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Salvia v Spice (K2) experience
    #22170389 - 08/31/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have only done spice (twice) and it was by far the most frightening experience I have ever gone through. I hear a lot about how Salvia is not to be messed with and is as frightening as Spice, where the two seem to be in a league of their own. While I know they are different, I was wondering if anyone has done both, and what the similarities/ differences in experience and which one is more terrifying.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22170490 - 08/31/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Salvia gets a bad rap because everybody tries smoking it first. Look up salvia quid. Quid simply means you chew the leaves, or some people just stick a wad of leaf in their cheek and let it sit there i think.

When salvia is ingested in this way, the experience is much more mild and longer lasting, being roughly an hour in duration. Not that the experience isn't strong, terence mckenna spoke very highly of it.

I'm sure smoking is still worthwhile but it sounds..idk, harsher.

And now I have to question your choice in drugs. On probation or underage? :lol: Spice is bad news dude.


Edited by Psilosopherr (08/31/15 06:32 PM)


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22170522 - 08/31/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Heaven & hell right there buddy.. stay away from spice & enjoy all the salvia you want.

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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22170605 - 08/31/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It really depends on how you use those substances. ive seen people bad trip balls on spice for like 45 mins twiching crying really low saying delusional nonsense ,and i my self got knocked by the spice.

but i imagine a safe user can definitly use it in normal dose and not be knocked out and just ride a buzz (but imo spice is a shitty and dangereous drug)

for the salvia, its different, if youre aiming for the sky with smoking extract, the trip is only 10-15 min top ,contrary to the spice drunken feeling of dying ,its a more like a trip in your mind with alot of confusion. really weird feeling everwhere in the body .really weird stuff you can like actualy experience being something else.

but a wiser user with a normal dose can just have a nice buzz and small cev and ride a nice and relaxing buzz, instead of being catapulted into other realms.

like a smart dude said once: The Difference Between Medicine And Poison Is In The Dose

Edit:that being said not implying spice is a medicine,just saying the dose can be life and death with spice.im sure you can legit die from smoking too much spice, but with salvia it can be intense or less intense ,but not lethal


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #22170934 - 08/31/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Jeez..  careful yo....


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22171620 - 08/31/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I did spice twice in the space of a week around 10 months ago and never touched it again, and never will. Like people often say with salvia, you forget who you are, and that you ever took the drug, and don't know what life is etc, but this is common with spice. They seem pretty common. So on salvia, do you not have the feeling of ego death like spice? Am I right in thinking a terrible experience where smoking too much of spice is more frightening than that of salvia, or are they too different feelings? They both seem similar in regards to disconnection from the body and mind, trying to understand what you feel on salvia that you don't on spice and vice versa.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22171741 - 08/31/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Spice almost killed me with 1 hit couples years back. Brand was "Outer edge" ..


fuck that... for me at least. I don't think I'l experiment with cannabanoids until someone finds a PERFECT one that's VERY safe.

Now salvia.. I do want to experiment with. :cool:


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #22173481 - 09/01/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I WILL NEVER FUCK WITH SALVIA AGAIN.....:bigyesnod:


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22174226 - 09/01/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Voodoochild, I enjoyed your post man. Gave me some insight into salvia. Has some common intense effects as Spice. Have you done spice?


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22174594 - 09/01/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Salvia is safe, and I've had amazing effects with salvia, just know your dose.

Voodoo had a bad experience because he smoked quite a bit of an extremely high extract. It'd be similar if he downed 20 grams of cubes. The intensity of salvia can be through the roof, but you just have to know your dose.

I suggest trying salvia, plain leaf is the best to get the salvia feel, most extracts are too strong and harsh. And it's SO much easier to take too much with extracts.

I love salvia, it's extremely safe on the body, and can be such a great teacher. Show salvia respect, and start low.

I have never done spice, and I don't plan to btw.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Achillita]
    #22174662 - 09/01/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think it varies from person to person. I personally don't bother with either.Salvia gives me a dissociative feeling and spice just makes my brain pretty hot. I'll stick with the cheeba haha.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: pippin]
    #22174827 - 09/01/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i smoked spice for 2 weeks straight at one point, even at work some days, (low dose ofc)
first time i tried a large dose, was pretty scary only cause i had the loop effect and
didnt know if it would end, apart from that it was an amazing experience
waves of pleasure one after another going throughout my body, and the place
you goto on it.. really good visuals, (kinda like a dreamworld, hard to remember when its over)
low dosing isnt worth it at all..


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: ikast]
    #22174889 - 09/01/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i should mention i found it hard to eat or sleep for 2 nights after the experience
whenever i put my head down my mind would spin outa control kinda like laying down
when you're really drunk..  i had no appetite and felt slightly disconnected from reality.
also never tried salvia but would like to, is it hard to get in melb?


