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Is there a Soul?
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I'm not convinced there is such a thing as a soul. Is there any proof of such a thing? How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
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How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
It being a delusion of the mind doesn't negate its existence - that merely describes its nature. The soul is observed and therefore it exists. But of course many people, particularity in the US, use the soul as a concept that implies eternal life which mitigates their crippling death anxiety. There is no evidence at all that the soul is eternal and in my view there is plenty of evidence that the soul is mortal. Regardless, I still observe it to exist.
"Proof" is far too high of a bar to set for the existence of anything. But that is another topic...
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: DieCommie]
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If you're looking for proof, you'll never be convinced.
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Why is that?
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YOU are your fucking 'soul' you stupid motherfucker. Your body is the vehicle of your 'soul' which I call 'spirit'.
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You'll find out about it at some point.
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
Succinctly put DQ, that made me lol brother!
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The word soul is synonymous with lifeforce.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Space Elf]
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I got some life force bitch and I'll shove it right up your ayass
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
And if I don't? What if I find out there is no such thing? That people have been mistaking it for something else all this time? What if it's just some complex mechanic in the mind or biological?
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
And if I don't? What if I find out there is no such thing? That people have been mistaking it for something else all this time? What if it's just some complex mechanic in the mind or biological?
Thats a stupider thought than believing in it.
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Jesus man, it sounds like you're being deliberately obtuse. Going round in bloody circles again. Just please, get out of your thoughts for a bit. You'll find a lot of answers become apparent if you can just get past that incessant thought process. You really can't see that it's just that that is causing you your suffering can you?
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MajickMuffin said: I got some life force bitch and I'll shove it right up your ayass
That made me laugh.
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Thanatos10 said: I'm not convinced there is such a thing as a soul. Is there any proof of such a thing? How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
And if I don't? What if I find out there is no such thing? That people have been mistaking it for something else all this time? What if it's just some complex mechanic in the mind or biological?
What you might call "some complex mechanic in the mind" other people call the soul. Its just a case of I say potato, you say potauto, you see?
But its a hard question to answer because the word soul has been used to refer to different things over the centuries, so if we say yes there is a whole, which definition are we using?
I would say the spirit is eternal, but the soul not necessarily and there is a lot of confusion around this and the difference between them because sometimes people will say soul instead of spirit or vice versa.
But the simplest way to think about it is that YOU are soul. You are not some complex mechanic in the mind, because you are what is aware of the mind.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Deviate]
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We are just the mind though. There is no proof that there is such a thing as spirit or a soul. It could just be something we created to explain what science has so far been unable to.
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You have to experience the spirit to know it as 'proof'. We cannot show you your own spirit. You must find it. You cannot ask us to prove to you that we breath oxygen, we cannot prove that oxygen exists because we cannot see it. But it is there
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MajickMuffin said: You have to experience the spirit to know it as 'proof'. We cannot show you your own spirit. You must find it. You cannot ask us to prove to you that we breath oxygen, we cannot prove that oxygen exists because we cannot see it. But it is there
Experience is biased and there could be many different variables to explain so called "spirit". Saying to someone they must find it is a dodge to having to answer the question.
Also unlike spirit we can prove oxygen exists. That's like saying the wind doesn't exist.
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Thanatos10 said: We are just the mind though. There is no proof that there is such a thing as spirit or a soul. It could just be something we created to explain what science has so far been unable to.
No, if we were just the mind then we wouldn't be aware of the mind. We are that which is aware of the mind. You identify yourself with the mind, thats the problem. Spirituality is about breaking this identification. Once you do that, you will see the nature of soul.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Deviate]
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That's not true. I'm pretty sure the mind can be aware of itself. You still haven't proven that there is a soul.
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Thanatos10 said: That's not true. I'm pretty sure ...
Man you are a big 'ol bundle of contradictions. Do you not see what you did there?
Frankly, it's beginning to get a little boring. You're hanging around a place where many open minds gather, whilst being extremely closed minded yourself.
Why?
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Why would you ask this question only to deny every explanation or idea given to you
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I'm beginning to think it's for kicks. ~100 posts, nearly all of which are disagreements or non-committal responses.
It's probably just a case of bad mental health.
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Thanatos10 said: I'm not convinced there is such a thing as a soul. Is there any proof of such a thing? How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
Soul is English for Psyche. You do not have a Psyche, you ARE a Psyche. Wake Up. A Body (Soma) without Psyche is a corpse. Pneuma (Spirit) is a whole other order of reality, but if you haven't grokked Psyche, you're not near ready to discuss Pneuma.
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Because so far what I have heard is not proof. It's either belief and faith or just telling me that I have to "find it". I cannot act on belief or faith. They defy logic and reason.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Soul is English for Psyche. You do not have a Psyche, you ARE a Psyche. Wake Up. A Body (Soma) without Psyche is a corpse.
That sounds like pretty die hard proof to me. About the best you'll get IMO.
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Thanatos10 said: Because so far what I have heard is not proof. It's either belief and faith or just telling me that I have to "find it". I cannot act on belief or faith. They defy logic and reason.
Jesus fucking Christ. 
Take 7g of mushrooms and you'll fucking find out
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MajickMuffin said: Take 7g of mushrooms and you'll fucking find out
I suggested similar in another thread of Thanatos's.
Have you ever actually taken mushrooms Thanatos?
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No I have not. As for the bit about psyche, that proves nothing. A declaration is not proof. We have a mind yes and we have a body. But that doesn't mean there is a soul anywhere in there, regardless of what some word translates to.
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Thanatose your fucking retarded. Nobody is here trying to tell you what is the truth. We are all sharing our ideas, ways, beliefs, that we gained from personal experience. Were not going to sit here and argue about it with you.
Take our words, think about them, consider them, and say thank you. Is this some kind of weird game for you?
You asked a question, your getting answers. Don't fucking argue about the shit especially since you have absolutely no research or experience with spirituality or psychedelic a.
I hope you find your way. But humble yourself to people trying to give you our highest opinions gained from personal experience on your question.
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MajickMuffin said: You asked a question, your getting answers. Don't fucking argue about the shit especially since you have absolutely no research or experience with spirituality or psychedelic a.
Right on MM.
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I'm getting responses but not answers.
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The fact that it is based solely on experience and that experience varies between individuals doesn't make your claims anymore believable.
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Why do you want to know if the soul exists? If say... you found concrete proof that you had an eternal soul, would you actually apply that knowledge to your current life?
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Space Elf said: Why do you want to know if the soul exists? If say... you found concrete proof that you had an eternal soul, would you actually apply that knowledge to your current life?
Yes.
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"The One you are looking for is the One who is looking" St. Francis of Assisi
The soul exists, it is synonymous with reality itself. Just look within your own mind for a few moments, witness that internal experience, that which is not an object of the senses. That is the thing that really exists, it's the substratum that makes all experience possible. It is formless, ineffable and is beyond any conceiving of it.
