanks man :0.. whats funny is we actually play each other this year, which like never happens. Ill be rooting for the Ravens too in other games ;p, but well save this chatter for the best shroomery thread.
Thanks for the suggestions, I am open to anything and will check that out. My bud works at a dispensary and just hooked me up with some pure CBD oils and whathaveyou. Gonna give those a try and see how they work. The Rick Simpson Oil is what I really wanted but its like $6000 for all the doses I would need.
Gonna try and spend a couple hundred on pure CBD oil to get past the nausea, and hopefully that works . Cheers brother!
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22607509 - 12/03/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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mick said: The Rick Simpson Oil is what I really wanted but its like $6000 for all the doses I would need.
Wowsers! Is that referring to the 60 gram in 60 days or whatever? My friend makes some and I believe it's cheaper to do it yourself if you're capable, but by how much i don't know. He said it worked on some of his family members with cancer I don't think it's the holy grail, but taming inflammation is really the big thing and cannabis has a knack for that. But it's certainly not the only thing that helps and i like Thayendanegea's suggestions as well
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Thayendanegea said: Wow, Mick....just saw your thread...strength to ya man...chemo sucks...just had my dad go through with it ....was very hard on him physically. I'm kinda with you on the medical weed though...I never liked the effects of it. You may want to take a look at chaga, cordyceps, turkey tail, and reishi mushrooms. There have been studies done on some of their cancer fighting and chemo easing abilities (chaga)I have been making my own tinctures of chaga and reishi to treat my RA ...with success...been using them about two years now and was able to get off of some fucked up RA drugs....methotrexate is one, which is actually a chemo drug. Anyway, google these mushrooms and their qualities...there is quite a lot of good info out there. I would be happy to send you some of the tincture I made if you like...of course...free. Just im me if you want and give me your address. PS...I'll be rooting for KC now too, as long as they're not playing Baltimore. 
RA as in rheumatoid arthritis? Have you tried an AIP diet? I have an autoimmune disorder that's a sort of chronic form of Guillaine Barre Syndrome and AIP reduced my symptoms by like 80% (might help you too mick if you're up for an extreme change ). Never went on any meds or anything aside from some antimicrobials and probiotics currently to try and get over that last 20%. Shits miserable man and I'm glad you're taking care of it well. I looked into those mushrooms heavily when i thought i had cancer but didn't have the understanding of physiology that i have now. May have to look back into it.
Key words though, microbiome. Keep those fuckers tamed. They're linked to pretty much every disease either directly or indirectly. Cannabis is great and all, but if you really want to get something at it's source, those are the guys to go after.
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Yes...Rheumatoid arthritis ...ans, yes, it sucks. I stay on a high fruit/ raw vegetable diet along with the reishi/ chaga extracts taken 2 droppers full several times a day and have had great success...like you, symptoms are down about 80%...I still stay in touch with my rheumatologist and get blood tested every 3 months...she is aware of my mushroom therapy, although not completely on board with it. However, she can't deny that my blood has looked excellent since I began this regiment and got off of her methotrexate plan...plus, I rarely get sick anymore...where I used to be on antibiotics all the time. What is AIP diet?
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22608925 - 12/03/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Yes...Rheumatoid arthritis ...ans, yes, it sucks. I stay on a high fruit/ raw vegetable diet along with the reishi/ chaga extracts taken 2 droppers full several times a day and have had great success...like you, symptoms are down about 80%...I still stay in touch with my rheumatologist and get blood tested every 3 months...she is aware of my mushroom therapy, although not completely on board with it. However, she can't deny that my blood has looked excellent since I began this regiment and got off of her methotrexate plan...plus, I rarely get sick anymore...where I used to be on antibiotics all the time. What is AIP diet?
Amazing how ignorant these doctors can be. I swear they don't even understand disease sometimes AIP stands for AutoImmune Protocol.
The short-long explanation is this... Basically ever cell in the human body is covered in special kinds of sugars called sialic acids. The arrangement of these sialic acids give the cell its identity and aid in cell-cell recognition. This is important for proper development as well as basic tissue homeostasis to ensure that all cells are in the proper location and interacting appropriately with their neighboring cells. Well, bacteria like to coat their outer membranes in sialic acids that they scavenge from their host in order to confuse the immune system. By doing this the immune system recognizes the bacteria as human tissue so to speak and doesn't attack it. But of course, it "knows better". It has autoreactive T-cells that remain inactive until they detect abnormal concentrations of these human-like antigens. This way it avoids attacking hosts tissue on a day to day basis, but in the case of life-threatening infection it can still target the bacteria.
