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Entities as Serpent Metaphors
    #22168088 - 08/31/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All entities in the universe can symbolically be represented as one of four serpents, and the way they digest things they eat are what makes them so:

THE SERPENT WITH ONE HEAD AND ONE TAIL.
(Oneness that begets Oneness, smaller Om) This is the smaller Goodness. It is the Goodness that exists within the Oneness (collapsed) state of the Universe, benevolent stagnance.

THE SERPENT WITH TWO HEADS AND ONE TAIL
(Duality that begets Oneness, greater Om) This is the Greater Goodness. It is the Goodness that exists in the Duality that unifies Dualities into Oneness. It is Benevolent action.

THE SERPENT WITH TWO HEADS AND TWO TAILS
(Duality that begets Duality) This is the smaller Evil. It is an Evil that exists in the Duality (expanded universe) that brings dualities close (enernerating desire) but does not unify them. It is malevolent stagnance.

THE SERPENT WITH ONE HEAD AND TWO TAILS
(Oneness that begets Duality) This is the Greater Evil. It is an Evil that exists in the Oneness that splits it into Duality.

In a human, all organs are serpents with two heads and one tail. The genitals and the heart are host to the Serpent with one head and one tail (smaller Good).  The mind is capable of being either a serpent with two heads and one tail (Greater good) or a serpent with two heads and two tails (smaller evil) but is host to the serpent with one heads and two tails (Greater Evil).


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22168384 - 08/31/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There's an Old Egyptian's symbol that is mentioned in the Bible that Moses had made because Moses was raised up as an Egyptian. He made two crocodiles crossed over each other, but connected at the stomach, which means the two share the same stomach(desires).




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    #22168393 - 08/31/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

wouldn't saying that unity is good and duality is evil, itself be a statement of duality? :smile:


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22168609 - 08/31/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There's an Old Egyptian's symbol that is mentioned in the Bible that Moses had made because Moses was raised up as an Egyptian. He made two crocodiles crossed over each other, but connected at the stomach, which means the two share the same stomach(desires).








Did you know that in the Congo there are double headed crocodile shaped Nkisi just like that?

If you can get a genuine one and you are respectful to African Spirituality and in working with a spirit, get it.




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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22168775 - 08/31/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is that your very own Nkisi, Asante? The one I think I read about somewhere in your other pages?

I am almost entirely ignorant about african mysticism, so forgive me if I ask some stupid questions, but...

Those nails in the Nkisi, are there a fixed number of them, or are they somehow added incrementally over time, one for each spiritual interaction, so to say? Did you drive them in yourself? .. or did a Congolese shaman do so?

Also, the 4 points in your original post. What are the sources for these ideas? Do they come from a specific body of spiritual knowledge, or are they perhaps personal revelations?

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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Hanz]
    #22168872 - 08/31/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)




Here's my main altar Hanz, with on it my Nkondi Nkisi, I have more, but thats not important now. That Nkondi is the Nkisi i refer to in my posts, thanks for noting it. Its from the 1950s, West Congo.

The blades are driven in by the Nganga in the process of charging the Nkisi, along with the Bilongo (the spell components contained in it)

Whenever you have a major assignment for the Nkisi you take a nail, you may dip the nail in your blood or sperm, and then drive it into the Nkisi ritually while moaking the vow it is to watch over, or giving the assignment.

I have only driven one nail intoi my Nkondi, when I truly took possession of it and became its Nganga. I mostly do sacrifices to it, incense and candles, rather than spike it. It begged me for that nail, it was a nail struck by my father before I was born, which I retrieved and struck it, as the son, into him.

The four guises of Divinity, or the Four Serpents is a revelation I received today, after a powerful and spiritrually perilous and dangerous 24 hour vision quest, as a reward for m,y great self sacrifice and hard work.

It is the completion of the puzzle opf which I got earlier pieces, such as that the symbol of the Spirit of Salvia is a Two Headed, Two Tailed Serpent (which yes, is more evil than we).