To know oneself completely and to experience that self is the highest experience that we can attain. The material world of sense objects does not cause our being it is the other way around.\
Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.
Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty."
Do you understand what he is saying?
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You could replace al of that with mind and it would still make sense. All you are making are claims based in nothing. The mind is how we experience the world around us. That internal experience is also a product of the mind. As for not being conceived, that is the subconscious. It is a vast sea beneath our awareness that we don't understand. So it is not possible to know yourself because most of that information is lost to you. The material world exists with or without you, you are just another part of it.
Again these are all claims, nothing that makes me believe that I or anyone else has a soul.
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Id like to add in my little theory ive come up with....
I say theory because it is certainly not a belief, i will not limit myself to say i believe in any one thing.
Anyways. I imagine the "soul" in the sence of the essence of who you are that leaves your body when you die, could take form as the electrical energy that run through your body and fires through your brain that controls many things such as your heartbeat. So id call that electrical force a life force in some way. With it being an electrical force could it possibly transform in some way into another invisible force like a radio wave or vibration of sort that could travle through thin air or to go one step further expand as some sort of vibratory pulse and be part of all that encompasses the universe.
Sounds kinda like a crackpot theory and idk if all my terminology is correct but you get the jist of it.
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Your 'spirit' is an immortal entity. Your 'spirit' fragmented itself, took a piece of itself when it incarnated into a human body, this fragment of your 'whole spirit' is your 'soul'.
The purpose of fragmentation is, if your 'Whole spirit' were to incarnate into a human body you would have all of your memories, experience, skill from your entire existence, all of your past lives and experience in the spirit worlds.EDIT: Which would make coming to this world pointless. You would not be able to learn, have new experiences, etc..
The soul does not carry any memories from your 'Whole spirit', its a blank sheet of paper, which is why you are born without any previous memory.
We come to this world for a few reasons; To Experience, to learn, for entertainment.
When your body dies, your 'Soul' which you are currently experiencing, rejoins with your Whole spirit, and you go through a phase of 'self reflection'. Watching like a movie everything you have done in this life, everything you have changed, effected, harmed, everything you have overcome, learned, enjoyed.....
After that process, you are your Whole spirit once again, and it is your choice what to do next. You can do anything you want, meditate for 5000 years if you want, then come and incarnate again. Or come incarnate in 100 years, i dont give a fuck.EDIT: go explore the Universe, go meet other entities, find another planet other than Earth to incarnate on.
You Can meet with your 'Whole spirit' through high doses of psychedelics, it has happened to me only 1 time. Time no longer existed as my very existence rose out of my body into a place of pure light.
This pure light was me, it was my Whole spirit. It was my home, a place of pure thought, pure light, love, knowledge, PEACE. I was in this place for a 'timeless' amount of time, while I was there time did not exist. I just stayed in that place and thought about every single thing ive done so far in my life. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced. I was so fucking powerful too. An old Spirit. Not all spirits were created at the same time, some can be younger and others older with more experience. We are all Gods. We are all immortal. Our bodies are but only vehicles which allow us to operate in this strange world.
Also, there are spirit types; A human body can only be inhabited by a human spirit, a Dog body can only be inhabited by a dog spirit. Chicken body=chicken spirit. Spirit types are not equal, they are different and cannot change, you are what you are.
This is my beliefs, gained through personal experience. You dont have to believe them, or agree with them, but this is what ive picked up starting with research into this field, then delving myself into it and seeing it for myself.
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Thanatos10 said: Because so far what I have heard is not proof. It's either belief and faith or just telling me that I have to "find it". I cannot act on belief or faith. They defy logic and reason.
Obviously you did not read what I wrote, because it is clear you are just listening to your own thoughts, and are not paying attention. WAKE UP!
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Thanatos10 said: No I have not. As for the bit about psyche, that proves nothing. A declaration is not proof. We have a mind yes and we have a body. But that doesn't mean there is a soul anywhere in there, regardless of what some word translates to.
Here is a little help for what I wrote: MIND = PSYCHE = SOUL.
Look at your own words: "We have a mind yes and we have a body." The way you've written this indicates that the "we" is separate from, and a possessor of, a mind and a body. Your assumption is not well thought out, no wonder you are confused. You seem unable to drop your erroneous preconceptions and assume another perspective. You seem presently alienated from yourself, late adolescent identity crisis perhaps, still trying to 'find yourself' instead of simply being yourself. "We" are a psychosomatic whole, a mind-body, dualistically speaking. Together, mind & body are one 'soul' in the biblical definition. Greek philosophy had different divisions of soul (e.g., Plato's appetitive, emotional, rational soul), as does Jewish theology (nefesh, ruach, neshamah), but these divisions are just ways of speaking about lower and higher motives deriving from grosser or more subtle aspects of one's inner life.
If are looking for an aspect of human beinghood that transcends your 5 senses and your thinking-feeling mind (ego), THAT aspect is called by different names in different traditions: Spiritus/Pneuma/Ruach (in Latin/Greek/Hebrew respectively), Buddha Nature (Buddhism), Atman (Hinduism), Transcendental Ego (Phenomenological philosophy), etc. But if you don't have a sense of being in the ordinary sense, then the recommendations here to take a psychedelic trip is premature. You are not ready to have your identity disassembled because you have not yet assumed a stable sense of identity. One needs a strong and resilient ego in order to transcend that ego. An experience of ego-death to an unstable ego can result in a major psychiatric crisis. In such a case, the immolated Phoenix will not rise from its own ashes. If you can't listen, you can't learn. Become Daedalus, not Icarus.
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MajickMuffin said: You Can meet with your 'Whole spirit' through high doses of psychedelics, it has happened to me only 1 time. Time no longer existed as my very existence rose out of my body into a place of pure light.
What compound/dose did you use to achieve this MM? Sounds fascinating.
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MarkostheGnostic said: But if you don't have a sense of being in the ordinary sense, then the recommendations here to take a psychedelic trip is premature. You are not ready to have your identity disassembled because you have not yet assumed a stable sense of identity. One needs a strong and resilient ego in order to transcend that ego. An experience of ego-death to an unstable ego can result in a major psychiatric crisis. In such a case, the immolated Phoenix will not rise from its own ashes. If you can't listen, you can't learn. Become Daedalus, not Icarus.
Thanks for pointing this out Markos; I was a little dubious in suggesting it myself but could think of nothing else to suggest to the poor fellow (other than seeking therapeutic help).
Truth be told, I don't think anything is gonna help him until he decides to help himself by dropping his defences.
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Those are all nice stories but that's all they are, stories. They don't prove anything. Your entire explanation isn't different from what I have heard before in my life. But who says there is a purpose for why we are here? For what purpose is there for me to be life's pin cushion?
A trip is just a hallucination that people attach meaning to.
I have no defenses, I simply have nothing left inside of me.
I have tried spirituality of many different types before, but they all lead nowhere. I just played along to humor the people who tried to help me through them. In the end they only believes what they wanted to believe but the end result was the same, nothing.
