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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: hayabuser]
#22213925 - 09/09/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hayabuser said: Saying Iboga is the same as LSD, Shrooms or even Ayahuasca is like comparing an Asteroid with Jupiter cause their both in space. Iboga is the undeniable k.i.n.g. of plant healers by a long shot and could very well lead to a cultural revolution if more people participated in it. It's pressing the reset button whether you fight it or not, there's literally no chance you're gonna make it trough a full flood dose with an intact ego, set and setting are way less imprtant than with other drugs. It washes you free from all dirt and leaves you with a feeling like you've just climbed the highest mountain with your bare hands. For months. The alkaloids in the Iboga plant are the most remarkeable in the whole plant world, only Caapi can somehow concur IMO.
What you have described herein sounds intriguing and extremely fascinating to me. However, what you have described also sounds a lot like what I have experienced from Amanita Muscaria. A large dose of that, ain't no way is your ego making it through. But where does Iboga take you? Amanita takes you home to the Creator and in the most gentlest way, in addition to wiping your brain clean. Can Iboga match that?
I don't think anything can top Amanita but now you make me want to give it a try. Can I order the necessary plants online?
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: xThunder]
#22216189 - 09/10/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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xThunder said: I recommend mescaline if you get a chance, it's similar to ayahuasca and iboga in that it has therapeutic properties, and is generally easy to handle regardless of experience.
I recommend all psychedelics actually, I was incredibly depressed a few years back, and tbh I still am sometimes, not to mention I suffer from moderate social anxiety. By nature I'm a very pessimistic and introverted person, I can't help but focus on the negative side of things because I've always thought that was "the truth"...that the world is an icky, scary place and all who inhabit it have nothing but bad intentions. Might as well just lock myself in my room and waste away because who the fuck cares, its all pointless anyway. Who wants to be a part of this shitty world?
Psychedelics showed me I was wrong. There is beauty in the world, a lot of it. There are friendly people in the world, in fact I realized that the vast majority of people are actually quite friendly. I've found new appreciations for so many things including music, writing, education, and even socialization to an extent. I still follow a lot of my old habits, but I think I've gotten to the point where I can consider myself a functioning member of society.
Give it a shot man, with any of them that you are able to find. Also let us know how it goes, people around here really care about each other, I'd love to know how things turn out for you!
Great post!
I feel the world is both, it's the Coincidentia oppositorum, a sacred union of opposites. It can be positive or negative, beautiful or ugly, euphoric and depressing, etc...and often times is quantum in the sense that in most cases existence is positive AND negative, beautiful AND ugly, euphoric and depressing, all simultaneously. And by selectively limiting your surroundings and the people in those surroundings, as well as your thoughts (meaning try to only think about positive things while keeping negative thoughts to an absolute minimum) and if you only let good hearted positive people and influences into your life, only listen to positive music, only watch posotive movies, only go to positive places, only participate in positive activities, and so on, you will find you can begin to tip the scale towards the side of your choosing. (I'm not saying it's ok to ignore the negative or pretend it doesn't exist, I'm saying do all you can to limit your exposure to it)
DMT changed everything for me, and I've become a happy, well balanced, and emotionally stable person, where as before I had a good deal of anger, pessimism, anxiety, and fear.
I'm still a very quite and reclisive person, I keep to myself and socialize with very few people, I still generally prefer to be left alone, but the pessimism and fear that must plague any thinking human had been lifted out of my life, as had the mild anger and depression issues I had, and they have not returned since. (this experience occurred in 2012)
But...I have a habit of thinking that DMT can do this for everyone, which is wrong, it may fail for some, it may makes others worse, which is why I'm always very cautious in telling my story on this topic, I don't want to give you the false hope that DMT will do these things for you, I'm only saying it can, and did for me.