In fact the symbol of all Beings and of the Divine Being is a serpent with two heads and two tails, but with the Divine Being the Serpent bites its own tails in the form of the infinity symbol.

Serpents as symbols can be found throughout spirituality, such as in the Serpent Cross:



and in the serpent who seduced Eve to eat of ther Tree of Knowledge.

Interestingly, te Paradise Serpent only got a snake form AS PUNISHMENT FOR ITS CRIME, so when it seduced Eve it had another form.

If you wanna know anything more just ask Hanz.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22169294 - 08/31/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's fascinating Asante. Let me think about it for a while. I'm certain there's more I would like to know.

Busy day ahead, see you in +- 24 hours.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Hanz]
    #22174011 - 09/01/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, I've been thinking about this today, and about how it may perhaps relate to my own position on these subjects. However, in trying to formulate a reply I kind of got lost in the groundwork for a sensible conversation about these things. Let me try to explain.

First of all, I am amazed that you share these things so openly with us Asante. Until this thread (my first visit to the spirituality forum) I was not aware of how different subjects live in different compartments of my mind. For instance, I'm perfectly comfortable with talking on the shroomery about rectal administration of substances. On the other hand, I'm not sure yet whether I could as easily share my mystic (religious?) beliefs in such a public place.

And that forced me to think about where I draw the line... for the first time really. This was new.

So let me try to ask you about that instead.

Asante (or anyone else),.. is the shroomery a place for you where you will simply share anything and everything, not only about substance use, but about any spiritual / psychological matter? No need for literal examples of what you won't share, of course. But still, could you shed some light on the issue of what you are willing to share, what not, and where you draw the line?

This may give me some guidance in formulating my own replies about mysticism.

I guess if substance use is very closely related to mysticism in one's life, the two are not easily separated in any type of discussion. Perhaps for me this relation is not always present when I trip. It can be, it just isn't necessarily there.

For example, in the past cannabis could be a very mystical experience for me. On the other had, this summer's most beautiful trip where I combined XTC with truffles was neither entactogenic nor entheogenic. I didn't have a single sensible thing to say to my lovely friends, and god just withdrew a bit and smiled while I swam in the fractals. It was unforgettable though, but the mystical part was really only the sober days after.

Hope to continue this conversation later, until then
Love, Hanz.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Hanz]
    #22174095 - 09/01/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante (or anyone else),.. is the shroomery a place for you where you will simply share anything and everything, not only about substance use, but about any spiritual / psychological matter? No need for literal examples of what you won't share, of course. But still, could you shed some light on the issue of what you are willing to share, what not, and where you draw the line?




I'm not the most prolific poster, but I find this subforum to be a safe haven for inquiring minds. People bear their hearts here and are generally met with love and acceptance. Also check the physical and mental well-being forum if that is more appropriate to a particular subject you want to share. The philosophy, sociology, and psychology forum is also cool, but welcomes a more confrontational approach.

Like anywhere, be wary of sharing things that could have disastrous implications for your well being in the real world should your online identity become associated with your name. Aside from that, if you want to take a chance on opening up to a community, this is a fine place to start a conversation IMO.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #22174126 - 09/01/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've only met the smaller goodness
Waiting for the greater


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Hanz]
    #22176970 - 09/02/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well I won't share EVERYTHING buy yes I feel its important to relate personal spiritual insights, and part of what I hope to accomplish is working towards aShroomery where people share more freely of the exotic experiences that entheogens evoke.

Havent you noticed?

People here talk about everything psychedelics related EXCEPT THE EXPERIENCE ITSELF.

They are afraid to be seen as crazy by their fellow travellers. Its a cultural taboo.

I want to tear down that wall and educate those interested and susceptible.

The Serpents Metaphor is one that is potentially useful for many people.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22177182 - 09/02/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

and the serpent spake


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22177428 - 09/02/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well I won't share EVERYTHING buy yes I feel its important to relate personal spiritual insights, and part of what I hope to accomplish is working towards aShroomery where people share more freely of the exotic experiences that entheogens evoke.