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Thanatos10 said: A trip is just a hallucination that people attach meaning to.
I don't think you have any right to make judgements as to what others experience when they trip. How many times have you tripped in your life, and what on?
If none, then you're just being a moron by stating that.
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You might think so, but you are truly one of the most defensive people I have ever met.
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No doubt.
There are plenty of things that exist but cannot be proven. Oxygen is one good example. Another good example I think would be love. Sure you can see signs of it, hugging, kissing, holding hands...but you cannot actually see Love. Hope.
You hope to find all the answers to questions that cannot truly be answered or proven to actually exist. But you can't see hope either can you? You cannot see feelings, but they are there. Often times we feel things that are not there.
It is up to you to decide whether or not you have a soul Thanatos.
Do you have a conscience...maybe some intuition perhaps? Boom there is your inner self right there. Your soul.
Or is there a difference between the two?
You are the creator, now create something.
Or just become a Nihilist which it sounds like you already are, and go out like Nicholas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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There are plenty of things that exist but cannot be proven. Oxygen is one good example. Another good example I think would be love. Sure you can see signs of it, hugging, kissing, holding hands...but you cannot actually see Love. Hope.
You hope to find all the answers to questions that cannot truly be answered or proven to actually exist. But you can't see hope either can you? You cannot see feelings, but they are there. Often times we feel things that are not there.
It is up to you to decide whether or not you have a soul Thanatos.
Do you have a conscience? Boom there is your inner self right there.
You are the creator, now create something.
Or just become a Nihilist which it sounds like you already are, and go out like Nicholas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas.
I'm not a nihilist but I find it hard to argue against what they are saying. As for feelings, those are just chemical reactions in the brain. It's why depression does what it does. Oxygen can be proven as well.
As for a conscience, that's debatable and shaped by the prevailing morals at the time. Doesn't prove there is in fact an inner self or soul.
Intuition is also not proof that a soul exists, it could just be a function of the subconscious.
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How is having a conscience debatable or not?
Do you feel bad when you do bad things?
I want to help you Thanatos, but it seems like no matter what anyone says, it is not good enough.
Ultimately it is up to you man. Only you can help yourself.
Everyone is going to answer the same question in a different way.
There is no right or wrong answer.
What does the subconscious mind mean to you?
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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How is having a conscience debatable or not?
Do you feel bad when you do bad things?
I want to help you Thanatos, but it seems like no matter what anyone says, it is not good enough.
Ultimately it is up to you man. Only you can help yourself.
Everyone is going to answer the same question in a different way.
There is no right or wrong answer.
What does the subconscious mind mean to you?
Feeling bad is all dependent on what morals are currently in place. The same act could yield different results for two people depending on what they view as bad. That why I said it's debatable because it depends on the society and individual. There is no absolute moral code.
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Having a hallucination or alterations to your senses does not mean anything other than what people want it to. You take a drug, it has an effect on your chemistry and perception and people are convinced it's something supernatural.
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I would hope that you would at least have the decency to answer a simple question; How many times have you tripped in your life, and what on?
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I never have, nor do I have an interest in doing so. What's the point in asking that?
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Lol what is the point of you being here then?
No wonder you don't get it. Not to imply that you have to take drugs in order to get these concepts, but they certainly have played a huge part in my beliefs and spirituality.
If I were you though, keeping in mind I do not know you as my percieved opinions are entirely based on the content of which you post, I would never trip.
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I sought advice here about another matter.
What does experiencing an illusion have to do with getting any of this? It's not like it means anything.
So what if before when I dreamt I used to have that falling sensation and then essentially crashing awake so to speak, but now I no longer have those sensations. Also so what if I had dreams that told of future events that happened in my life and they came true (granted they all involved me doing something so it could just be the subconscious acting it out). What does that have to do with it.
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Thanatos10 said: I never have, nor do I have an interest in doing so. What's the point in asking that?
Because, my dear friend, it leaves you with absolutely zero authority to make such broad and sweeping statements as this:
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How much further do you want to besmirch your credibility here?
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How can you be sure that it's not an illusion when you are tripping?
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The point is. Tripping is not 'just hallucinations'.
You have no experience. You have no fucking clue.
Mushrooms enhance all of your senses, it is rare for me to actually have 'hallucinations' rather than altered/enhanced vision/perception.
You just have no fucking clue dude.
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Find out for yourself.
You apparently will not accept anyones answer to any of your questions no matter how much actual sense it makes.
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MajickMuffin said: Mushrooms enhance all of your senses, it is rare for me to actually have 'hallucinations' rather than altered/enhanced vision/perception.
This.
Thantos, you do realise that humans have been using psychedelic drugs to establish the 'meaning' you say you seek since time immemorial don't you? Please tell me you accept at least that much.
Then let's have a look at the etymology of the word:
The psychedelic is a concept the name of which is derived from the Ancient Greek words psychē ("soul") and dēloun ("to make visible, to reveal"), translating to "mind-revealing".
Kinda says it all really doesn't it! I'm sure you'll find some way to refute this though. I have to admit, I'm kinda looking forward to what that 'impenetrable to logic' mind of yours comes up with!!
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Im not
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LOL. You mean you don't enjoy repeatedly smashing your head into a brick wall???
Must just be me. Although I am kinda sore at this stage.
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LOL. You mean you don't enjoy repeatedly smashing your head into a brick wall???
Must just be me. Although I am kinda sore at this stage.
Absolutely not i mean this is just pathetic. Hes here denying every answer we give him, that comes from experience. Ive used mushrooms 60 fucking times and this guy is trying to say "Its just hallucinations"
While he has absolutely no psychedelic experience. Jesus fucking cock sucking Christ.
Thanatose im not trying to be an asshole but you must be able to see where im coming from?
'Hallucination'= an experience involving the apparent perception of something not present.
That almost NEVER happens to me on mushrooms. Just because Wikipedia says Mushrooms are a hallucinogen does not mean that you only 'hallucinate'
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Yeah and he's basically taken over two forums with this crap. It's played out, I wish this would end.
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Ignore the guy if it bothers you so much, or just filter out his posts with your mind.
I too find his ignorance to be somewhat mildly entertaining.
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How am I ignorant? So far I haven't seen anything to help me out with this philosophy that I haven't tried already.
How can you be sure that they enhance the senses and not distort them?
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They do both!
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Then let's have a look at the etymology of the word:
The psychedelic is a concept the name of which is derived from the Ancient Greek words psychē ("soul") and dēloun ("to make visible, to reveal"), translating to "mind-revealing".
What are your thoughts on this?
Tell me what WOULD help you out?
What was the question again?
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That doesn't make any sense
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How can you be sure that they enhance the senses and not distort them?
We can be sure because we have done them.
You have had some of the best answers in all of possibility given to you in this thread. If you cannot learn absolutely anything from it, then go be a Nihilist somewhere else 
EDIT: Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.