Unless your being mauled by a tiger or have the flu or something, the present moment is never all that bad, most negative perceptions and feelings are self generated...
the philosophy of Buddhism can really help you understand why you are unhappy, and can give you many tools for correcting this, and you don't need drugs or ritual or anything extreme, just some simple observations...they talk about "hidden knowledge", it's not hidden because someone is intentionally hiding it from you, it's hidden because it is not at all obvious, and had someone not pointed it out you probably never would have figured it out...any way, eastern philosophy is great for learning these techniques.
the more information you have the better you will do, and combined with propper knowledge in a proper setting, psychedelics can work miracles.
...but it's not without risk, the risks are all psychological with the classic psychedelics, but if your trying to improve a psychological disorder, you may end up actually doing more harm than good with these things, so pleas be careful.
Whatever path you take, be careful, be educated, and be safe.
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Just out of curiosity, in what manner do you use DMT for your benefit? I know it can do amazing things, but wasn't abled to generate much healing from it so far.
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: hayabuser]
#22221065 - 09/11/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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hayabuser said: Just out of curiosity, in what manner do you use DMT for your benefit? I know it can do amazing things, but wasn't abled to generate much healing from it so far.
The benneficial experience was my first with the compound (now every time I smoke DMT it's just a review of what happened to me the first time)
I smoked 200+ milligrams in a single breath, the DMT was on high grade cannabis indica, and before I could exhale I was in the grips of this thing.
...that's it, just a single very high initial dose.
People tend to take very low dose DMT, and they may have very mind boggling experiences, it may be the most intense thing that's ever happened to them, but it's not what I'm talking about, to achieve what I'm talking about you must venture into the deepest water.
This was the most significant experience in my life...
The thing was, I was not trying to heal myself (though I was suffering quite a bit), all of this kind of just happened, seemingly out of my control, this was also my initiation into spirituality and shamanism, though that's not what I was trying to do either...
Honestly, at that time I was exploring my mind with psilocin, really with no goal in mind other than I wanted to see what would happen, I wanted to test my reality, and somehow this amazing life changing event occurs...
...if that's how you are meant to be helped, God or the universe or whatever you want to call it will make it happen, seemingly regardless of how you actually feel about it...
The experience was traumatic, I experienced death, dismemberment, resurrection and rebirth...and I would never want to go through it again (though I'm sure we all do at death), but because of what it did for me, if I could go back, I would not change a thing.
(Please don't read this and go take a huge hit of DMT, it may not work for everyone, and it may make others worse, I'm not offering advice, I'm simply explaining what happened for me.
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...I'm not saying I know how to heal with DMT, but I can say that with the proper prior knowledge and setting it can work miracles.
if it did it for me by mistake, who knows this things potential when used in a therapeutic setting with proper goals in mind.
(...And ayahuasca is used this way to an extent, and maybe some heal better by being slowly eased into it, but for me the "noetic lightening strike" provided by smoked DMT was more beneficial than the scenic route (ayahuasca)
Some say the natives had the right idea by stretching a 15 minute experience into a 4-6 hour experience, but I think both methods are equally capable of healing and radical positive psychological change.
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Hello guys!
Thanks for keeping this thread interesting 
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Iboga is the undeniable k.i.n.g. of plant healers by a long shot and could very well lead to a cultural revolution if more people participated in it. It's pressing the reset button whether you fight it or not, there's literally no chance you're gonna make it trough a full flood dose with an intact ego.
Thats what im looking for, a reset button something that can change my thinking pattern. Dont think my ego is a big problem, always wish i had some kind of narcissism, or at least more of it, than now.
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I have heard the visions are eyes closed, and opening your eyes can interrupt them to a degree...I have also heard there's a heavy physical component to it.
Correct, have also read many reports where people say that when they close they're eyes they still can see their arms 100% clear, even if their eyes are closed. :o
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What you have described herein sounds intriguing and extremely fascinating to me. However, what you have described also sounds a lot like what I have experienced from Amanita Muscaria. A large dose of that, ain't no way is your ego making it through. But where does Iboga take you? Amanita takes you home to the Creator and in the most gentlest way, in addition to wiping your brain clean. Can Iboga match that?
