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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22251936 - 09/17/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your right though, those are both amazonian churches.

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    #22251973 - 09/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe im not really sure i only really know of him because of his book supernaturnatural meetings with the ancient teachers of mankind. Its a pretty interesting read and if im not mistaken starts out with him talking about an ibogane experience


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    #22251992 - 09/17/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe im not really sure i only really know of him because of his book supernaturnatural meetings with the ancient teachers of mankind. Its a pretty interesting read and if im not mistaken starts out with him talking about an ibogane experience




Really? Perhaps ill look into him, I thought he was all about aliens or archaeological sites, I never knew he was talking about plant psychedelics, that's pretty cool.

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    #22252006 - 09/17/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He does talk about aliens and spirits and stuff in the book but he also talks quite a bit about his experience with ibogane, dmt, and aya in the amazon


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    #22254345 - 09/18/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks LSDreamer for good explaination :smile:

May i ask how was your life before you had a strong psychedelic experience?

Like philosophy, perspective, your dreams, your goals, familyies, friends, life?

Has everything change after trying psychedelics?
Do you feel that your whole personality has change?




Sorry for the late response, I haven't been active in a couple days.

Basically, no. I do not believe that psychedelics caused any particularly strong and enduring change in my personality. They probably made me more interested in drugs and got me around around other...ahem....drug "enthusasts", so to speak. Which ultimately led to me being an opiate addict. I would have figured all that out without the acid, of course, but psychedelics definitely made it easier to get in contact with people who sold other drugs.

If anything, psychedelics reinforced my existing beliefs. Probably helped reinforce my interest in them, so I would mark that down in the positive  column.

As far as my beliefs and philosophies go, the labels I would identify with are: Skeptic, Empiricist, Atheist, and Marxist. Just to name a few. As I mentioned, taking psychedelics can make you very, very aware of just how much of your experience is actively constructed. Psychedelics probably reinforced and maintained my interest in things like  psychology and neurology.

I have suffered from pretty severe depression and anxiety since I was about 15. I do not think that psychedelics have had any significant and enduring effect on my condition. That said, I do think that psychedelics can be beneficial. Psychedelics do produce similar thought patterns in most people. LSD in particular always made me feel like my problems weren't as bad as I was making them out to be. LSD also, more than any other psychedelic, made me marvel at and enjoy the inherent beauty and wonder of the universe.

Anyway, hope some of that made sense. It's 3AM and I'm high on opiates. Will clarify or expand on anything.


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22254958 - 09/18/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry for the late response, I haven't been active in a couple days.

Basically, no. I do not believe that psychedelics caused any particularly strong and enduring change in my personality. They probably made me more interested in drugs and got me around around other...ahem....drug "enthusasts", so to speak. Which ultimately led to me being an opiate addict. I would have figured all that out without the acid, of course, but psychedelics definitely made it easier to get in contact with people who sold other drugs.

If anything, psychedelics reinforced my existing beliefs. Probably helped reinforce my interest in them, so I would mark that down in the positive  column.

As far as my beliefs and philosophies go, the labels I would identify with are: Skeptic, Empiricist, Atheist, and Marxist. Just to name a few. As I mentioned, taking psychedelics can make you very, very aware of just how much of your experience is actively constructed. Psychedelics probably reinforced and maintained my interest in things like  psychology and neurology.

I have suffered from pretty severe depression and anxiety since I was about 15. I do not think that psychedelics have had any significant and enduring effect on my condition. That said, I do think that psychedelics can be beneficial. Psychedelics do produce similar thought patterns in most people. LSD in particular always made me feel like my problems weren't as bad as I was making them out to be. LSD also, more than any other psychedelic, made me marvel at and enjoy the inherent beauty and wonder of the universe.

Anyway, hope some of that made sense. It's 3AM and I'm high on opiates. Will clarify or expand on anything.





Interesting, may i ask you LSDreamer, which psychedelics do you have experience with?


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Boga]
    #22254982 - 09/18/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LSD and mushrooms extensively. LSD likely between 100-200 trips, mushrooms probably 30-40. Besides that I've taken 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-I, 1P-LSD (almost indistinguishable from LSD), DMT (never broke through), 25i-nbome, salvia, mescaline (extracted from cactus, just once). Also ketamine, MXE, and DXM if you count disassociatives, which would actually include salvia now that I think of it. I think that's everything. I could be missing something.