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He said earlier he was not a Nihilist.
Is that because you do not wish to label yourself Thanatos?
What are you and why doesn't any of this make sense?
Explain yourself.
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God dammit.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one getting frustrated. I'm having to try really hard to hold back at times.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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I just don't want it to be true.
You want cards on the table, fine. I have autism. It makes understanding things quite hard sometimes when they aren't concrete facts. Throughout my whole life I believed myself to be smart because I knew various facts about different things, mostly animals and nature. But when it came to more abstract things, and arguing your point, I was left defenseless. I was in an arena I had no idea to maneuver trying to make sense of everything to the best of my ability and failing. I take everything at face value and tend to get stuck on points of data that people say. It makes things like philosophy and spirituality very difficult.
It took me until now to realize I am just book smart, facts and figures can't help me out now. Every time something gray came up I cowered because of my inability to deal with it. People were arguing and sounding confident, but all I could do was parrot their replies. I had no idea what I was doing.
So each challenge: the morality of vegan, polyamory, conspiracy theories, sexual fluidity, spirituality. These things I has no idea how to deal with or even begin to. All my data was useless and for the first time I felt like a true idiot before the people talking on these things. All I could do was look up counter arguments to these things because I didn't know how to myself. Eventually this just devolved into disproving people in an attempt to be smart. I know that now.
Now I'm faced with not only conflicting opinions on spirituality but nihilism too, and I have nothing to defend myself with or to deal with this. I'm alone, scared, confused, and angry at how incapable I am at fathoming these things. I curse my brain for what it does without me knowing. I knew facts, I knew nature, and that was enough as a kid. But now I.......I just can't deal with this. I don't know how. For the first time I feel truly lost. A ship without a compass or map. I don't know how or what to do at all. I'm a child trying to think as grownups do.
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Well, you seem like a very intelligent person to me, and the fact that you are willing to share that with everyone tells me that you mean well. I thought you were just being ignorant and negative, but you have proven me wrong and I sincerely apologize.
As far as I know I am not Autistic, but I really can relate to a lot of the things you are feeling. You are not alone. It seems as though you have no choice but to wait for the answers you are seeking and find them on your own in your own way. Don't force it and try not to dwell.
Do you have friends or a strong support system in your life that maybe can help you in a more direct way?
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I understand it may be very frustrating for you to understand all of these notions that you've never encountered before, and are not familiar with. It is also frustrating for us that none of it is getting through to you. So, I dunno, it kind of seems like some sort of stalemate at the moment.
It is clear that you are either truly in a private hell, or at least perceive yourself to be. All I can say is that you are the only person who can surmount that. No one else can do it for you. I hope you choose to continue living, for your sake. You've got to find something, some way to shake yourself loose of the rut you are in. A major change. Who knows what such a thing could lead to.
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IS THAT IT!?!?!?!?!
They're your cards! Fuck me sideways, you got it nowhere near as bad as I thought you might have.
I recently got diagnosed with an ASD; Aspergers. Welcome to the fucking club man. I've spent the last 15-20 years offending people and causing all kind of shit in my life and never knowing or understanding why I did it. Seriously. I fucked up in so many ways that are all so explainable now I have a diagnosis. For me it was a FUCKING HUGE relief to find out there was a reason for it all. Suddenly I could look back on my life and realise I wasn't just being a cunt; all of those times I had reason!
You think you got it bad? I had to talk my severely depressed & suicidal wife (who is the love of my life) down from throwing herself off a rooftop a month ago and I've stopped several suicide attempts since. She's an alcoholic and is a shell of the woman I married. Coupled with that she then got so fucked one night afterwards she fucked her friend. Now she's in rehab, I'm all alone and I'm left picking up the fucking pieces of my shattered life.
You think you're alone in this shit? You think you got it so bad? You think I haven't gone through the fucking sheer misery at times that you're going through??!?! It's fucking insulting. Yeah, I wanna fucking make it all go away too at times, but when I do I carry myself to my hiding place and lick my wounds until I'm ready to face the world again. I don't go out being a self fulfilling twat by asking my friends advice only to then throw it back in their faces.
Appreciate what the fuck you have and stop wasting everybody's fucking time. Which is exactly what you're doing. Fuck off and sort yourself out.
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I've been wanting to say that for like four days.
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I've been wanting to say like for like four days.
That's the funniest thing I've read all year. I fucking LOL'd hard at that man. Thank you DQ, you've given me a good few laughs of late. I appreciate you man.
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Nah man stay cool Thanatos.
We all live in our own private hells.
Pretty sure 1 in 5 people have Aperger's Syndrome so there is no shame in that.
And just because you have a condition doesn't give you the right to treat people like shit jokeshopbeard. I am bipolar. Does that mean it's okay for me to act like the crazy manic human being that I can be?
No.
No it does not.
But if a diagnosis helps you sleep at night then good for you 
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You got it all wrong brother. I wouldn't so much as harm a fly these days. The central tenet of my existence is to strive towards being as kind and compassionate towards every human as I can. I am in no way condoning shit behavior - you've seen me pointing out the OP's and I am very hard on myself about my own.
However, you don't know what it was like growing up as me. The things I did because of my extreme lack of empathy. The people I hurt. I didn't know I was doing it until after the event. I had to learn painfully from each one. That still happens now sometimes, but nowhere near to the same degree it did before I was diagnosed. Being diagnosed made sense of my fucked up life before hand. Now I recognize it and can use my skills and weaknesses because I am aware of them. I can be a better human because of this knowledge.
Do you see what I mean now?
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I do, and I apologize if it seemed like I just jumped your shit for no reason.
I have only been on these boards for two days so I should probably get a chance to get to know posters before making assumptions.
I too hurt a lot of people in the past, though it was not for lack of empathy, it was out of pure selfishness, which is similar to lacking empathy now that I think about it. I knew what I was doing, knew that it was wrong, knew that I would regret it later, but did it anyway. Again and again and again.
This was years ago, and like you, I am really trying to make up for it by helping people and doing the best I can to understand other people's struggles. Maybe by helping other people I can help myself. Nothing else seems to work.
They say you have to help yourself first before you can help other people. I don't know about all that. Anyway I see where you are coming from and feel you 100%.
Nobody is alone, we are all in this together.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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It's cool man, thank you for saying so. I think that the 'help yourself first before you can help other people' thing rings pretty true based on my experience; the more I work on myself (I started therapy a couple of months back which has been aaaaamazing) and the more I understand all my human foibles, and the more I connect with my spiritual self, the better placed I am to be kinder to other people IME. It's been fucking night and day the past 5-10 years of my life.
All I've ever wanted to do deep down was help people, and the more self work I do the more that becomes something I'm actually capable of doing.
Anyways man, welcome onboard. I think you've found a nice refuge from the shit here.
Peace brother.
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my view point as well as i can explain
The body is a vehicle, a biologically grown mechanical device that exists as the best configuration so far discovered by evolution for perceiving, receiving, and interacting with the physical world using the senses.