I don't think anything can top Amanita but now you make me want to give it a try. Can I order the necessary plants online?
Interesting, but have read many places that its really dangerous and should only be taken in really low doses. But still think Iboga will top Amanita. Also i dont want my trip to be very gentle, but hard base facts about me and my problem. The core of all my problems. Wondering why I am who I are.
I will definitely give a report back after my ceremony  But... one thing im thinking about is.... am i maybe too optimistic/big hopes? Because all of the information i have go about iboga and ayahuasca is from other peoples experience. People have told mind blowing result, that almost seems to good too be true. So what can you guys say about psychedelic to a guy with no experience with psychedelic?
Sometimes i wish i were just like my friends, drinking, drugs, sex, everything like that. A simple/mainstream life. Too bad my brain hate that.
Well, right now its just over a month now, and i will head over to the ceremony to take Iboga, so cant wait! I have put everything behind me: work, school, family, friends, girlfriend, my goals and dream. Everything. I want to see what the higher version of me will say to me.
And one more thing: Why take Iboga and not Ayahuasca first? Well i have read a ton of reports from them both, and about ayahuasca i see people still seeking more from it (dont feel satisfied). Ofc many people get satisfied from it, but i also read people who have take ayahuasca 12... 25.... even 60 times... and still seeking for more.
But about Iboga, most of the people get satisfied on the first time, and dont want to take it again because it was too harsh. (They will maybe take it after a loooooong time)
But thanks guys, really like you replying back here  Got any question please ask ^^
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Boga]
#22228487 - 09/12/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A little strange you're worried about the safety of amanitas when ibogaine is known to be a risky venture itself. People have and continue to die when taking it.
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
#22228532 - 09/12/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, since you asked what to expect from psychs as a first timer, I'll do what I can. I've never taken ibogaine. However, if it is similar to other psychedelics in any way, here are some of the things you may experience:
Upon onset, a generalized stimulation, possibly anxiety.
Coming up: A change in mood (positive or negative), something a feeling of tension, that often manifests in the body as well as the mind. Though it is far from guaranteed, transitioning from sobriety to psychedelia can sometimes be a little rough. After you do this, you will realize just how fragile your experience of consciousness and the senses really is and how much the brain actively generates that experience.
Tripping: This is probably the part I can give the least insight on, having not taken ibogaine. However, there are two pieces of advice which I consider important and useful for the inexperienced:
1. Trust sober you. Sober you made a planned and calculated decision to take this drug and produce this experience. If it were something that would cause you serious harm, sober you wouldn't have taken it.
2. Ego death. This is where a lot of newbies end up having a bad time. In this context, your ego isn't your own assessment of how cool/good a dude you are. Ego refers to the feeling that you have right now that you are an individual, distinct entity. You are you, you inhabit your body (poor phrasing because it implies I support dualism, which I don't) and are separate from all the other things. Just like every other thing you consciously experience, this feeling is actively generated by the brain. Psychedelics can interfere with this perception. This can range anywhere from feeling vaguely more "expanded" or in touch with your environment all the way to total one with the universe without any concept that "self" is a thing for awhile. The latter is what we would call ego death. Others would be better referred to as ego softening.
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
#22239912 - 09/15/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks LSDreamer for good explaination 
May i ask how was your life before you had a strong psychedelic experience?
Like philosophy, perspective, your dreams, your goals, familyies, friends, life?
Has everything change after trying psychedelics? Do you feel that your whole personality has change?
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Boga]
#22239935 - 09/15/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm interested as well, I seem to think these things can do for everybody what they have done for me, and want to.see for how many people this is actually true.
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This is a really interesting video about an ibogaine experience and how it compares to ayahuasca. I suggest you watch it.
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Hemuli]
#22240025 - 09/15/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks Hemuli for shareing.
