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MajickMuffin
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Why would you ask this question only to deny every explanation or idea given to you
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I'm beginning to think it's for kicks. ~100 posts, nearly all of which are disagreements or non-committal responses.
It's probably just a case of bad mental health.
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Thanatos10 said: I'm not convinced there is such a thing as a soul. Is there any proof of such a thing? How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
Soul is English for Psyche. You do not have a Psyche, you ARE a Psyche. Wake Up. A Body (Soma) without Psyche is a corpse. Pneuma (Spirit) is a whole other order of reality, but if you haven't grokked Psyche, you're not near ready to discuss Pneuma.
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Thanatos10
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Because so far what I have heard is not proof. It's either belief and faith or just telling me that I have to "find it". I cannot act on belief or faith. They defy logic and reason.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Soul is English for Psyche. You do not have a Psyche, you ARE a Psyche. Wake Up. A Body (Soma) without Psyche is a corpse.
That sounds like pretty die hard proof to me. About the best you'll get IMO.
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MajickMuffin
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Thanatos10 said: Because so far what I have heard is not proof. It's either belief and faith or just telling me that I have to "find it". I cannot act on belief or faith. They defy logic and reason.
Jesus fucking Christ. 
Take 7g of mushrooms and you'll fucking find out
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MajickMuffin said: Take 7g of mushrooms and you'll fucking find out
I suggested similar in another thread of Thanatos's.
Have you ever actually taken mushrooms Thanatos?
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No I have not. As for the bit about psyche, that proves nothing. A declaration is not proof. We have a mind yes and we have a body. But that doesn't mean there is a soul anywhere in there, regardless of what some word translates to.
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Thanatose your fucking retarded. Nobody is here trying to tell you what is the truth. We are all sharing our ideas, ways, beliefs, that we gained from personal experience. Were not going to sit here and argue about it with you.
Take our words, think about them, consider them, and say thank you. Is this some kind of weird game for you?
You asked a question, your getting answers. Don't fucking argue about the shit especially since you have absolutely no research or experience with spirituality or psychedelic a.
I hope you find your way. But humble yourself to people trying to give you our highest opinions gained from personal experience on your question.
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MajickMuffin said: You asked a question, your getting answers. Don't fucking argue about the shit especially since you have absolutely no research or experience with spirituality or psychedelic a.
Right on MM.
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I'm getting responses but not answers.
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The fact that it is based solely on experience and that experience varies between individuals doesn't make your claims anymore believable.
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Why do you want to know if the soul exists? If say... you found concrete proof that you had an eternal soul, would you actually apply that knowledge to your current life?
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Space Elf]
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Space Elf said: Why do you want to know if the soul exists? If say... you found concrete proof that you had an eternal soul, would you actually apply that knowledge to your current life?
Yes.
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"The One you are looking for is the One who is looking" St. Francis of Assisi
The soul exists, it is synonymous with reality itself. Just look within your own mind for a few moments, witness that internal experience, that which is not an object of the senses. That is the thing that really exists, it's the substratum that makes all experience possible. It is formless, ineffable and is beyond any conceiving of it.
To know oneself completely and to experience that self is the highest experience that we can attain. The material world of sense objects does not cause our being it is the other way around.\
Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.
Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty."
Do you understand what he is saying?
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You could replace al of that with mind and it would still make sense. All you are making are claims based in nothing. The mind is how we experience the world around us. That internal experience is also a product of the mind. As for not being conceived, that is the subconscious. It is a vast sea beneath our awareness that we don't understand. So it is not possible to know yourself because most of that information is lost to you. The material world exists with or without you, you are just another part of it.
Again these are all claims, nothing that makes me believe that I or anyone else has a soul.
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Id like to add in my little theory ive come up with....
I say theory because it is certainly not a belief, i will not limit myself to say i believe in any one thing.
Anyways. I imagine the "soul" in the sence of the essence of who you are that leaves your body when you die, could take form as the electrical energy that run through your body and fires through your brain that controls many things such as your heartbeat. So id call that electrical force a life force in some way. With it being an electrical force could it possibly transform in some way into another invisible force like a radio wave or vibration of sort that could travle through thin air or to go one step further expand as some sort of vibratory pulse and be part of all that encompasses the universe.
Sounds kinda like a crackpot theory and idk if all my terminology is correct but you get the jist of it.