The mind is the biological computer which manages this data and organizes it. It sorts the different wavelengths of energy and vibration and chemicals and so on taken i by our senses and converts those inputs into a thought/sensation/memory or whatever the pertinent thing is.
The soul(interchangeable term with spirit, life force, consciousness, mana, chi, energetic light body, ego, psyche and on and on according to your religion/culture)in part is the voice that tells your brain to think about this or that. To focus on this or that. The non-physical (at least undetectable by current technology/methods) part of you that chooses to wake up and get out of bed or to lay there all day. This I believe is not so much a singular "thing" that belongs intrinsically to "you" but is more of a hub that energy passes through, in and around your physical body. Likened to the electricity running through a piece of electronics the electricity is not a part of the electronics. This computer is a computer whether it is plugged in and on or not. The electrical current passing through it and concentrating in well designed important areas and array's is what makes all the difference.
I believe our body acts like an antennae or for this energy to flow through so that this body and mind will function, otherwise you are dead. Different things we do with our mind and body (yoga, meditation, psychedelics, altruism, depression, shame, care, and so on) change the configuration of the antennae and therefore change the souls interaction with the mind and body in return. Things like yoga, meditation, love, and care can seemingly increase or at least uninhibit the flow of this energy. While inversely things like shame, depresion, toxic food, toxic sustances, overindulgence, can inhibit the flow. The resulting flow rate fluctuations can then lead to a supportive or destructive influence on the body and mind.
I think that sounds at least somewhat laid out easily enough to understand.
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Jokeshopbeard said: IS THAT IT!?!?!?!?!
They're your cards! Fuck me sideways, you got it nowhere near as bad as I thought you might have.
I recently got diagnosed with an ASD; Aspergers. Welcome to the fucking club man. I've spent the last 15-20 years offending people and causing all kind of shit in my life and never knowing or understanding why I did it. Seriously. I fucked up in so many ways that are all so explainable now I have a diagnosis. For me it was a FUCKING HUGE relief to find out there was a reason for it all. Suddenly I could look back on my life and realise I wasn't just being a cunt; all of those times I had reason!
You think you got it bad? I had to talk my severely depressed & suicidal wife (who is the love of my life) down from throwing herself off a rooftop a month ago and I've stopped several suicide attempts since. She's an alcoholic and is a shell of the woman I married. Coupled with that she then got so fucked one night afterwards she fucked her friend. Now she's in rehab, I'm all alone and I'm left picking up the fucking pieces of my shattered life.
You think you're alone in this shit? You think you got it so bad? You think I haven't gone through the fucking sheer misery at times that you're going through??!?! It's fucking insulting. Yeah, I wanna fucking make it all go away too at times, but when I do I carry myself to my hiding place and lick my wounds until I'm ready to face the world again. I don't go out being a self fulfilling twat by asking my friends advice only to then throw it back in their faces.
Appreciate what the fuck you have and stop wasting everybody's fucking time. Which is exactly what you're doing. Fuck off and sort yourself out.
There is much more to it than that, but I really don't want to talk about it. Even now everything is just flooding back.
But if you want to try growing up, I could site my mother. First off she was an alcoholic and frequent smoker. GRowing up I never saw the booze around but I was aware of the cigarettes she kept around. I remember having to throw them out all the time, because I did not want to lose my mother to smoking. I guess that was a wake up call because she got clean and joined AA.
I should have been glad, but one thing did not change until recently. Her massive anger problems. GRowing up I learned to fear my mother. Any time I messed up even a little I got the beating of a lifetime. I remember my lip split one time, she told me to tell people I "fell". I feared making mistakes because I knew the end result. I remember begging my teacher to let me retake a test so that I would not go home with a bad grade. Of course that prompted a call from the school and my teacher asking me why. Followed by another beating. SOmetimes she got so mad I was afraid she would kill me, but she would just throw objects in my direction. The fear never went away.
PArents aren't supposed to make their kids live in fear like that right?
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I think if I was a mind, my mind would work. I would be a happy Christian with a job, wife and children. If there was a phone call to make I would make it. Things that needed to be done would get done. Money would be manged responsibly. If there were people near me I would talk to them. If there was an opportunity I would take it. I would listen to pop music, read news papers and not question anything. My soul is that which messes everything up, it has a set purpose and I can't quite get what that purpose is, so I suffer. The pain, emptiness, disappointment and aimlessness is all on my soul. Soul is the mystery in life.
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Thanatos10 said: PArents aren't supposed to make their kids live in fear like that right?
Not at all. But I know some really amazing and well rounded people who've had all that and worse. I got beat myself a lot.
It's no excuse for you to be carrying on like this.
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Thanatos10 said: PArents aren't supposed to make their kids live in fear like that right?
Not at all. But I know some really amazing and well rounded people who've had all that and worse. I got beat myself a lot.
It's no excuse for you to be carrying on like this.
Like I said, I don't want to get into the rest of it. That's just my mother. There's also my entire schooling experience and several of my family members who have to deal with cancer, and those friends who didn't make it through it.
There is more, so much more.
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I think if I was a mind, my mind would work. I would be a happy Christian with a job, wife and children. If there was a phone call to make I would make it. Things that needed to be done would get done. Money would be manged responsibly. If there were people near me I would talk to them. If there was an opportunity I would take it. I would listen to pop music, read news papers and not question anything. My soul is that which messes everything up, it has a set purpose and I can't quite get what that purpose is, so I suffer. The pain, emptiness, disappointment and aimlessness is all on my soul. Soul is the mystery in life.
What that mystery is just life itself and not the soul. What do all the things you mentioned above have to do with mind? How can you be sure it has a set purpose if it does exist?
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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As far as I know I am not Autistic, but I really can relate to a lot of the things you are feeling. You are not alone. It seems as though you have no choice but to wait for the answers you are seeking and find them on your own in your own way. Don't force it and try not to dwell.
Do you have friends or a strong support system in your life that maybe can help you in a more direct way?
It's hard not to dwell on it when every time I try to move away from it it haunts me.
I just place my faith in science because it's something I can understand, that I can see and measure. It makes sense to me. But i find it hard to believe in things that it argues against, like the existence of a soul and other things. I don't know who to trust in these matters, science or other people.
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Thanatos10 said: There is more, so much more.
Oh woe is me. It's really starting to piss me off that you seem to think that you have it so much worse that everyone else. Here's some news for you: YOU DON'T.
We all have to deal with heaps and heaps of shit in our lives. The difference in outlooks between you and everyone else that has posted in your increasingly annoying threads is that everyone else seems to have worked FUCKING HARD to address their shit and suffering, rather than just whining incessantly about it and taking ZERO FUCKING ACTION.
No matter how bad you have it, there's millions that have it worse than you. WAKE UP. Oh, so you're autistic? How about being glad you're high functioning? Ever met someone with autism that has no language development and can't even look after themselves? I have, and it's a situation that is hundreds of times more shit than yours.
