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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22170255 - 08/31/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Its a good read.

Apparently, cherry seeds have about 0.8 mg HCN (hydrogen cyanide) per gram of seed, and itt takes about 30mg of HCN to get to the lethal range of killing a person (according to the artofdrink article).

So, do the math, its like 30 cherry seeds to almost kill a person.



pretty sure the seeds are more than a gram each


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: koods]
    #22170299 - 08/31/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cyanoglycosides are found in a all your pitted fruits. Cherries, apricot, peach, plum. However,these seeds have been designed by evolution to pass through an animals digestive tract unscathed so that the animal will shit out the seed and propagate the plant.

In the case of almonds and cherries, the glycoside uses cynaide to link glucose with benzaldehyde. Glucose is what give a cherry its sweetness and benzaldehyde is what gives cherries their smell and taste. Oh fun fact.: almond and cherry flavors are the same.




Do most plants have an enzyme to break it all up before it makes its way to their mitochondria?


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: fapjack]
    #22170869 - 08/31/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Plants aren't affected by cyanide. They don't have hemoglobin


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: Sheekle]
    #22170953 - 08/31/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bust out that miligram scale u got and lets start weighing.

I know u got one.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22171109 - 08/31/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think its only becomes dangerous if you were to accidentally extract it somehow. Like maybe filling a gallon jug with cherries that have pits and then filling the bottle with vodka?


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #22171139 - 08/31/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

u have to crush it for it to work i believe but eating them whole doesnt do anythin


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: Sheekle]
    #22171284 - 08/31/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Amygdalin actually is an effective control for cancer. The cyanide is said to not be released unless it contacts an enzyme only in cancer cells, which it then kills.  See big pharma fraud and cover up of this in the documentary, Second Opinion, Fraud at Sloan Kettering <- something like that. 

Health effects are evident. Nitrilosides are also said to contain a vitamin b15 which is debated. My cardio health has improved among other things.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: syncro]
    #22171334 - 08/31/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

a lot of foods are toxic to the body, we just can't feel it or don't notice it.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22171336 - 08/31/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: koods]
    #22172673 - 09/01/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Plants aren't affected by cyanide. They don't have hemoglobin



But they do have a mitochondria which is where I thought cyanide's inhibition happened.  Also cyanide is used as an insecticide and insects don't have hemoglobin.  It affects cellular respiration which plants, and animals do.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: syncro] * 1
    #22172838 - 09/01/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Amygdalin actually is an effective control for cancer. The cyanide is said to not be released unless it contacts an enzyme only in cancer cells, which it then kills.  See big pharma fraud and cover up of this in the documentary, Second Opinion, Fraud at Sloan Kettering <- something like that. 

I chew and eat about 20 apricot seeds a day and health effects are evident. Nitrilosides are also said to contain a vitamin b15 which is debated. My cardio health has improved among other things.



Riiiight.  It was a cover up.

You do your thang and I'll do mine.  My thing being not chewing up fruit seeds to release poison into my body.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: fapjack]
    #22173286 - 09/01/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Plants aren't affected by cyanide. They don't have hemoglobin



But they do have a mitochondria which is where I thought cyanide's inhibition happened.  Also cyanide is used as an insecticide and insects don't have hemoglobin.  It affects cellular respiration which plants, and animals do.



Cyanide blocks oxygen transport. Plants don't breathe oxygen.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: koods]
    #22173327 - 09/01/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Plants need to transport oxygen from the chloroplast to the mitochondria. They don't make all their o2 through photosynthesis either as that only works during the day, cellular respiration happens all the time.




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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: fapjack]
    #22173427 - 09/01/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So if cherry pit's have hydrogen cyanide couldn't one obtain sodium cyanide by doing an STB extraction on crushed cherry seeds using dimethylformanide and sodium hydroxide as a base?

Actually maybe dmf wouldn't work, it's miscible with water


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: JvF]
    #22173461 - 09/01/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You could just use water and NAOH.  It is a weak acid so HCN+NAOH->NaCN+H2O


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: fapjack]
    #22173902 - 09/01/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know dude cyanide isn't toxic to plants.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: koods]
    #22173907 - 09/01/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

wait so if plants use sugar, what happens if you put sugar in the potting soil, will they grow really big, or do you have to inject it into their stems via IV?


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: fapjack]
    #22173965 - 09/01/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Plants need to transport oxygen from the chloroplast to the mitochondria. They don't make all their o2 through photosynthesis either as that only works during the day, cellular respiration happens all the time.







Chlorophyll is the plants equivalent to hemoglobin. I think the cyanide binds to iron, not magnessium





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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22173991 - 09/01/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I found a link about CN toxicity in plants. Apparently it is pretty toxic to some plants, but it varies widely by species. Fapjack is right about it interfering with ATP production. Here's aquote from the wiki:

"he cyanide anion is an inhibitor of the enzyme cytochrome c oxidase (also known as aa3) in the fourth complex of the electron transport chain (found in the membrane of the mitochondria of eukaryotic cells)"


http://www.ehow.com/info_11373550_cyanide-effects-plants.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanide#Toxicity


It might also bind to hemoglobin, but I guess it binds to cytochrome c oxidase better or more detrimentally or something. Apparently one of the antidotes for CN poisoning is oxygen administration, so hemoglobin must still work to some extent.


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Re: One or two cherry pits can kill you!! [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22174308 - 09/01/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cherry seeds contain cyanide. So do apple seeds. Actually, quite a lot of seeds contain cyanide. Usually it's the almond taste that will tell you they contain traces of cyanide.


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