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MajickMuffin said: Mushrooms enhance all of your senses, it is rare for me to actually have 'hallucinations' rather than altered/enhanced vision/perception.
This.
Thantos, you do realise that humans have been using psychedelic drugs to establish the 'meaning' you say you seek since time immemorial don't you? Please tell me you accept at least that much.
Then let's have a look at the etymology of the word:
The psychedelic is a concept the name of which is derived from the Ancient Greek words psychē ("soul") and dēloun ("to make visible, to reveal"), translating to "mind-revealing".
Kinda says it all really doesn't it! I'm sure you'll find some way to refute this though. I have to admit, I'm kinda looking forward to what that 'impenetrable to logic' mind of yours comes up with!!
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Jokeshopbeard said: I'm kinda looking forward to what that 'impenetrable to logic' mind of yours comes up with!!
Im not
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MajickMuffin said: Im not 
LOL. You mean you don't enjoy repeatedly smashing your head into a brick wall???
Must just be me. Although I am kinda sore at this stage.
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MajickMuffin said: Im not 
LOL. You mean you don't enjoy repeatedly smashing your head into a brick wall???
Must just be me. Although I am kinda sore at this stage.
Absolutely not i mean this is just pathetic. Hes here denying every answer we give him, that comes from experience. Ive used mushrooms 60 fucking times and this guy is trying to say "Its just hallucinations"
While he has absolutely no psychedelic experience. Jesus fucking cock sucking Christ.
Thanatose im not trying to be an asshole but you must be able to see where im coming from?
'Hallucination'= an experience involving the apparent perception of something not present.
That almost NEVER happens to me on mushrooms. Just because Wikipedia says Mushrooms are a hallucinogen does not mean that you only 'hallucinate'
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Yeah and he's basically taken over two forums with this crap. It's played out, I wish this would end.
God dammit.
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Ignore the guy if it bothers you so much, or just filter out his posts with your mind.
I too find his ignorance to be somewhat mildly entertaining.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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How am I ignorant? So far I haven't seen anything to help me out with this philosophy that I haven't tried already.
How can you be sure that they enhance the senses and not distort them?
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They do both!
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Then let's have a look at the etymology of the word:
The psychedelic is a concept the name of which is derived from the Ancient Greek words psychē ("soul") and dēloun ("to make visible, to reveal"), translating to "mind-revealing".
What are your thoughts on this?
Tell me what WOULD help you out?
What was the question again?
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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That doesn't make any sense
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Thanatos10 said: How am I ignorant? So far I haven't seen anything to help me out with this philosophy that I haven't tried already.
How can you be sure that they enhance the senses and not distort them?
We can be sure because we have done them.
You have had some of the best answers in all of possibility given to you in this thread. If you cannot learn absolutely anything from it, then go be a Nihilist somewhere else 
EDIT: Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.
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He said earlier he was not a Nihilist.
Is that because you do not wish to label yourself Thanatos?
What are you and why doesn't any of this make sense?
Explain yourself.
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DividedQuantum said: Yeah and he's basically taken over two forums with this crap. It's played out, I wish this would end.
God dammit.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one getting frustrated. I'm having to try really hard to hold back at times.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
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I just don't want it to be true.
You want cards on the table, fine. I have autism. It makes understanding things quite hard sometimes when they aren't concrete facts. Throughout my whole life I believed myself to be smart because I knew various facts about different things, mostly animals and nature. But when it came to more abstract things, and arguing your point, I was left defenseless. I was in an arena I had no idea to maneuver trying to make sense of everything to the best of my ability and failing. I take everything at face value and tend to get stuck on points of data that people say. It makes things like philosophy and spirituality very difficult.
It took me until now to realize I am just book smart, facts and figures can't help me out now. Every time something gray came up I cowered because of my inability to deal with it. People were arguing and sounding confident, but all I could do was parrot their replies. I had no idea what I was doing.
So each challenge: the morality of vegan, polyamory, conspiracy theories, sexual fluidity, spirituality. These things I has no idea how to deal with or even begin to. All my data was useless and for the first time I felt like a true idiot before the people talking on these things. All I could do was look up counter arguments to these things because I didn't know how to myself. Eventually this just devolved into disproving people in an attempt to be smart. I know that now.
Now I'm faced with not only conflicting opinions on spirituality but nihilism too, and I have nothing to defend myself with or to deal with this. I'm alone, scared, confused, and angry at how incapable I am at fathoming these things. I curse my brain for what it does without me knowing. I knew facts, I knew nature, and that was enough as a kid. But now I.......I just can't deal with this. I don't know how. For the first time I feel truly lost. A ship without a compass or map. I don't know how or what to do at all. I'm a child trying to think as grownups do.
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Just enjoy life man. Be a peaceful happy person, find a hobby, find a passion, some type of science that your interested in.
And know; when you die, youll wake up. This place we are in right now is Hell.
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Well, you seem like a very intelligent person to me, and the fact that you are willing to share that with everyone tells me that you mean well. I thought you were just being ignorant and negative, but you have proven me wrong and I sincerely apologize.
As far as I know I am not Autistic, but I really can relate to a lot of the things you are feeling. You are not alone. It seems as though you have no choice but to wait for the answers you are seeking and find them on your own in your own way. Don't force it and try not to dwell.
Do you have friends or a strong support system in your life that maybe can help you in a more direct way?
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I understand it may be very frustrating for you to understand all of these notions that you've never encountered before, and are not familiar with. It is also frustrating for us that none of it is getting through to you. So, I dunno, it kind of seems like some sort of stalemate at the moment.
It is clear that you are either truly in a private hell, or at least perceive yourself to be. All I can say is that you are the only person who can surmount that. No one else can do it for you. I hope you choose to continue living, for your sake. You've got to find something, some way to shake yourself loose of the rut you are in. A major change. Who knows what such a thing could lead to.
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IS THAT IT!?!?!?!?!
They're your cards! Fuck me sideways, you got it nowhere near as bad as I thought you might have.
I recently got diagnosed with an ASD; Aspergers. Welcome to the fucking club man. I've spent the last 15-20 years offending people and causing all kind of shit in my life and never knowing or understanding why I did it. Seriously. I fucked up in so many ways that are all so explainable now I have a diagnosis. For me it was a FUCKING HUGE relief to find out there was a reason for it all. Suddenly I could look back on my life and realise I wasn't just being a cunt; all of those times I had reason!
You think you got it bad? I had to talk my severely depressed & suicidal wife (who is the love of my life) down from throwing herself off a rooftop a month ago and I've stopped several suicide attempts since. She's an alcoholic and is a shell of the woman I married. Coupled with that she then got so fucked one night afterwards she fucked her friend. Now she's in rehab, I'm all alone and I'm left picking up the fucking pieces of my shattered life.
You think you're alone in this shit? You think you got it so bad? You think I haven't gone through the fucking sheer misery at times that you're going through??!?! It's fucking insulting. Yeah, I wanna fucking make it all go away too at times, but when I do I carry myself to my hiding place and lick my wounds until I'm ready to face the world again. I don't go out being a self fulfilling twat by asking my friends advice only to then throw it back in their faces.
Appreciate what the fuck you have and stop wasting everybody's fucking time. Which is exactly what you're doing. Fuck off and sort yourself out.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Fuck off and sort yourself out.
I've been wanting to say that for like four days.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Fuck off and sort yourself out.
I've been wanting to say like for like four days.
That's the funniest thing I've read all year. I fucking LOL'd hard at that man. Thank you DQ, you've given me a good few laughs of late. I appreciate you man.
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