Oh so you had a shit childhood? Yeah, so did everyone else I've ever met. There's literally nothing that you can say that's happened to you that justifies your behaviour.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; fuck off and sort yourself out.
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I have met people like that in the past. It was heartbreaking to see that, and to know I could have ended up just like that.
As for my problems, I have tried pretty much everything listed in the past. I have tried writing things out, reading, exercise, not thinking about it, even trying to change my outlook on things. I have tried all those things in the past and nothing worked. It's hard to address your problems when you can't even indentify the source or reason behind them. Everyone else may have problems but at least they know what is causing them. I don't. I keep repeating the same things without even knowing why I do it. I don't even know how to figure that out.
The ONLY thing that keeps me from going crazy has been insects. My love for the smallest and most fascinating creatures dulls everything else. We have a place called butterfly world where I live, and it has been a Paradise for me. When I'm around insects I forget everything else, even who I am. All there is are the fascinating things before me.
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Trust science, but know that there are things in the world that do exist that cannot be explained by science.
Why do we really yawn and why is it seemingly contagious? Why is the placebo effect so effective? Why are nine out of ten people born right-handed? How did a hurricane the size of continent occur on the planet Saturn, a planet that has no oceans? How do birds migrate to the same place every year without GPS, compass, or a map? Gravity? Evolution? Stephen Hawking still being alive is saying a big "fuck you" to science. Miracles?
See what I mean?
You like bugs?
Well there is your passion and reason to live right there. Go to school and get a degree in entomology.
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Thanatos10 said: Everyone else may have problems but at least they know what is causing them.
No mate, they don't. Stop thinking you're so different from the rest of us. You're not. Wake up. This is just your foolish mind at work telling you that. The only difference is those that learn to transcend their suffering endured:
To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures. --Friedrich Nietzsche
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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cosmicg said: Trust science, but know that there are things in the world that do exist that cannot be explained by science.
Why do we really yawn and why is it seemingly contagious? Why is the placebo effect so effective? Why are nine out of ten people born right-handed? How did a hurricane the size of continent occur on the planet Saturn, a planet that has no oceans? How do birds migrate to the same place every year without GPS, compass, or a map? Gravity? Evolution? Stephen Hawking still being alive is saying a big "fuck you" to science. Miracles?
See what I mean?
I see your point. But it's just hard for me to see things in more than one way. That rigid thinking is part of autism. Thing is I don't know the difference between being rigid and defending your opinion. It's hard to be scientific and spiritual at the same time, at least for me.
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Tyler Durden: Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
-Fight Club
You are into bugs and that is your passion? Awesome. Sounds like you already know your niche and what you like. That feeling you described of losing yourself and completely forgetting your troubles and who you are and whatnot. That is you tapping into your inner self.
Go to school and study Entomology.
We all need a purpose.
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No mate, they don't. Stop thinking you're so different from the rest of us. You're not. Wake up. This is just your foolish mind at work telling you that. The only difference is those that learn to transcend their suffering endured:
To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures. --Friedrich Nietzsche
I don't think I'm that different. But it's just APPEARS to me like everyone else has it together and knows the root of their problems. I've been through the agony, the torment, the pain. Despite death being so tempting again and again, for some reason I remain. I have no idea why but I remain. I can honestly say what it feels like to go completely out of your gourd. Yet despite all the mental crisis in the past, for some reason I remain.
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same here 
It's the human condition man. People may seem like they know what is really going on, like they have it all figured out, but they don't.
Humans have a knack for wanting to stay alive.
That is a survival instinct.
Things appear the way they do because you allow them to.
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Succinctly put cosmicg.
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A trip is just a hallucination that people attach meaning to.
Clearly you are as uninformed as you are inexperienced. Given your current status, based entirely on your statements, psychedelic will probably be deleterious for you, not instructive. If you cannot take verbal instruction from Shroomerites on this forum pulling their punches, a psychedelic will be a very stern teacher and you will NOT be able to handle the teaching. Oh, you "tried spirituality?" You haven't done anything, of that I am confident. The use of the word 'try,' always implies a wide margin for failure. In the spirit of Yoda, 'do or don't do in these matters. There is no try.' You have no resolve, or you're just trolling here. Spirituality is not about belief, it is about a lifestyle founded on certain values. Beliefs are merely thoughts. They come and go like all thoughts. Values are abiding properties of a personality. One does not value non-violence today and violence tomorrow. Values are like the superstructure of a building, thoughts are like pieces of furniture that can be moved in or around, or thrown out.
Spirit is an archaic word for what we now call Consciousness or Awareness. So all you've communicated in that sentence is that you 'tried to be conscious or aware.' Sorry that you failed. That means you're doomed to muck about in semi-conscious states, making all kinds of blunders, becoming potentially accident-prone, and manifesting body language and micro-expressions that will creep people out and maybe get you assaulted for reasons you'll never understand. In failing to increase your awareness about yourself, mishaps will occur and your recourse will be to blame everybody and everything rather than take responsibility for them because tou won't be conscious of the fact that you're the author of them!
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I was completely rational and scientifically/positivistically-minded about it all and thought life was just an 'alright' sort of mistake until I started having spontaneous out of body experiences during the night. I am convinced of other bodies, other realities or levels of reality now. The physical body is not who you are, you inhabit it. How do I know the OBEs weren't products of the mind? Well I would say I've learnt to trust my experience, but you don't even need to learn that to see the sheer otherworldliness of these experiences. They are a complete slap in the face to common sense.
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The only thing I can recall is every time I was dreaming I remember there were times when I could really feel things going on in them. Some times I was "yanked" awake in a sort of falling sensation. It was like crashing back into my body. I have no idea why that happens but it has stopped happening recently. I'm not sure what that means really.
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Clearly you are as uninformed as you are inexperienced. Given your current status, based entirely on your statements, psychedelic will probably be deleterious for you, not instructive. If you cannot take verbal instruction from Shroomerites on this forum pulling their punches, a psychedelic will be a very stern teacher and you will NOT be able to handle the teaching. Oh, you "tried spirituality?" You haven't done anything, of that I am confident. The use of the word 'try,' always implies a wide margin for failure. In the spirit of Yoda, 'do or don't do in these matters. There is no try.' You have no resolve, or you're just trolling here. Spirituality is not about belief, it is about a lifestyle founded on certain values. Beliefs are merely thoughts. They come and go like all thoughts. Values are abiding properties of a personality. One does not value non-violence today and violence tomorrow. Values are like the superstructure of a building, thoughts are like pieces of furniture that can be moved in or around, or thrown out.
Spirit is an archaic word for what we now call Consciousness or Awareness. So all you've communicated in that sentence is that you 'tried to be conscious or aware.' Sorry that you failed. That means you're doomed to muck about in semi-conscious states, making all kinds of blunders, becoming potentially accident-prone, and manifesting body language and micro-expressions that will creep people out and maybe get you assaulted for reasons you'll never understand. In failing to increase your awareness about yourself, mishaps will occur and your recourse will be to blame everybody and everything rather than take responsibility for them because tou won't be conscious of the fact that you're the author of them!
