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Re: Ayahuasca in America [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22167536 - 08/31/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The shamans that do those ayahuasca ceremonies are just as full of shit as Christians and Mormons and Scientologists and cult leaders.

It's cool they like to get fucked up on drugs and glorify their drug use and say they are communicating with the invisible guy in the sky, but common, you are just tripping, quit acting like it is some religious sacrament.

These are fucking drugs people. They produce cool visuals and interesting thoughts, but let's not put them on a pedestal and act like we are channeling God and ghosts and such.






You clearly haven't attended any type of ceremony.

There is much more too it then "tripping" and visuals.  Many people don't get visuals from certain cactuses.


There really is something going on underneath the fabric of what we experience with our senses.


I was oblivious to a lot of this not too long ago and if I didn't experience those things, I would be skeptical too.


And not all ceremonies are based around medicine (cactus .  Many are not.

In Yuwipi Ceremonies, spirits are visible and they interact with our environment and everyone is completely sober.  Its hard to deny that existence when you personally experience it.


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Re: Ayahuasca in America [Re: Big Worm]
    #22167540 - 08/31/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone always acts like the two are exclusive.

I mean, c'mon, trippin's fun as fuck! :lol:


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Re: Ayahuasca in America [Re: Big Worm]
    #22167541 - 08/31/15 02:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You're fighting an uphill battle, brother. You can tell there are a lot of educated Atheists here, right? Well, may the bigger force win.

I wish I could attach this pdf on erotic mysticism, discussing that exact phenomenon, but from German Mystical Writings. We could start talking about religious rapture and the countless paranormal experiences people are exposed to from ALL types of religions. Some Christian experiences sound like a socially induced seizure, it's bizarre. If you are looking for an Amen, you might want to visit DMT-Nexus.me

Schizophrenic people experience some pretty profound experiences without the aid of drugs too. The human mind is a powerful thing...


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Re: Ayahuasca in America [Re: Giftofdeprivation] * 1
    #22167549 - 08/31/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, though. As I once read on here "I've banged a djembe or two in my day" :lol:


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    #22167556 - 08/31/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The Native Americans are legit and really treat the ceremonies as sacred.




Who gives a fuck if the Indians treat it as sacred. Catholics treat red wine as sacred they don't get to interfere with my use of it, fuck em. If I meditate should I have to know a single thing about Buddism. No.

If Ayahuasca is legal in America it should available to all, and if some 'whitey' wants to experience Ayahuasca in a safe environmment staffed with people who know what their doing, then who gives a shit what they charge. Like-wise, if peyote is legal to Indians, it should be available to all. No discrimination.

Ayahuasca and peyote, or synthed mescalin, seeing as how rare peyote cacti are, should also be available to all. These camps, for profit or not, are a good thing in my mind.

The fact that some people may use Ayahuasca without believing in any of the religious mumbo-jumbo, but, still get something that might be considered 'personal growth' from it's use, can only be a good thing.






I'm not saying people can't use ayahuasca outside of an organized ceremony.

I eat psychedelics all the time lol.

I was just sharing insight from the things i have experienced just to add some perspective on how its used in certain areas in the US and the inner workings of certain aspects of the culture.


Their are just different experiences with different settings.  I'm pretty sure most psychedelic users can agree with that.

And most Native Americans who mainly use Cactus and other people who bring Ayahuasca from South America and other areas feel as if people shouldn't be charged money to be part of that type of experience.  They give it away for free.  It was just the fact they didn't like the way other organizations were profiting from it because they felt it turned the focus more towards profit and losing sight of what the origin of the ceremony is about.




These are just some things I've learned from being surrounded by this culture.  Not my beliefs.  Just my experiences of being exposed to this type of environment.


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Re: Ayahuasca in America [Re: Big Worm] * 2
    #22167565 - 08/31/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Bitter Cactus

People do eat psychedelics just for fun and to laugh. :shrug:


Some people use it in certain environments as a spiritual tool as they have for thousands of years.


Its not one or the other.


Both types of experiences can co exist.


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