Have aldready hear the whole podcast a couple of times now
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Boga]
#22249903 - 09/17/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone here with Ayahuasca experience then ?
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Boga]
#22250151 - 09/17/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I frequently use ayahuasca analogues, often times with banisteriopsis caapi vine, though peganum harmala seeds have become my source of choice, and I use acacia confusa rootbark almost exclusively for the "light"
Force = the MAOI Light = the DMT
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: LSDreamer]
#22251714 - 09/17/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: A little strange you're worried about the safety of amanitas when ibogaine is known to be a risky venture itself. People have and continue to die when taking it.
For some reason people seem unecessarily scared of aminita. While it is true that very high doses can be dangerous, most people who are newly experimenting with amanita wouldn't even want to take anywhere near a fatal amount at first anyway. You can get decent effects from low to moderate amounts and from what I have read, there are very few if any documented cases of death from aminita muscaria overdoses. Some of the other aminita variations are more toxic and do kill people, but in my opinion, as long as you are careful and start small you are very unlikely to die from aminita. I take it all the time and I feel fine.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: I frequently use ayahuasca analogues, often times with banisteriopsis caapi vine, though peganum harmala seeds have become my source of choice, and I use acacia confusa rootbark almost exclusively for the "light"
Force = the MAOI Light = the DMT
-E. Borodin
That's interesting. Any nausea like symptoms with those combinations? Some less than others perhaps?
Btw, I like that, Force + Light
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Peyote Road]
#22251761 - 09/17/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you look at a compounds ED50 and then look at its LD50, and mesure the gap between, the larger that gap is, the less likley you are to overdose.
I have yet to try A. Muscaria, I have heard from most that it is unpleasant, some say its great, ibotenic acid, and Muscimol are not tryptamines or phenethylamines and are catagorizaed as deleriants, which has always scared me away from them, I have heard its far more pleasent than datura though, I'm somewhat curious, I have also heard that you have to harvest them from the right place at the right time of year, or they will ne unpleasent, but I'm not sure if that's true.
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Re: Iboga Healing, Experience? [Re: Hanz]
#22251813 - 09/17/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hanz said:
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: I frequently use ayahuasca analogues, often times with banisteriopsis caapi vine, though peganum harmala seeds have become my source of choice, and I use acacia confusa rootbark almost exclusively for the "light"
Force = the MAOI Light = the DMT
-E. Borodin
That's interesting. Any nausea like symptoms with those combinations? Some less than others perhaps?
Btw, I like that, Force + Light 
I cant remember where the force/light thing came from, but I did not invent it, they see ayahuasca as the coincidentia oppositorum (unity of opposites) the light is feminine the force is masculine, I heard they even only let females handle the psychotoria viridis (light) and males only handle the banisteriopsis caapi (force)
In my peganum harmala / acacia confusa brews I'm using 4g PHS to 12g ACRB, nausea can be an issue, but its not suffering nausea, its really quite easy to deal with, at least it is for me, I really don't even purge that often, but when I do it actually feels good, its not like the dry heaves from alcohol or the flu, nothing like that...ive found marijuana helps, at medical marijuana centers they sell THC tea-bags full of activated THC, sometimes I just brew it into my ayahuasca, other times I smoke.
Though I only use every full moon or when there's no moon, its spiritually motivated, and when you do these things right you don't need to do them often, so some time ill take long breaks without taking oasca at all (I use oasca over huasca when I'm speaking of analogues, I may be the only one who means analogue with the oasca spelling though, so sorry if that's confusing) I'm fairly knowledgeable with ayahuasca and ayahuasca analogues, and have had some good teachers, so I'm happy to.share information.
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I dont know if its known who invented the force/light thing it might be something from the amazon. Im pretty sure i have seen it in a ghram handcock book talking about his trips to the amazon and a few other sources.
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...I was thinking either "santo daime" or "unaio do vegetal" just because of the ritual preperation described where only females handle the light and only males handle the force...
Is Graham Hancock one of the ancient alien guys?
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