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TheShroomanizer
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Psilocybin content of Mycelium 1
#22168031 - 08/31/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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is there a general rule as far as Psilocybin content of mycelium vs the fruit itself...%? I have heard of people eating their cakes...as gross as that may be, im just curious, im not so desperate as to eat a grow cake, simply wondering.
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Don't eat your cakes please.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: taGyo] 1
#22168291 - 08/31/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eating pf cakes?
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: taGyo] 1
#22168302 - 08/31/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Don't eat your cakes please.
I mean you could... you'll probably poop some pretty looking gold verm flakes though, lol.
I have no info on potency but I've heard it can work. If you must try it, however, my advice would be to soak the cake in some tea and then strain out as much verm and brf as you can before drinking it..
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: BLINKfan420] 1
#22168337 - 08/31/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd colonize a book or money, and eat that.
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TheShroomanizer
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Yerow] 1
#22168376 - 08/31/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheShroomanizer said:as gross as that may be, im just curious, im not so desperate as to eat a grow cake, simply wondering.
well like i said, i dont want to eat them...thats gross...and im not desperate, just curious...just was wondering if the potency was greater/lower/etc...since they tend to bruise pretty easily and very rapidly under harsh handling.
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The mycelium contains little to no psilocybin although I can't say for sure that's the case for all psilocybin producing species. Substrate can contain contaminants so I wouldn't try eating one or even making an extract from one even though the mushrooms that grow from contaminated substrate are fine to eat.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Kizzle] 1
#22168814 - 08/31/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If cube mycelium contains no psilocybin then why is it not classified (in the eyes of the law) in the same category as spores? Just curious, cos if someone on here can prove a certain strain contains no active compounds couldn't we theoretically make a petition or something to make said myc legal to buy/sell/trade?
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: spirit_shadow] 2
#22168881 - 08/31/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because the law doesn't give a fuck about scienc
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#22168949 - 08/31/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Before fruiting begin it contains none. After fruiting begin it contains a small amount. So under normal circumstances a LC or a still colonizing jar won't contain any. The reason the spores are widely available is they contain no psilocybin and they have a legitimate use (microscopy).
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#22168995 - 08/31/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Law makers would probably use the basis of intended manufacturing of a controlled substance (speculation). I am however sure no science would be considered whatsoever.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Kizzle] 1
#22169029 - 08/31/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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BLINKfan420 said: I mean you could... you'll probably poop some pretty looking gold verm flakes though, lol.
AKA Glittershits 
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Kizzle said: The mycelium contains little to no psilocybin although I can't say for sure that's the case for all psilocybin producing species.
Sclerotia is essentially just compacted dense mycelium.
This thread describes growing cubensis myc for harvesting. Its a patent from Sandoz labs involving none other than Albert Hofmann & Roger Heim. It also points out the major flaw in Gottlieb's producer guide.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7680529
I am currently growing sclerotia mycelium on "soft agar", I am intending to use it as a LC or rather "gel culture" or maybe call it a SAC? The agar is soft enough that it becomes like liquid if you shake it well, myc is growing on top so you can get a good idea if its looking contaminated or not, far more than a usual LC. I transferred a clean wedge into my jar. I have not sucked any into a syringe but it appears liquid enough that it will be able to be drawn up. I cannot even remember the strength I made it, I think it is very weak in malt extract so am not expecting much.
Harvesting cube myc is more risky IMO, but if you are growing stones in soft agar it should be more trustworthy. But you can just grow stones on grains anyway if you want a simple option -which is what I would recommend to any beginners.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Kizzle] 1
#22169254 - 08/31/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Before fruiting begin it contains none. After fruiting begin it contains a small amount. So under normal circumstances a LC or a still colonizing jar won't contain any. The reason the spores are widely available is they contain no psilocybin and they have a legitimate use (microscopy).
Hey you can look at myc under a microscope too
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#22169541 - 08/31/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know there is an old textdocument who sais you can produce million doses of psilocybin by just growing mycelium and harvest and refine this into almost pure psilocybin.
This is most likely pure bullshit, written without real info. The mycelium and substrate DO contain psilocybin but in very low doses. The exception to this is when a psilocybin producing mushroom mycelium produces scletoria stones with are about the same psilocybin content as the fruitbodies.
If you want grow something but dont want to show mushroombodies try the scletoria stones from ATL 7. These works real good and you dont need to grow the "mushrooms". Just let the mycelium grow in the substrate jar until it is full of scletoria stones witch then can be harvested and consumed for same effect as ordinary psilocybin mushrooms. There is tecs to follow on this forum, look them up.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Mateo] 1
#22170295 - 08/31/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mateo said: I know there is an old textdocument who sais you can produce million doses of psilocybin by just growing mycelium and harvest and refine this into almost pure psilocybin.
This is most likely pure bullshit, written without real info.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#22172019 - 08/31/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said:
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Kizzle said: Before fruiting begin it contains none. After fruiting begin it contains a small amount. So under normal circumstances a LC or a still colonizing jar won't contain any. The reason the spores are widely available is they contain no psilocybin and they have a legitimate use (microscopy).
Hey you can look at myc under a microscope too
This is the vendors' reasoning.
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Sclerotia is essentially just compacted dense mycelium.
So are mushrooms. Both are specialized structures though. So they have traits that differ from the vegetative mycelium.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Kizzle] 1
#22172343 - 09/01/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look up the psilobye producers guide. I think it's by Andrew gotlieb or something. You can find it on the shroomery also. I think it basically says to grow lc's.
As for mycelium NOT containing psilocybe/psilocin, that is false. But there isn't much. I don't know why mushrooms contain more, maybe because they are denser. I have seen plenty of bruising on grain, agar, lc, and substrate to say different.
I would play around with ps azurescens of I were to attempt to get some psilocybe from it. It's mycelium is bound to have more since it bruises darker than the background to this page. Grow it out of some oats and eat it. No shitting out vermiculite. Rye berries would be really bitter and acidic. I get heart burn just thinking about it.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: tahoe] 1
#22172403 - 09/01/15 03:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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. I have seen plenty of bruising on grain, agar, lc, and substrate to say different.
Me too but only after the mycelium finished colonizing.
Compounds like ammonium in the substrate have been shown to suppress secondary metabolism in a lot of fungi so I'm guessing that why it's so much lower than the mushrooms.
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: Kizzle] 1
#22172429 - 09/01/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does the orange seed and tree contain vitamin C?
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: WhoManBeing] 1
#22172440 - 09/01/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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WhoManBeing said: Does the orange seed and tree contain vitamin C?
I do not know for sure but I would be willing to bet yes. Not nearly the same concentrations though. The Orange peel has higher percent than Orange
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Re: Psilocybin content of Mycelium [Re: tahoe]
#22178162 - 09/02/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mateo said: I know there is an old textdocument who sais you can produce million doses of psilocybin by just growing mycelium and harvest and refine this into almost pure psilocybin.
This is most likely pure bullshit, written without real info.
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tahoe said: Look up the psilobye producers guide. I think it's by Andrew gotlieb or something. You can find it on the shroomery also. I think it basically says to grow lc's.
It is indeed bullshit, I already mentioned it's explained in my previous link.
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