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HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario
#22169972 - 08/31/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Included one photo that was taken 3 days prior to this find, I just couldn't get over how much these cinctulus are bluing. Pretty much all the same photo but I tried to get different angles to capture the bluing on all sides.
As always, let me know what you guys think !!
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22169987 - 08/31/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are some serious cincts .
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Peteza34]
#22170326 - 08/31/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Real cool man just curious what you found these growing from? Almost looks like wood chips hanging onto the bottoms. I've only found em on horse dung and in fertilized lawns, but have heard they can be rarely found on wood chips too. Anyways nice looking find!!
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: oG_Chemdog]
#22170344 - 08/31/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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oG_Chemdog said: Real cool man just curious what you found these growing from? Almost looks like wood chips hanging onto the bottoms. I've only found em on horse dung and in fertilized lawns, but have heard they can be rarely found on wood chips too. Anyways nice looking find!!
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It's strictly horse dung that I'm finding these on, there may be some woodchips on the top layer due to some chips being in the horse stables but its 99% horse dung. The woodchips stick to the mycelium so when I pick them it looks as if they came out of them, but it's just a small layer over top of the dung.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22170372 - 08/31/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Holy jeez, beefcake cincts
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22171390 - 08/31/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you positive on the ID?
Are the caps paper thin?
If so, they may be bisporus or a relative. Bisporus can get pretty big also. This cap is 2 inches wide.

Are you sending any specimens or prints out for research?
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: MacMerdin]
#22171702 - 08/31/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: mushypanda]
#22171971 - 08/31/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22172793 - 09/01/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP are you willing to send prints to other Ontario dwelling members ?
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: doctorghosty]
#22172873 - 09/01/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Zombi3]
#22172910 - 09/01/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MacMerdin said: Are you positive on the ID?
Are the caps paper thin?
If so, they may be bisporus or a relative. Bisporus can get pretty big also. This cap is 2 inches wide.

Are you sending any specimens or prints out for research?
No I am not positive on the ID, but I have assumed the exact same thing as you. Some of these specimens look way more like Bisporus instead of cinctulus, I have specimens dried and saved from last year, if they are intact I would be willing to send some out as long as I am updated on the arrival and research as it proceeds, I am also willing to send out some of these specimens but I need to pick them out among the other mushrooms as I put them all in the same jar unless identified differently. Take a look at this post as well which was a couple days ago, it shows many other examples of what might have been bisporus, nobody on that post said anything about the possibility of bisporus so I brushed it off, all though it may be a definite possibility.
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Yes, absolutely I would be willing to do that. I am not proficient at taking prints, but I tried to do it as sterile as possible, printing them on tinfoil then completely sealing them. So anybody within Ontario, who is seriously interested in receiving a print send me a message, I am looking for people that are genuinely interested, as I would like to be updated with the progress of whatever is being done with the print !
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22186689 - 09/04/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm seeing woodships on the base of stems which leads me to believe that they are in the ovoid or woodloving arena.
You said in another post that they grow from dung? How the chips on the base than?
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
#22189635 - 09/04/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Frizzie said: I'm seeing woodships on the base of stems which leads me to believe that they are in the ovoid or woodloving arena.
You said in another post that they grow from dung? How the chips on the base than?
Frizz.
I have never actually questioned the woodchips, I have always just assumed that it was horse dung that was under it or the dung had wood chips in it. Which I have observed in some balls of horse dung. Here is what the habitat they grow in looks like
    