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I'm afraid I don't understand the second paragraph
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I'm afraid I don't understand the second paragraph
Indubitably. Failing to choose to become more conscious means being subject to pre-personal, unconscious dynamics instead of increasingly more conscious and freely-willed choices. The more that one's behaviors are colored by unconscious factors, the more determined by the unconscious one's life becomes. The more conscious one becomes, the less hold unconscious determinants have on us and the greater our existential freedom to choose becomes. But also, the greater the personal freedom, the greater one's personal responsibility becomes. Blaming others and having a defeatist attitude veritably screams failure to take spiritual responsibility - to endeavor to awaken and to act responsibly as a direct corollary and consequence of that freedom.
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And how does one begin to do such a thing.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: mwhtmn]
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Well to tell a story..I was on Ayhuasca and i went directly into my soul..
At first it was like a perfect disc..resembling the sun(yoke) the color of orange and yellow..which is a mixture of light and matter...
and i realized that i am the Creator..and that i am in perfect peace.
It was pure consciousness..and then even the concept of space and time disapeared...I was perfectly in this present moment..there was no discociation and no other worldliness.
But i soon had a memory of a past life..as Alexander the Great..it was illuminated by the color pink...
I think the principles of the soul..is what Reiki is founded on..
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Your disparaging attitude towards spirituality is similar to all those people who got beat up by ignorant religious parents, nuns, etc., and end up throwing baby Jesus out with the bathwater. What they ought to have done is throw out all the dogmas and doctrines they were taught, forget everything they were taught, and ask what the deeper meaning is beneath the archaic mythic language.
Since 1945 a whole formerly unknown world of spiritual teaching was unearthed from a desert cave at the Egyptian city of Nag Hammadi which shows how many different Christianities there were at the beginning. The Roman Catholic Church, fascist from its inception, thought it had destroyed all the copies of the teachings that threatened the power structure of the priesthood, but the treasure of the Nag Hammadi library can change people's lives. But no. Most people would rather rant against Christianity, for example, because they had their knuckles rapped with a ruler by a frustrated nun when they were in parochial school.
You're asking how one begins to awaken? I cited a major find in the history of religion above, and one which has had a powerful influence on my adult life. But I explored methods from the East, beginning with a serious pursuit of classic Ashtanga Yoga for several years that cleaned me out and strengthened my resolve to awaken. Who wants to say no to their plastic and toxic society? Who wants to give up socializing if one is expected to actually eat at a McDonald's with their friends, or not indulge in drugs that don'r serve awakening, or completely refuse to lie or to use people? Awakening is about getting honest with oneself so that one can be honest with everyone else, among other things, and it requires a discipline. The seeking is not so much for God, it is for a discipline through which God is encountered.
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My apologies really, but you had me untill that last paragraph.
I'm pretty much what people would call a neophyte at this, I just do not understand where to begin.
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MarkostheGnostic said: A trip is just a hallucination that people attach meaning to.
Clearly you are as uninformed as you are inexperienced... You tried to be conscious or aware.' Sorry that you failed. That means you're doomed to muck about in semi-conscious states, making all kinds of blunders, becoming potentially accident-prone, and manifesting body language and micro-expressions that will creep people out and maybe get you assaulted for reasons you'll never understand. In failing to increase your awareness about yourself, mishaps will occur and your recourse will be to blame everybody and everything rather than take responsibility for them because tou won't be conscious of the fact that you're the author of them!
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Sorry, I don't see how telling some kid that admits to aspergers that he is "doomed" to creep people out and be assaulted because he doesn't understand is helpful. Frankly, that's a pretty silly thing to say to somebody.
"Awakening" isn't an immediate process. Everybody starts there, even people who are eventually considered by others to be highly awake people. Everybody is born under the veil and everybody has a right to seek after what they are looking for. It's not OK to disparage him or project onto him for not understanding yet.
Thanatos, please do your own searching. If you ask for spoonfed answers without broadening your own understanding you are going to attract misleading things or misunderstand people when they say the right things.
Google is a great place to start or your local library. Wikipedia can be a great place to start. Every question you have, the answer is available on the internet or on a cheap amazon used book. If it is important for you to understand, take a little initiative and avoid the attitude of wanting others to solve it for you.
Try directing your questions about extrasensory perception and the nature of spirituality to a search engine or to youtube and see what sort of information you are presented with. Then make your own discernment over time. Apply your skepticism to everything you read but be open minded enough to consider different perspectives.
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If you haven't noticed, a lot of people here cite the psychedelic experience as being a significant catalyst in their ability to understand things. You may want to do a little research on that too and decide if you can handle that sort of experience. It is the "fast track" in many ways but it's not for everybody.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: saenchai]
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I missed the admission to Asperger's so HE has my apology and YOU have my appreciation for pointing out my faux pax. Asperger's notwithstanding, there is still a very negative attitude which begs the question of Asperger's. I haven't evaluated him myself, and I see mis-diagnoses all the time. Flattened affect and unpolished social skills can be the result of schizophrenia, schizotypal, or schizophreniform disorders. I do not know this person and all I have is a third-hand disclosure from you which came from him, which ostensibly came from his diagnostician. I am appealing to his inquiring intellect, which appears to be lucid (no-psychotic). However, I DO as I said appreciate your concern and I regret having missed that disclosure regardless of how accurate.
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Thanatos10 said: My apologies really, but you had me untill that last paragraph.
I'm pretty much what people would call a neophyte at this, I just do not understand where to begin.
Please do not apologize. I was not addressing your positive 'spirit' of inquiry, which I applaud but rather a negative tone which struck me more as an emotional evaluation (which seems at loggerheads with a diagnosis of Asperger's), than an intellectual evaluation. One need not 'believe' any affirmation about Ultimate Reality (God) and one can still set about 'polishing the lenses of the mind' to see what one can see. Personally, I would start work with the body. My own path began with Hatha Yoga asanas (positions), but Hatha Yoga, while focusing on the 84 basic asanas, still includes the classic 8 rungs of Yoga outlined by Patanjali (and referred to as Ashtanga or Raja Yoga in the literature): Yamas, Niyamas, Asanas, Pranayamas, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana, Samadhi.
You need not be concerned by the alien terms. The Yoga is a systematic movement from physical to mental to supramental processes via breath. Breathing is the link between body and mind. Here is a fairly comprehensive link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga_Sutras_of_Patanjali If you have an opportunity to receive even a few lessons from a teacher of Hatha Yoga, by all means do so. Going into and coming out of the postures, dos and dont's are best taught in person. However I Highly recommend THIS book in hard-cover if possible (cloth-bound and durable, I've had mine for decades): http://www.amazon.com/complete-illustrated-yoga-Introd-Marcus/dp/B0032EW6A8/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1441390995&sr=1-2&keywords=the+complete+illustrated+book+of+yoga
I hope this helps.