Now, most bacteria we encounter exist in our digestive tract and oral cavities. Historically speaking humans ate a huge variety of complex whole foods providing various substrates for these bacteria to consume. This led to high diversity among these microbes as they carved out highly specialized niches and indeed modern day hunter-gatherer populations have the highest microbial diversity of any known population. Such diversity keeps the concentration of each population low and maintains this tolerance in auto-reactive T cells. However, in modern day scenarios we have reduced the diversity of our food drastically. The typical western diet looks like corn, soy, wheat, potatoes, tomatoes, and crappy meat. Furthermore we take in high numbers of individual substrates at the expense of others through modern day food processing and further disturb the ecology of our microbiome through antibiotics, proton pump inhibitors, etc. So essentially what happens is that as diversity is lost, and populations begin to grow unchecked, they get picked up by the immune system which initiates an inflammatory response. This inflammatory response causes collateral damage to the intestinal barrier. In normal infections this would be self-limiting, but because these are established populations this damage to the intestinal barrier is chronic and is known as "intestinal hyperpermeability". Since the barrier is the primary immune defense, this permeability allows abnormal concentrations of bacterial antigens to flow freely into the lymph tissue causing further inflammation and barrier degradation in a catalytic cycle. To make matters worse, many foods that we commonly eat such as grains, legumes, nightshade vegetables, etc contain compounds that may directly compromise the integrity of the intestinal barrier causing further translocation of bacterial antigens into the lymph tissue.
So what ends up happening is this inflammation can become systemic leading to insulin resistance, lipid disorders, and as these T-cells become activated they may harm specific human tissues due to the molecular mimicry between bacterial sialic acid structures and human sialic acid structures. So in my case there are bacteria in my gut (presumably E. coli) which have surface structures similar to sialic acids on my nerves. Because these bacteria have grown wildly out of proportion they have elicited an immune attack against them with antibodies that attack both the bacteria and my nerves. I also bring this up to Mick because this sort of chronic low grade inflammation has been implicated as an important part of cancer formation and metastases. Basically immune cells generate free radicals which are meant to harm pathogens but also cause DNA damage. At the same time the immune system is trying to repair the collateral damage to the tissues and so it secretes growth factors which stimulate cell proliferation and blood vessel formation. As the DNA damage in cells increase they become less able to appropriately respond to these signals and so over time they can become "cancerous" as the immune system directs them to grow and divide, supplies them with blood vessels, degrades the extra cellular matrix, and mobilizes them to different areas of the body. At the same time, the normal immune function of eliminating faulty cells becomes compromised by the distorted inflammatory environment and the cancer goes by undetected.
Sorry that was so long... But basically AIP is a diet based on the integration of contemporary sciences with evolutionary evidence to eliminate foods which promote this process while promoting foods that encourage a healthy gut flora and proper intestinal barrier function. It's not a silver bullet. Some things are easier to prevent than fix. For example I've been on AIP 6 months and still have massive amounts of E coli because they are resilient little fucks. But I went from barely being able to walk to having a little achiness in my legs now and then so I can't imagine how much worse it was before. And my metabolic markers are drastically improved. Of course, do what works for you, but I found this to be the most sensible diet when i really got into the science of it so it might be worth a try just to see if you can get that extra 20% But if you hear a lot about the microbiome project, this is an overly simplistic explanation of why it's so interesting. It is a complete paradigm shift in which most diseases are able to be reduced to relatively common origins (a doctor would shoot me for saying that but again they thought cymbalta was the answer...). And RA specifically has been linked to various microbes
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Thanks for that well thought out , awesome response.....what type of foods are on this diet?...Is this also called "leaky gut syndrome"? I have heard of that....which is why I started my raw fruits/ vegetable diet.
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22609598 - 12/03/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah leaky gut is one aspect of it. Ie what I referred to as intestinal hyperpermeability. The foods are basically Paleo derived though modified. For example while tubers are totally cool, a lot of people find they do better without potatoes since they belong to the nightshade family which contain glycoalkaloids that intercalate into the cell membranes of the gut epithelium and cause perforations. People take on the diet with various leniencies, though in the strictest sense it looks like: fruits, veggies, tubers, wild game/grassfedbeef/organ meat, fish, insects if you're adventurous. Grains/legumes/nightshades are pretty universally eliminated and then dairy, eggs, and nuts are generally eliminated initially. There are plenty of lay blogs and books on the matter. I come from a biochem background so I like to research myself, but before I knew what I was looking for I really enjoyed Sarah Ballantynes "Paleo Approach". It's a little hokey looking but she had a background as a PhD (studying sepsis I believe? Which is essentially the acute form of this process) and does a good job of explaining the concepts to lay folk while also capturing enough detail to help you really understand the process. She focuses more on "leaky gut" than the microbial aspects so I don't know if anyone out there is a better resource. That was my only experience aside from reading random articles here and there while looking for inspiration
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Thanks!!
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: Thayendanegea]
#22632592 - 12/08/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Best wishes to you Mick. Stay positive and strong!!! I hope the CBD oil works out for you. I can definitely relate with getting into a weird, uncomfortable headpsace with MJ. Maybe if you build up a tolerance with the oil and edibles then that will become more mellow.
Look into getting organic ginger from grocery store and you can peel/eat or juice it to help with nausea. Also has anti inflammatory properties.
There has been alot of research with those mushrooms mentioned, (Reishi, Chaga, turkey tail). There is a shroomerite who makes double extracts of those 3 with his wife, I will PM you about them. They may be able to provide some for you, they are very kind people.
Also look into growing broccoli sprouts (sulforaphane). This seems to be another tool you can have to help you.
You have what it takes, best of luck to your current treatment. We are here for you, with love
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Re: Been diagnosed with cancer - again [Re: weshroom]
#22644496 - 12/11/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry to hear about the health issue Mick. I wish you all the best.
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