I've seen other photos where the horse dung has wood chips mixed in, maybe that's the key to these large fruits. Hopefully that gives you an idea of why the woodchips are there. In my oppinion I think theres wood chips mixed in among the stables and when the dung is moved to the pile the wood chips go along and mix. But that doesn't explain why theres wood chips in the balls of dung.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22190600 - 09/04/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are some amazing pan. Cincts, great find!
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: dormiens_vagila]
#22190862 - 09/04/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, I would say panaeolus Cinctulus for sure but the amount of bluing is baffling. The answer must be a microscope, and if they are cincutlus then they are a valuable strain.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
#22191667 - 09/05/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think farmers use woodchips so they can walk around without shitting up their shoes.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Peteza34]
#22191783 - 09/05/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They look a little water logged, that is probably why they are bruising like that. It would be interesting to get an id via microscope.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: DeTwizzle]
#22191856 - 09/05/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow incredible, nice pics!
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Peteza34]
#22192283 - 09/05/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteza34 said: I think farmers use woodchips so they can walk around without shitting up their shoes.
Stable shavings are good for absorbing piss and other liquids from farm animals.
You can find very robust specimens of Panaeolus subbalteatus in a mixture of stable shavings and dung, also just want to add Psilocybe cubensis has been recorded growing from a mixture of HORSE dung and stable shavings.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Lucis]
#22192835 - 09/05/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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man I cant get over the bluing on those puppies. Can I have some please lol...
They may just be bisporus and that would be amazing. Regardless they are valuable and potent! Good strain! Preserve the species!
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
#22193271 - 09/05/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont think these are cincts. look more like ovoid. I have ran across these once in S/E ont and was baffled, however i dont think a new species or subspecies is out of the question here. Not many people hunt mushrooms around here, everyone thinks im crazy for it lmao.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: AcidBath]
#22193320 - 09/05/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ovoids with mottled gills and black spores...
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Lucis]
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I hope you saved prints. Nice genetics I think
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Sad Onion]
#22195560 - 09/06/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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those really are some badass panaeolus. it would be badass if they were something other than cinctulus. because ive sure as hell never found a mammoth like that.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22195713 - 09/06/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I swear every time I think I might have confidence in identifying Cincts, I look at a picture like this and bang my head against a wall. If I walked by those and didn't see any bluing, I would have just kept walking. Those look nothing like what I thought these things should look like. I am most certainly an amateur, I won't deny that. But Pan Cincts/Subbs are my achilles heel. 
All that aside....great finds.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: FryersQuest]
#22202213 - 09/07/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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FryersQuest said: I swear every time I think I might have confidence in identifying Cincts, I look at a picture like this and bang my head against a wall. If I walked by those and didn't see any bluing, I would have just kept walking. Those look nothing like what I thought these things should look like. I am most certainly an amateur, I won't deny that. But Pan Cincts/Subbs are my achilles heel. 
All that aside....great finds.
generally Cincts don't have any noticeable blueing only darker amber stems and blackish/grey gills when looking at them in your hand side by side with foenesecii which will have nearly clear tan stemns and chocolate brown gills/spores.
What do you mean they are your Achilles heel? Just struggle with them or what?
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
#22202297 - 09/07/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I struggle with them. But that's ok...live and learn. I will find them next summer I'm sure. Didn't really look for them this year at all.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: FryersQuest]
#22202330 - 09/07/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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With all the warmth and then the week of rain... this is prime cinct time...
Go check some lawns and if you know of a farmer that piles up his/her scrap hay and manure compost you'll have a blast!!! should be growing by the mass right now...
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
#22203429 - 09/07/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was like low 70s in the everett area. You think that will do it? I have just the place to look...
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: FryersQuest]
#22206995 - 09/08/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe you will find them.
The thing to remember about dung and Hay compost piles is that they have a heat of their own because of the breakdown. Some of them can fruit well in to winter and sometimes early spring before you are seing other mushrooms on the ground.
As for the subs in lawns typically in my experience they will be in or after warm spells and after a good heavy rain storm (1-2 days). or a good well watered lawn in mid summer will have them also usually.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
#22207021 - 09/08/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Note the darker amber/brown of the stems and the stemb buts, and the grayish gills... No blueing anywhere on these but they were the real deal western Washington hay pile cinctulus. From May 2013