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: ikast]
    #22175012 - 09/01/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I am from Melbourne too man, don't hear much about it here, doesn't seem that easy to get. Ps I know what you mean about the continous loop from spice, it was extremely distressing.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: ikast]
    #22175013 - 09/01/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Iv'e done both & can honestly say spice is shit. It has a consistency of ground up carpet & tastes like a tire. Also it's incredibly unhealthy, read up on some articles about the epidemic in NY & China..
Salvia on the other hand is enjoyable if approached with knowledge & understanding of it's effects on you. The first time I took salvia it was an extract(not sure what x it was) but I remember my buddy saying it was pretty potent.
He loaded up an average bong bowl and said the only way for it to work was to torch the whole thing and hold it in..
Did that & in the time smoke was coming out of my mouth my whole world caved in on itself, colors started shooting everywhere, then out of nowhere some alien looking chick in an all purple outfit with blackness surrounding her said "GO!" and my vision shot into her purple outfit, then i wokeup on the floor with people screaming at me to wake up.
Scary shit, but after doing research I took smaller doses, and ended up enjoying it in small amounts.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: RainyWA]
    #22175049 - 09/01/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If they were screaming at you to wake up, they sound like they had no knowledge of salvia beforehand. Salvia has such a low toxicity. Plus loading a whole bongful of extract is what causes people to have these bad experiences.

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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Achillita]
    #22175069 - 09/01/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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they sound like they had no knowledge of salvia beforehand



Pretty much.. He went off what the guy at the smoke shop told him & I volunteered to be the guinea pig lol :psychsplit:


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Achillita]
    #22175937 - 09/01/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Haha the old man shaking stick emoticon is funny as hell.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22176014 - 09/01/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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AdamE89 said:
Voodoochild, I enjoyed your post man. Gave me some insight into salvia. Has some common intense effects as Spice. Have you done spice?





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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22176104 - 09/01/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the chemicals in spice vary from pack to pack. some brands of spice are a lot
more intense even with relatively low doses, some you can pack the cone like it was
normal bud and get just a buzz..


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22176514 - 09/01/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know what is "K2" but in the country where I am originally from almost everyone is aware of Spice. I guess in majority of civilized countries this Spice thing is less dangerous, but in Russia a great number of people has died  directly through just smoking it, add those who jumped out of a window/other accidents while being "spiced".
Some morgue worker also was telling that they get like 3-4 people every day who died from Spice and often they brains looked kinda too liquid for a normal brain:shocked:
And not only some teenagers/those in the early 20s died from it, it killed several people in their 30s/40s with a successful career who just wanted to try it once! Some of them were told that it's weed. :facepalm3:
The thing is that the ones who produce this shit change the formula all the time to avoid getting caught, so you literally have no idea what to expect and what you are actually taking. A literal Russian Roulette.
The sad thing is that no one in the government talks about weed legalization which would eventually eliminate all those accidents and deaths, so it will continue. I believe even once it will be legal in all the civilized countries it still won't be in Russia :um:
Here's some video showing how some people 'react' on Spice:


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Naekro]
    #22176565 - 09/01/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a fucked up chemical and is one I really regret ever doing


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: RainyWA]
    #22176570 - 09/01/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Did you trip at all from spice, how much did u have? Because I only had two small hits and I blacked out in 20 seconds.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22176574 - 09/01/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Have u bad a experience with it?


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22176580 - 09/01/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Op
Please dont smoke this k2 garbage.
All those chems were fabricated and researched for the sake of research only, & are not intended for human consumption!

Synth noids are toxic garbage and can do irreversable damage on your mind & body.
You dont want twitchy muscles and neurological damage.

My point.... again,, please, no
TOXIC NASTY SHIT.
I really cant reiterate enough here....

Smoke real weed. its safe.

Salvia... smoke the salvia


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: AdamE89]
    #22176582 - 09/01/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I use to smoke bags of the crap until I found out how dangerous it was around my senior year in HS. Never touched it again

Don't ever fuck with that crap. It's just a toxic chemical they spray on some plant. The company's prey on the minds of uneducated children


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22176620 - 09/02/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I did it twice in the space of a week over 10 months ago and never again. Did not like it man. So don't worry I ain't going near it, I was just more curious as to which trip is more scary, as I haven't done salvia.


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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22177225 - 09/02/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Op
Please dont smoke this k2 garbage.
All those chems were fabricated and researched for the sake of research only, & are not intended for human consumption!

Synth noids are toxic garbage and can do irreversable damage on your mind & body.
You dont want twitchy muscles and neurological damage.

My point.... again,, please, no
TOXIC NASTY SHIT.
I really cant reiterate enough here....

Smoke real weed. its safe.

Salvia... smoke the salvia




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Re: Salvia v Spice (K2) experience [Re: Achillita]
    #22177301 - 09/02/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Achillita said:
Salvia is safe, and I've had amazing effects with salvia, just know your dose.

Voodoo had a bad experience because he smoked quite a bit of an extremely high extract. It'd be similar if he downed 20 grams of cubes. The intensity of salvia can be through the roof, but you just have to know your dose.

I suggest trying salvia, plain leaf is the best to get the salvia feel, most extracts are too strong and harsh. And it's SO much easier to take too much with extracts.

I love salvia, it's extremely safe on the body, and can be such a great teacher. Show salvia respect, and start low.

I have never done spice, and I don't plan to btw.




...True....I will maybe try plain leaf at some point...never extract....

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