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22255178 - 09/18/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My DMT breakthrough was what caused intense change in my mental state, and ultimately in my life, I lost all my fear and anxiety of death and went from an agnostic to a spiritual person near instantly, my entire philosophical outlook went from one of cynical bleak nihilism, to one of spiritual beauty, optimism, and happiness.

This occurred once on psilocin, but it was far to mild to have much of a transformitive effect. I had taken around 9g of stropharia cubensis washed down with a vitimin water mixture containg 1000mg ascorbic acid, and a small amount of peganum harmala seeds, these were strange cubensis, the person I got them from thought they were no good, so I ate all 9g (had I thought these were potent cubensis I never would have done such a thing), I waited 20 minutes and did not feel much so I went to sleep, I awoke in terror believing that I had died in my sleep...it was a pretty intense freak-out, and was my first inclination of conscious existance after death.

And once on DMT, it was my first time (well, I smoked DMT once before but it didn't work, I took 3 huge hits and it just felt like an intense 15 minute psilocin/salvinorin-a combination) but the first time I really smoked I had .20 ,maybe a bit more , on the digi, which is 200mgs, I poured it onto some high grade marijuana and cashed it in a single breath, and like being struck by lightening I was dead...and the story goes on, ive told it many times.

I think its the noetic shock of an initial single dose that produces change, I was fairly traumatized by the experiance, it was the most difficult thing I have ever gone through, but its this difficulty that causes the extreme change, and for me it confirmed conscious existance after death, that was the key change was going from agnostic to spiritual.


I don't experiance death every time I take a psychedelic, its only happened twice, but the time on DMT was whats called a "peak experiance" or "breaking open the head" or "the beatific vision" or having your "3rd eye opened",  its a life changing, transformitive experiance...I have had people say "I smoke 50 milligrams (.05 on a digi-scale) and it is the most intense thing I have ever experianced"...but its still not what I'm talking about, it doesn't come anywhere near what I'm talking about.

Some can even make the connection with spirituality from using psilocin, it almost happened for me on psilocin, but for others it seems to be sufficient, as detailed in the link below.
(These were already religious people in some cases who knew spiritual experiance with out entheogens, and came to admit that the psilocin did produce genuine spiritual experiance.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Chapel_Experiment


Thank you for your input though, because I seem to be under the impression that these compounds can do for everybody what they did for me, when in reality its probably a far smaller percentage of psychedelic users that experiance spiritual transformation and divine awakening.





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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22255638 - 09/18/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can tell you right now that no experience psychedelics could produce will change my position on spirituality. It's something that I've quite thoroughly figured out what I think and why. Psychedelics can induce experiences most people would describe as "spiritual", however I tend not to use that word as a supernatural element is implied by the word.


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22256305 - 09/18/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I suppose it may depend on a natural affinity towards spirituality, or I may have become spiritual regardless and the DMT was just the straw that broke the camels back. I suppose that no matter who you are they will provide you with what the universe most needs you to have.

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    #22258323 - 09/18/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hello,

I didn't read this entire post, but I have experience with taking Iboga for depression/anxiety.

I journeyed exactly 1 year ago in Costa Rica at the iboga Wellness Center.....Ibogas the real deal. It's hard to describe the actual experience but it's a healer for sure....the strongest medicine I've worked with, yet the most humane, grounded, and introspective medicine. It's not cosmic, it's truth.....raw truth...

.it's all introspective self therapy. It doesn't teach you much that you don't already know or give you something that you didn't already have. It just shows you yourself and it allows you to view, work with and explore your memories, consciousness and sub conscious. You can almost watch yourself thinking from an outside point of view, and THEN you see and understand your shortcomings and the roots of your problems.
It's intense and can be physically taxing.....expect at least 36 hours until you start to rebound.........BUT after my second day I awoke the next morning with a clear mind......deep clean breathing and a sense of calm and content I haven't felt since I was a carefree child. Not a single thought in my head.....This feeling lasted for a few weeks and slowly tapered down to a pleasant positive afterglow that went on for 3 months......

NOW I am experiencing anxiety, and depression again.....I am able to deal with it little better because of the lessons iboga taught me, but the MOST important aspect working with Iboga is this;



It clears your head for a given period of time.....during this time you have the opportunity to make changes in your life that will lead you to being a happy person.......you have to take advantage of this time period to make changes or your thinking habits will slip back into their respective neurological path ruts and you'll be back at square one.

Im planning a return trip now that I understand the medicine better and how to utilize its teachings.