Another view


This kind of makes me think that the shrooms in the OP are a different variety of Subbalteatus / Cinctulus. Typically blueing is non existant unless you find some small aborts at the base of a stem, sometimes they will boast of the psilocybin and psilocin
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
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I found them. Just a couple. But you were right about finding them in pastures. There are countless places you could find this mushroom so looking for it is kind of frustrating.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: FryersQuest]
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Frizzie said: This kind of makes me think that the shrooms in the OP are a different variety of Subbalteatus / Cinctulus. Typically blueing is non existant unless you find some small aborts at the base of a stem, sometimes they will boast of the psilocybin and psilocin
I do find quite a few in the early season that have no blueing whatsoever, typically later in the season around late summer to mid fall is when I find these cinctulus that blue heavily. This is why I assumed they were bisporus, because they fruited around the same time as last year, the mushrooms from last season also had very intense blueing and were a bit off in colour compared to the early season cinctulus. One picture for reference is my display picture, which shows a bit of evidence of the similarities to these finds.
All though it would be very interesting if they were confirmed as Cinctulus, as it would draw the question of why they blue so much around this time of year.
Maybe Ideal growing conditions could provoke more potent fruits which results in lots of blueing ?
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I found them. Just a couple. But you were right about finding them in pastures. There are countless places you could find this mushroom so looking for it is kind of frustrating.
I mainly stick to the taller grass after heavy rains, sometimes mixed in with a few weeds as well. I find that in the pastures they will grow after a nice heavy rain and they are easiest to find in the morning when the grass is still wet, I rarely find them in the hot days proceeding the rains.
The hot days after the rains are where the dung piles shine, the rain will start them off and the hot days after will turn them into massive potent fruits. Too much sun will dry them up very fast though, so get to them a couple days after the rain if you can.
These are the two main habitats I mainly look in, mostly because they fruit so much in these two habitats that I don't need to look anywhere else. When you find a nice dung pile, given the right conditions you're going to find TONS of cinctulus. Keep looking for that motherload, I know you'll find it haha.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22208513 - 09/08/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fantastic advice. Seriously...it really deviated from the whole "well manicured lawn" mold. You helped me find them broseph. Going to try real hard to get out of school early enough to check out the same area before nightfall.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: FryersQuest]
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you can find these all over S. Ont! I have finally come to spot the differences in foes and cincts, most of it is in the stem. I find printing on jet black shiny magazine type paper helps spot the brown spores of a foe in sunlight.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: AcidBath]
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This is good info.
The fact that you find heavy bluing in the summer and just regular cincts in the spring could very well indicate that you are dealing with more than one species that are both panaeolus.
I would say the next step would be careful documentation and differentiating spore print and gill fragments for each find.
My guess is that they are two separate things.
About finding Cincts for others who are interested it is true that "well watered lawns" are the easy/generic answer but when it comes to finding them in their more natural and fruitful environment, the proper answer would be tufted grass lands (not wetlands) but sometimes partially sub irrigated is good and definitely where other animals have left dung to enrich the soils.
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Frizzie]
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I am certain there will be more before the season ends, I will closely separate, print and photograph each specimen next time I come across them. I had a feeling that these were a bit different than the cinctulus I find normally.
Looking forward to finding more and doing a bit of research into why they are like that, or what they are ? Thanks for all your feedback everybody !
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Spxck]
#22218110 - 09/10/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is bluing a common trait of active mushrooms?
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: Boomertown]
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Boomertown said: Is bluing a common trait of active mushrooms?
i know someone who knows
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: relic]
#22222788 - 09/11/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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     Species Found: Gymnopilus Luteofolius ~ Panaeolus Cinctulus ~ Psilocybe Baeocystis ~ Psilocybe Cyanescens ~ Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa ~ Psilocybe Semilanceata ~ Psilocybe Stuntzii
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Re: HEAVY Bluing Cinctulus from Southern Ontario [Re: relic]
#22223441 - 09/11/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boomertown said: Is bluing a common trait of active mushrooms?
i know someone who knows
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Panaelous Cinctulus, Copelandia Bisporus, Amanita Muscaria, Gymnopilus Sp Psilocybe silvatica, Psilocybe caerulipes
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