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Thanatos10
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Is there a Soul?
#22170169 - 08/31/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not convinced there is such a thing as a soul. Is there any proof of such a thing? How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
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DieCommie

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How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
It being a delusion of the mind doesn't negate its existence - that merely describes its nature. The soul is observed and therefore it exists. But of course many people, particularity in the US, use the soul as a concept that implies eternal life which mitigates their crippling death anxiety. There is no evidence at all that the soul is eternal and in my view there is plenty of evidence that the soul is mortal. Regardless, I still observe it to exist.
"Proof" is far too high of a bar to set for the existence of anything. But that is another topic...
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: DieCommie]
#22170317 - 08/31/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're looking for proof, you'll never be convinced.
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Why is that?
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YOU are your fucking 'soul' you stupid motherfucker. Your body is the vehicle of your 'soul' which I call 'spirit'.
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You'll find out about it at some point.
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
Succinctly put DQ, that made me lol brother!
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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The word soul is synonymous with lifeforce.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Space Elf]
#22170937 - 08/31/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I got some life force bitch and I'll shove it right up your ayass
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Thanatos10
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
And if I don't? What if I find out there is no such thing? That people have been mistaking it for something else all this time? What if it's just some complex mechanic in the mind or biological?
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
And if I don't? What if I find out there is no such thing? That people have been mistaking it for something else all this time? What if it's just some complex mechanic in the mind or biological?
Thats a stupider thought than believing in it.
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Jesus man, it sounds like you're being deliberately obtuse. Going round in bloody circles again. Just please, get out of your thoughts for a bit. You'll find a lot of answers become apparent if you can just get past that incessant thought process. You really can't see that it's just that that is causing you your suffering can you?
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MajickMuffin said: I got some life force bitch and I'll shove it right up your ayass
That made me laugh.
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Thanatos10 said: I'm not convinced there is such a thing as a soul. Is there any proof of such a thing? How can you be sure it even exists and is not a delusion of the mind?
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DividedQuantum said: You'll find out about it at some point.
And if I don't? What if I find out there is no such thing? That people have been mistaking it for something else all this time? What if it's just some complex mechanic in the mind or biological?
What you might call "some complex mechanic in the mind" other people call the soul. Its just a case of I say potato, you say potauto, you see?
But its a hard question to answer because the word soul has been used to refer to different things over the centuries, so if we say yes there is a whole, which definition are we using?
I would say the spirit is eternal, but the soul not necessarily and there is a lot of confusion around this and the difference between them because sometimes people will say soul instead of spirit or vice versa.
But the simplest way to think about it is that YOU are soul. You are not some complex mechanic in the mind, because you are what is aware of the mind.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Deviate]
#22173658 - 09/01/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are just the mind though. There is no proof that there is such a thing as spirit or a soul. It could just be something we created to explain what science has so far been unable to.
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You have to experience the spirit to know it as 'proof'. We cannot show you your own spirit. You must find it. You cannot ask us to prove to you that we breath oxygen, we cannot prove that oxygen exists because we cannot see it. But it is there
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Thanatos10
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MajickMuffin said: You have to experience the spirit to know it as 'proof'. We cannot show you your own spirit. You must find it. You cannot ask us to prove to you that we breath oxygen, we cannot prove that oxygen exists because we cannot see it. But it is there
Experience is biased and there could be many different variables to explain so called "spirit". Saying to someone they must find it is a dodge to having to answer the question.
Also unlike spirit we can prove oxygen exists. That's like saying the wind doesn't exist.
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Thanatos10 said: We are just the mind though. There is no proof that there is such a thing as spirit or a soul. It could just be something we created to explain what science has so far been unable to.
No, if we were just the mind then we wouldn't be aware of the mind. We are that which is aware of the mind. You identify yourself with the mind, thats the problem. Spirituality is about breaking this identification. Once you do that, you will see the nature of soul.
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Re: Is there a Soul? [Re: Deviate]
#22174322 - 09/01/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not true. I'm pretty sure the mind can be aware of itself. You still haven't proven that there is a soul.
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Thanatos10 said: That's not true. I'm pretty sure ...
Man you are a big 'ol bundle of contradictions. Do you not see what you did there?
Frankly, it's beginning to get a little boring. You're hanging around a place where many open minds gather, whilst being extremely closed minded yourself.
Why?
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