*****do not take iboga alone. Have a sitter for the entire experience..... Better yet connect with an underground provider and have them guide you through the experience and dose you properly....better yet; go to costa rica or Mexico to a reputable clinic...... Lots of good people in it for the right reasons.

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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Joey Rigatoli]
    #22258882 - 09/19/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Joey!

Finally someone who have experience with Iboga :smile:!

Got some joy from reading your post, but it ended when you said your back to some anxiety and depression again :frown:
May i ask what happen? Dident you take the opportunity when you had your afterglow to change your old habbits?

Do you remmeber most of your trip? If you do, got any details about it? Really want to hear your story.
Do you got any kind of addict problems? Or what kind of depression you have?

Did you take a flood dose?
Did you meet your higher self?
Did you experience death /reborn :smile:?

What in life has change after your iboga experience?


Got any tips/preparation for someone taking Iboga for first time?

- Like to hear more from you :smile:



Also im wondering about one thing, when you are tripping on some psychedelic (special: Aya and Iboga) how long do you feel you have been tripping for, after an psychedelic experience? hours, days, weeks, months, years?

Thanks


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    #22259090 - 09/19/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, finally a person who has actually tried this stuff..

I'm interested in iboga because it can pull a person off opioids without withdrawl, anybody know anything about it from this perspective?

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    #22261307 - 09/19/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hello,

I didn't read this entire post, but I have experience with taking Iboga for depression/anxiety.

I journeyed exactly 1 year ago in Costa Rica at the iboga Wellness Center.....Ibogas the real deal. It's hard to describe the actual experience but it's a healer for sure....the strongest medicine I've worked with, yet the most humane, grounded, and introspective medicine. It's not cosmic, it's truth.....raw truth...

.it's all introspective self therapy. It doesn't teach you much that you don't already know or give you something that you didn't already have. It just shows you yourself and it allows you to view, work with and explore your memories, consciousness and sub conscious. You can almost watch yourself thinking from an outside point of view, and THEN you see and understand your shortcomings and the roots of your problems.
It's intense and can be physically taxing.....expect at least 36 hours until you start to rebound.........BUT after my second day I awoke the next morning with a clear mind......deep clean breathing and a sense of calm and content I haven't felt since I was a carefree child. Not a single thought in my head.....This feeling lasted for a few weeks and slowly tapered down to a pleasant positive afterglow that went on for 3 months......

NOW I am experiencing anxiety, and depression again.....I am able to deal with it little better because of the lessons iboga taught me, but the MOST important aspect working with Iboga is this;



It clears your head for a given period of time.....during this time you have the opportunity to make changes in your life that will lead you to being a happy person.......you have to take advantage of this time period to make changes or your thinking habits will slip back into their respective neurological path ruts and you'll be back at square one.

Im planning a return trip now that I understand the medicine better and how to utilize its teachings.

*****do not take iboga alone. Have a sitter for the entire experience..... Better yet connect with an underground provider and have them guide you through the experience and dose you properly....better yet; go to costa rica or Mexico to a reputable clinic...... Lots of good people in it for the right reasons.

Peace




If it is true that Ibogaine is able to give you a significant length of time more or less symptom free and motivated, I strongly urge you to use that time to completely restructure your life. Develop and habituate self-care practices, both physical and mental. If you don't already know about it, I highly suggest looking into Mindfulness, possibly even finding a psychologist (like, actual psychologist rather than a "license therapist" it may be irrational, but I just don't trust them to have the necessary training) who combines the approaches of Cognitive-Behavioral therapy (especially Rational-Emotive Behavior Therapy) and Mindfulness. When the effort is made to learn and practice those techniques, it makes a dramatic impact on your mental stability and overall feeling of well-being. Mindfulness is much more than just meditation, but the meditation component, if done consistently and stuck with, is probably the most profoundly effective tool I've ever encountered for combating depression and anxiety. Once you've done it consistently for awhile (not even THAT long), taking just a few moments to meditate is enough to dramatically alter your perspective and disrupt and dissipate negative thoughts.

I'm likely not telling you anything you don't already know, just trying to offer some helpful advice from someone with severe chronic depression and anxiety and substance dependence.


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22262179 - 09/19/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Got some joy from reading your post, but it ended when you said your back to some anxiety and depression again
May i ask what happen?





Dident you take the opportunity when you had your afterglow to change your old habbits?
Do you remmeber most of your trip? If you do, got any details about it? Really want to hear your story.
Do you got any kind of addict problems? Or what kind of depression you have?
Did you take a flood dose?
Did you meet your higher self?
Did you experience death /reborn ?
What in life has change after your iboga experience?
Got any tips/preparation for someone taking Iboga for first time?



