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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22177808 - 09/02/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You Can meet with your 'Whole spirit' through high doses of psychedelics, it has happened to me only 1 time. Time no longer existed as my very existence rose out of my body into a place of pure light.



What compound/dose did you use to achieve this MM? Sounds fascinating.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22177826 - 09/02/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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But if you don't have a sense of being in the ordinary sense, then the recommendations here to take a psychedelic trip is premature. You are not ready to have your identity disassembled because you have not yet assumed a stable sense of identity. One needs a strong and resilient ego in order to transcend that ego. An experience of ego-death to an unstable ego can result in a major psychiatric crisis. In such a case, the immolated Phoenix will not rise from its own ashes. If you can't listen, you can't learn. Become Daedalus, not Icarus.



Thanks for pointing this out Markos; I was a little dubious in suggesting it myself but could think of nothing else to suggest to the poor fellow (other than seeking therapeutic help).

Truth be told, I don't think anything is gonna help him until he decides to help himself by dropping his defences.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22178095 - 09/02/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Those are all nice stories but that's all they are, stories. They don't prove anything. Your entire explanation isn't different from what I have heard before in my life. But who says there is a purpose for why we are here? For what purpose is there for me to be life's pin cushion?

A trip is just a hallucination that people attach meaning to.

I have no defenses, I simply have nothing left inside of me.

I have tried spirituality of many different types before, but they all lead nowhere. I just played along to humor the people who tried to help me through them. In the end they only believes what they wanted to believe but the end result was the same, nothing.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22178218 - 09/02/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A trip is just a hallucination that people attach meaning to.



I don't think you have any right to make judgements as to what others experience when they trip. How many times have you tripped in your life, and what on?

If none, then you're just being a moron by stating that.

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I have no defenses, I simply have nothing left inside of me.



You might think so, but you are truly one of the most defensive people I have ever met.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22178342 - 09/02/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How so?


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22178387 - 09/02/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No doubt.

There are plenty of things that exist but cannot be proven. Oxygen is one good example. Another good example I think would be love. Sure you can see signs of it, hugging, kissing, holding hands...but you cannot actually see Love. Hope.

You hope to find all the answers to questions that cannot truly be answered or proven to actually exist. But you can't see hope either can you? You cannot see feelings, but they are there. Often times we feel things that are not there.

It is up to you to decide whether or not you have a soul Thanatos.

Do you have a conscience...maybe some intuition perhaps? Boom there is your inner self right there. Your soul.

Or is there a difference between the two?

You are the creator, now create something.

Or just become a Nihilist which it sounds like you already are, and go out like Nicholas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22178512 - 09/02/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No doubt.

There are plenty of things that exist but cannot be proven. Oxygen is one good example. Another good example I think would be love. Sure you can see signs of it, hugging, kissing, holding hands...but you cannot actually see Love. Hope.

You hope to find all the answers to questions that cannot truly be answered or proven to actually exist. But you can't see hope either can you? You cannot see feelings, but they are there. Often times we feel things that are not there.

It is up to you to decide whether or not you have a soul Thanatos.

Do you have a conscience? Boom there is your inner self right there.

You are the creator, now create something.

Or just become a Nihilist which it sounds like you already are, and go out like Nicholas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas.




I'm not a nihilist but I find it hard to argue against what they are saying. As for feelings, those are just chemical reactions in the brain. It's why depression does what it does. Oxygen can be proven as well.

As for a conscience, that's debatable and shaped by the prevailing morals at the time. Doesn't prove there is in fact an inner self or soul.

Intuition is also not proof that a soul exists, it could just be a function of the subconscious.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #22178552 - 09/02/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How is having a conscience debatable or not?

Do you feel bad when you do bad things?

I want to help you Thanatos, but it seems like no matter what anyone says, it is not good enough.

Ultimately it is up to you man. Only you can help yourself.

Everyone is going to answer the same question in a different way.

There is no right or wrong answer.

What does the subconscious mind mean to you?


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22178750 - 09/02/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How so?



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I don't think you have any right to make judgements as to what others experience when they trip. How many times have you tripped in your life, and what on?




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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22178904 - 09/02/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How is having a conscience debatable or not?

Do you feel bad when you do bad things?

I want to help you Thanatos, but it seems like no matter what anyone says, it is not good enough.

Ultimately it is up to you man. Only you can help yourself.

Everyone is going to answer the same question in a different way.

There is no right or wrong answer.

What does the subconscious mind mean to you?




Feeling bad is all dependent on what morals are currently in place. The same act could yield different results for two people depending on what they view as bad. That why I said it's debatable because it depends on the society and individual. There is no absolute moral code.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22178929 - 09/02/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How so?



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I don't think you have any right to make judgements as to what others experience when they trip. How many times have you tripped in your life, and what on?







Having a hallucination or alterations to your senses does not mean anything other than what people want it to. You take a drug, it has an effect on your chemistry and perception and people are convinced it's something supernatural.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22178946 - 09/02/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would hope that you would at least have the decency to answer a simple question; How many times have you tripped in your life, and what on?


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22179006 - 09/02/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I never have, nor do I have an interest in doing so. What's the point in asking that?


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22179033 - 09/02/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

out of curiousity, why are you posting at the shroomery? :smile:


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22179035 - 09/02/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol what is the point of you being here then?

No wonder you don't get it. Not to imply that you have to take drugs in order to get these concepts, but they certainly have played a huge part in my beliefs and spirituality.

If I were you though, keeping in mind I do not know you as my percieved opinions are entirely based on the content of which you post, I would never trip.

Bad news bears.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: cosmicg]
    #22179058 - 09/02/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sought advice here about another matter.

What does experiencing an illusion have to do with getting any of this? It's not like it means anything.

So what if before when I dreamt I used to have that falling sensation and then essentially crashing awake so to speak, but now I no longer have those sensations. Also so what if I had dreams that told of future events that happened in my life and they came true (granted they all involved me doing something so it could just be the subconscious acting it out). What does that have to do with it.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22179121 - 09/02/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I never have, nor do I have an interest in doing so. What's the point in asking that?



Because, my dear friend, it leaves you with absolutely zero authority to make such broad and sweeping statements as this:

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Having a hallucination or alterations to your senses does not mean anything other than what people want it to. You take a drug, it has an effect on your chemistry and perception and people are convinced it's something supernatural.



How much further do you want to besmirch your credibility here?


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22179175 - 09/02/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How can you be sure that it's not an illusion when you are tripping?


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22179328 - 09/02/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I never have, nor do I have an interest in doing so. What's the point in asking that?



The point is. Tripping is not 'just hallucinations'.

You have no experience. You have no fucking clue.

Mushrooms enhance all of your senses, it is rare for me to actually have 'hallucinations' rather than altered/enhanced vision/perception.

You just have no fucking clue dude.


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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22179338 - 09/02/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How can you be sure that it's not an illusion when you are tripping?



Find out for yourself.

You apparently will not accept anyones answer to any of your questions no matter how much actual sense it makes.


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