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Your 'spirit' is an immortal entity. Your 'spirit' fragmented itself, took a piece of itself when it incarnated into a human body, this fragment of your 'whole spirit' is your 'soul'.
The purpose of fragmentation is, if your 'Whole spirit' were to incarnate into a human body you would have all of your memories, experience, skill from your entire existence, all of your past lives and experience in the spirit worlds.EDIT: Which would make coming to this world pointless. You would not be able to learn, have new experiences, etc..
The soul does not carry any memories from your 'Whole spirit', its a blank sheet of paper, which is why you are born without any previous memory.
We come to this world for a few reasons; To Experience, to learn, for entertainment.
When your body dies, your 'Soul' which you are currently experiencing, rejoins with your Whole spirit, and you go through a phase of 'self reflection'. Watching like a movie everything you have done in this life, everything you have changed, effected, harmed, everything you have overcome, learned, enjoyed.....
After that process, you are your Whole spirit once again, and it is your choice what to do next. You can do anything you want, meditate for 5000 years if you want, then come and incarnate again. Or come incarnate in 100 years, i dont give a fuck.EDIT: go explore the Universe, go meet other entities, find another planet other than Earth to incarnate on.
You Can meet with your 'Whole spirit' through high doses of psychedelics, it has happened to me only 1 time. Time no longer existed as my very existence rose out of my body into a place of pure light.
This pure light was me, it was my Whole spirit. It was my home, a place of pure thought, pure light, love, knowledge, PEACE. I was in this place for a 'timeless' amount of time, while I was there time did not exist. I just stayed in that place and thought about every single thing ive done so far in my life. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever experienced. I was so fucking powerful too. An old Spirit. Not all spirits were created at the same time, some can be younger and others older with more experience. We are all Gods. We are all immortal. Our bodies are but only vehicles which allow us to operate in this strange world.
Also, there are spirit types; A human body can only be inhabited by a human spirit, a Dog body can only be inhabited by a dog spirit. Chicken body=chicken spirit. Spirit types are not equal, they are different and cannot change, you are what you are.
This is my beliefs, gained through personal experience. You dont have to believe them, or agree with them, but this is what ive picked up starting with research into this field, then delving myself into it and seeing it for myself.
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Thanatos10 said: Because so far what I have heard is not proof. It's either belief and faith or just telling me that I have to "find it". I cannot act on belief or faith. They defy logic and reason.
Obviously you did not read what I wrote, because it is clear you are just listening to your own thoughts, and are not paying attention. WAKE UP!
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Thanatos10 said: No I have not. As for the bit about psyche, that proves nothing. A declaration is not proof. We have a mind yes and we have a body. But that doesn't mean there is a soul anywhere in there, regardless of what some word translates to.
Here is a little help for what I wrote: MIND = PSYCHE = SOUL.
Look at your own words: "We have a mind yes and we have a body." The way you've written this indicates that the "we" is separate from, and a possessor of, a mind and a body. Your assumption is not well thought out, no wonder you are confused. You seem unable to drop your erroneous preconceptions and assume another perspective. You seem presently alienated from yourself, late adolescent identity crisis perhaps, still trying to 'find yourself' instead of simply being yourself. "We" are a psychosomatic whole, a mind-body, dualistically speaking. Together, mind & body are one 'soul' in the biblical definition. Greek philosophy had different divisions of soul (e.g., Plato's appetitive, emotional, rational soul), as does Jewish theology (nefesh, ruach, neshamah), but these divisions are just ways of speaking about lower and higher motives deriving from grosser or more subtle aspects of one's inner life.
If are looking for an aspect of human beinghood that transcends your 5 senses and your thinking-feeling mind (ego), THAT aspect is called by different names in different traditions: Spiritus/Pneuma/Ruach (in Latin/Greek/Hebrew respectively), Buddha Nature (Buddhism), Atman (Hinduism), Transcendental Ego (Phenomenological philosophy), etc. But if you don't have a sense of being in the ordinary sense, then the recommendations here to take a psychedelic trip is premature. You are not ready to have your identity disassembled because you have not yet assumed a stable sense of identity. One needs a strong and resilient ego in order to transcend that ego. An experience of ego-death to an unstable ego can result in a major psychiatric crisis. In such a case, the immolated Phoenix will not rise from its own ashes. If you can't listen, you can't learn. Become Daedalus, not Icarus.
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