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another good place to start in my opinion is youtube. there are now so many videos on spiritually, as well as audio editions of ancient sacred texts, available for free on youtube. just keep exploring until you find something that resonates with you.
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We're all pretty concrete-minded when we begin a spiritual journey, so beginning with the body is logical because beginning with the mind's intellect just opens up an enormous number of confusing possibilities. Shopping for a path based on intellectual curiosity will tend to result in the selection some of the most unusual phenomena ("spiritual materialism"). For example, if someone happens upon one of the Tibetan Buddhist yogas of form, say the Yoga of the Inner Fire (gtummo), and one thinks they can self-teach themselves to heat themselves to the point of melting snow (I've watched a YouTube video where this was demonstrated, but I remain a bit incredulous), they may waste valuable time thereby discouraging themselves, or actually do some harm without guidance. Moreover, this and other psychophysical feats doesn't mean that one has developed spiritually in the least, just psychically. It is important to discern the psychic from the spiritual. These differences in one;s inner life become more obvious after one has begun to 'iron out' their nervous system from the gross to the subtle.
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I've started with mediation for a week so far. People have told me it's a good place to start and I find the stillness really speaks to me.
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Thanatos10 said: I've started with mediation for a week so far. People have told me it's a good place to start and I find the stillness really speaks to me.
Good for you! Hatha Yoga helps the body to sit correctly and painlessly during meditation. Be sure to sit with your knees lower than your hip joints! http://aromeditation.org/pictures/
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Thanatos10 said: I've started with mediation for a week so far. People have told me it's a good place to start and I find the stillness really speaks to me.
That's amazing man, I'm so glad to hear that. It took me a few years practice to really start to see the benefits, but when I finally cracked it... wow.
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I wonder is the 23 Grams thing is true..that when a Person dies..they lose about 23 ounces..or whatever..That might be a type of material..but it might not be in space or time at all..it is indeed beyond space and time..but it is definately a fabric..and saying that it is consciousness is totally true as well.
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Another urban legend. Psyche doesn't have mass. Of course, if you have bladder and bowel release, that counts for mass. BTW, it was closer to 2 ounces, but it is still a hoax.
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Interesting Question..what is the nature of the fabric or material of Consciousness...?
I have formed a long and hard endured opinion about this..I used to be a Materialist..and an Atheist..and then a Girl came along and I changed into a New Ag(egg)er, but i wasnt getting caught up in the phobias..of other people..or the need to write about witnessing a Murder..and therefore securing the Deal..that the Apocalypse would happen..and I would Fall..Down 200 Steps..from Denezin of Heaven..to the Barren Abysss of Tartaros(Mevin)(Hell)..or the Ratio is plane to say that the ratio is plane..and the nuance is a game of the governors, which into saying that i have a referenderary plan, can I commit the honest act of Sin or Treason without a feather on my belt...All Hail Mother Russia..she takes Great care and we are witnesses...to a here coming faction of War..she is a Noble but Incestriustly Bred Beast...but she is also kind and compassionate..and the news is inside the CIA Factor on Television but the news is at hand..and all the Jewels are Secure in Fort Knox..Which carries an Ingot of Gold..for every Boy and Girl in America..this is the redistribution of Wealth that all societies want..and to stay at this course, is on forte..or to say Et.. Tu, to you..and do your other..
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Teaching is an Anomyly of the functioning of time..that we need another person to show us what to do..Is Indeed a holy exchange of ideas and rites...necessarily..And the needs are of the Rites of the Freemasons...they are very particular about those that they rape..because they want others who have had shellshock feel the same type of thing for the others in the Brethren of community, nature itself is a noble beast but noone looks to homosexuality unless they have been rejected by a Girl..this is true in all senses..and the 9 is a great Grace to have a plan in proportion to your own soul..which is likely pure and just..the meanings are that only one holy man can reach the same scale as anyone else..this everyman as we will now be refering to is an articulate God..of the nature of the Republic which in staff and consumerism is locked in a Mason Idol or IDeal..which says that everything essentially is made of ±(we could probably say anything at this moment and this is a great revelation for philosophy and Physics) but if we Forward the Gryphon or the Antameter..or the Snowhawk..or the Bird of eagle..all things are bonded by the same kind of mechanisms..the Bird of Prey is a Nice dance to the left..and the neat and tidy display of mercy on the right is of course a cabbalistic Consideration of the things to come(time..)the means are on the end of the line..and noone will ever speak to you about this anymore..the reason is that noone could get what he wants..and therein arises the fruit... which necessarily exists because of the need and the fulfilment from infinity out into the material world to produce something like this is insane in chemistry..and the nuance of the Grid or Grail is a softoven or furnace of the desire for sesame smoked bacon wrapped scallops..and this is the Mayvin or Mevin of the Authority..that we need a degree of lack first...then and only then can we recognize that which we lack or dont have..and then nature or Mother Nature/Adam..maybe Even God..could consider that with the weights and balances holding over to the left..maybe if we filled up that lack a bit..and put something in its place..we would all be tandy..on a handwritten computer..to the note..and the T..and the Tao..all things are Simile.
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Some people can't see the forest from the trees. Thats okay though, in time the soul in which you are will reveal itself to itself, yourself. Ya dig? Eat a quarter of shrooms, smoke some erb, meditate, truly open your heart and illuminate your darkness and uncover the tremendously wonderful soul that you are. Walk around in circles, asking yourself. Who am I, How did I get here, Where Am I, I am That I am. Do this in a forest after a quarter ounce of shrooms. Pray to some idea of God that you may or may not believe in. Get naked. dance. Shit yourself. Slap your naked wet body and remind yourself your alive DAMNIT! Scream out over a lake. Drum hard on a Jambe. Enter ecstatic trance and rediscover "The Soul" in which you are! Rediscover the flowing stream of lifeforce all around you in all things. Awaken my SoulBrother. Be at peace. One Love, Mak'Tub <3
P.S My last name is actually Soul. Legit. I shit you not.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Soulsy11]
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Well, purge. But try not to actually shit in your pants. I was getting a little ahead of myself writing that last post after the coffee I just drank. That caffeine, ya know.....gets me going.
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We are Life. We are the Soul. This body is temporary, but the electrical currents in our brains & other mysterious energies are putting Life into these meat costumes. There's something behind this body. If we call it a Soul, sure. No doubt here.
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i'm not sure if there is or not, i don't see any way to be surely certain there is. i've asked people before and all i've heard is stuff like 'light' 'love' 'infinity' or a 'you'll know it when you see it ' but none of those actually say anything. i've wondered how i'd even be sure i was right in calling something the soul if i thought i saw it, cause i wouldn't know what to compare it against, can't be like "ah yeah, this feels just like all those others souls i've felt, this must be my soul". it's a no idea thing for me lol
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