I took 2 seperate flood doses 3 days apart. I remember much of the visions, lessons, retreived memories, voices etc.

On my second journey I was quided by a Shaman and introduced to my soul and I was able to ask myself a list of questions that I had prepared.....the answers I received were all very basic and revolved around pursing happiness above all, not recognition, money, success etc..

When I awoke after my first session I felt as though I had been reborn in a way, very fresh clear mind....no thoughts what so ever...no inner monoloag etc.

I lost my desire to drink alcohol completely and a year later I still rarley drink....alcohol was not a problem for me, but I grew up with a father that was/is an alcoholic. It's been strange not drinking but the urge simply isnt there....I didn't feel the need to smoke, but continued to as I was traveling costa rica and still do today....I'll quit when i take iboga next.

As far as opiates, I've seen it take a gram a day user and it got him clean and smiling within 3 days. Unreal....it works....I was using H and oxy very lightly before my journey and after taking iboga I didn't even think about opiates for a few months.

I returned back to my regular life and things were great for several months, but it is easy to slowly slip back into paterns that took years to create.....just like gaining weight...you don't notice, because its so slow but someone you haven't seen in months notices you put on 10 lbs the second they see you. I felt good when i returned and didn't feel i needed to change anything because I felt great.....in reality I should have started practicing meditation, yoga more frequently, etc etc etc.

My advice for taking iboga is this
1) don't have any expectations of the experience itself...its different for everyone.
2) make up your mind on the things you want to change and use Iboga as a helping hand to make this change, DONT expect it to do all the work for you
3) dont try to control the experience....you MUST let go and it will take care of you.


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Boga]
    #22262363 - 09/19/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Iboga actually kills people. No thanks.

The knowledge that this mescaline/mushrooms/morning glory is very unlikely to actually kill me each time it feels like death is reassuring.


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    #22262853 - 09/19/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but I returned back to my regular life and things were great for several months, but it is easy to slowly slip back into paterns that took years to create.....just like gaining weight...you don't notice, because its so slow but someone you haven't seen in months notices you put on 10 lbs the second they see you. I felt good when i returned and didn't feel i needed to change anything because I felt great.....in reality I should have started practicing meditation, yoga more frequently, etc etc etc.




Pretty much what you described. For a good 6 months or so I was stable, happy, positive, and peaceful. This is such a profound difference from how I normally am, the threat of slipping back into my depressed, drug addicted baseline seemed more distant and less threatening. Inch by inch, my self care practices slipped and, eventually, it all caught up to me and I was back to depression , anxiety, and drug abuse. I'm working on digging myself back out of this hole. It's tough, but I'll make it.

To be clear, I have not taken inogaine. I'm a drug addict, my drug of choice being opioids. I went to 3months in an inpatient treatment program/facility in May of last year. If was a good program, and I did their outpatient for awhile.

Why I didn't stay clean is nothing but my own issues with willpower, consistency, etc.


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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22263351 - 09/20/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Joey for sharing your experience.

To bad you get back to your old habbits, hope you get better next time :smile:


Did you feel that it was too early to try iboga?
Did you have any intension to stop with all drugs?

These months with afterglow, how did this affect your life? Like if you was working/ your job, or studying, friends?
You must have get something out of it :frown:

Also, while you were tripping how long did the trip feel? Like eternity?

Thanks


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    #22263791 - 09/20/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has turned into a very interesting read indeed.

I have a long way to go before I'd be willing to try iboga, but I'm heading in the general direction :wink:

Interesting also to read about your thoughts on mindfulness LSDreamer, I'm starting with a mindfulness course this week. I have no real addiction problems, but do suffer from a kind of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) that invades my everyday life in a negative way. As I understand it now, mindfulness is in a way spiritual without being supernatural. So, I'm interested in seeing how far spirituality can go without becoming in any way supernatural, and how it can benefit my life in general.

Btw, I consider myself to be an agnostic, but I'm open to the supernatural in a poetic way. It can be thought provoking and even insightful to read about the spiritual, even the supernatural, without having to believe in its literal objective or material truth. I hope that when, one day, DMT for example confronts me with the spirit realm I'll be able to integrate the experience in this mindset.

I wish everyone on this thread the best, and hope to read more..

Love, Hanz.


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    #22272806 - 09/22/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Hanz!

Long time no see, hehe was wondering where you was :smile:

Your saying that you have a long way before you are willing to try iboga? Why?


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