Havent you noticed?

People here talk about everything psychedelics related EXCEPT THE EXPERIENCE ITSELF.

They are afraid to be seen as crazy by their fellow travellers. Its a cultural taboo.





Yes, that you say this surprises me a bit. Perhaps I don't fully understand.

As it occurs to me there seems to be more talk of the psychedelic experience here than anywhere else on the web. To name just a few examples, talking with entities, oneness and ego death, or this funny current thread about 4-aco-MET being god's vagina. People seem to be less afraid of breaking the cultural taboo than on any other social forum. And as I said, I have no shame or inhibitions on this subject either.

For me the experience is not the problem, nor is appearing crazy (no need to keep a secret that I'm crazy :wink:). The problem for me seems to be making systematic statements about religious or mystical systems, and sticking to those. Taking a real stand, so to say. It takes courage to do that, and commits you to a viewpoint in a way that no talk of e.g., entities ever will. See, this is the difference that I mean... The question is, how far to take this in public?

I happen to come from a cultural background where religion and mysticism are affairs you conduct in private, behind closed doors. I'm willing to question this background, but that doesn't mean that the answers fall from the sky :lol: .. I'm sure I'm of a slow mind.


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I want to tear down that wall and educate those interested and susceptible.

The Serpents Metaphor is one that is potentially useful for many people.




Well I think you have done a great job already. From what I've read you have my respect. Keep up the good work. :thumbup:

In closing I think I can say something about the Serpents Metaphor.

To me good and evil are not fundamental concepts, not like Oneness and Duality. The greater universe doesn't really seem to care what is good to us and what is evil. But we are confined to a life in which some things are certainly better than others, and hence good and evil can be powerful explanations of the major events in our lives.

I have yet to unify this viewpoint with my belief that god is Love, and that today Love is still missing from the fundamental axioms of exact science. We still need an e=mc^2 like equation that connects Love to our other fundamental concepts. I am convinced, however, that Love on a cosmic scale is not necessarily good on a human scale. It can be destructive and indifferent.

But Love is the beating heart of the Tao that unites Oneness and Duality.

The snakes, however, where new to me. :wink:

Love, Hanz.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22177929 - 09/02/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Asante, I'm confused and I want to get it right, but your last sentence seems to mix things up.

Please help us out.

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The mind is capable of being either a serpent with two heads and one tail (smaller good) or a serpent with two heads and two tails (smaller evil) but is host to the serpent with two heads and one tail (Greater Evil).




Re-read this last sentence carefully. It is confusing. :confused: The serpent with two heads and one tail is the greater good, isn't it?. But here you mention it twice, first as the smaller good, then as the Greater Evil.

So, which is it? Please repair this statement on the mind, as I think it is the most interesting part of your post. Thanks. :smile:

Btw, it's not my intention to embarrass you, of course. I think it would be far worse if we kept talking in this thread, but showed no real interest at all in getting it right... :heart:


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Hanz]
    #22177999 - 09/02/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My bad, I have been through great intensity and becausew of that, mixups can happen. I fixed it now, thanks for spotting it.

I'll get back on the rest of it later :smile:


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    #22178167 - 09/02/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My bad, I have been through great intensity and becausew of that, mixups can happen.





I figured :smile: ..

But, sorry .. as I read the first post in this thread now, it's still not quiet right. The last few sentences still mix it up, now you mention the Greater Good twice :confused:

.. then I read further, to your signature, and smiled, because what probably applies to me is: Blue is Red and Red is Blue, this Mistake is but a Twist in You. :lol::shrug:


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Hanz]
    #22178216 - 09/02/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so tired my friend you have no idea.

Corrected.


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Re: Entities as Serpent Metaphors [Re: Asante]
    #22178223 - 09/02/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Now it makes sense :grin:

Get a good night's sleep, then, .. give yourself a present.

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