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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10]
#22171233 - 08/31/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't find anything within or without. I've got a void to exist in until death. Drugs are yet another monotony. Spiritual practice is fruitless. All there is is stuff to pass the time. Waiting for the end.
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I've tried meditation, to find the answers inside. BUt I just get nothing. I'm not even sure how they are supposed to come to you.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10]
#22171520 - 08/31/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you sure you found nothing, these depths of emptiness, or was it something? Let's be clear, nothing is what you are telling us about here, ey?
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Kurt]
#22171786 - 08/31/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They say the answer lies within, but I'm not even sure how the answer is supposed to come or how you recognize it when it does.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10] 2
#22172230 - 09/01/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds like you've lost the "magic" we are all creators of our own destiny. learn how to use your imagination again.
there are infinite inner realms to be explored. life is supposed to be a creative journey, not something merely to be endured.
expand your focus beyond just "you" the world is actually your greatest ally. what you send out into it gets returned back to you.
if anything, do something that inspires you. surround yourself with beauty.
i've been through the same thing you're feeling right now. life might be teaching you an important lesson. listen to what it's saying. learn from it.
this experience is worth it.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10]
#22172435 - 09/01/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: They say the answer lies within, but I'm not even sure how the answer is supposed to come or how you recognize it when it does.
Are you clear on what you mean by a question or what you are focused on? What is this ascribed narration of sentences and arguments in other words? That you keep turning on? What's it worth?
Existence is vague, and dull, and that is maybe your own case of it, and maybe the world at the same time. But aside from contentions about this, why do you suppose you even have a good question on this basis?
Some schools of Buddhism say meaning comes in a phenomenal flash and others say it comes through the work. But then, both do not exclude the work, so it is moot.
Yoga means "to yoke", and if they say you will find anything it is in the form of doing that. You do the yoking or union. Meaning in meditation can seem less a cognitive idea, although it is a presenting of the way things are or how they present in phenomena, so there are truths to it. It is not an argument though, exactly.
What would proof be,? How well do you observe? Just as an anatomical concept of your physical body has almost nothing to do with physical existence, the idea of what is the case is not the point. An anatomy and ambling physiology of meaning, a meaning found in physical being is novel in its presence. Mind in yoga, is a subtle physical apparatus, it has properties of a fluctuating physical medium, it receives and molds to impressions; according to the central metaphor of the Sutras.
What is physical existence? It is finally recognizing also that some things are not just present, they are a matter of conditional maintainences and multivarious arisings. Therefore the existentialist critiques the metaphysics of presence, the compulsive turning, and tries to understand a world also with underappreciated absences. Everybody has a circular routine of everyday existence, that begins with night and day. Everybody is conditioned.
The stoics last but not least, sought to be like nature. What does this idea of nature mean? It is nothing less than physis, and yet the stoics believed there was something to meditating on this. To be like nature, to find it, become it, and so on, were all discrete possibilities due in part to a proximity to lucid experiences in the Greek world. "Physis" literally meant nature of being it was not some theoretical claim to make, but the way phenomena arose, including human existence. This is possible because Physis to the Greeks, meant "becoming" or "growth".
This is a good discussion of the stoic concept of nature or physis, that one could become.
https://m.reddit.com/r/Stoicism/comments/2726fg/what_does_it_mean_to_act_according_to_nature_what/
What you can find in many life philosophies, is that meaning is not just presented to you, because presence takes work, and can itself be appreciated. Arguably it should be. I recommend the stoics the most because they are the most accessible meditations on life itself.
To add to the Marcus Aurelius quotes...
"Nothing is more wretched than a man who traverses everything in a round, and pries into the things beneath the earth, as the poet says, and seeks by conjecture what is in the minds of his neighbours, without perceiving that it is sufficient to attend to the daemon within him, and to reverence it sincerely"
"Do the things external which fall upon thee distract thee? Give thyself time to learn something new and good, and cease to be whirled around. But then thou must also avoid being carried about the other way. For those too are triflers who have wearied themselves in life by their activity, and yet have no object to which to direct every movement, and, in a word, all their thoughts."
"This thou must always bear in mind, what is the nature of the whole, and what is my nature, and how this is related to that, and what kind of a part it is of what kind of a whole; and that there is no one who hinders thee from always doing and saying the things which are according to the nature of which thou art a part."
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10]
#22172592 - 09/01/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: How can I be sure that the answer lies within?
Cat Stevens Tea For The Tillerman On The Road To Find Out.
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resonant111 said: sounds like you've lost the "magic" we are all creators of our own destiny. learn how to use your imagination again.
there are infinite inner realms to be explored. life is supposed to be a creative journey, not something merely to be endured.
expand your focus beyond just "you" the world is actually your greatest ally. what you send out into it gets returned back to you.
if anything, do something that inspires you. surround yourself with beauty.
i've been through the same thing you're feeling right now. life might be teaching you an important lesson. listen to what it's saying. learn from it.
this experience is worth it.
Life is pain and suffering and magic is just mankinds best creation to cope with it all. It is not supposed to be anything, it just is.
The world has dealt me nothing but pain. It has just sent me pain after pain in the form of psychological affliction. Every time a problem resolved itself there was another one that was ten times worse and just damaged me even further. Life isn't magic its pain. This latest one has just damaged me probably beyond repair. So no, you haven't been through what I have been through. You're still stuck in the illusion that life is magical.
All life has taught me is that the magic I believed In is false. It has a cruel sense of humor, sending people into further and further suffering. Almost like it delights in watching me squirm.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis [Re: Thanatos10]
#22173989 - 09/01/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You sound quite attached to your way of thought and that's part of your problem imo. Life isn't gloomy and pain isn't bad. Talking about your psychological affliction is a suave way of playing the victim. Sooner or later you'll die and this will all be over. Quit being a pessimist and get some sun.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis [Re: cez]
#22174259 - 09/01/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: You sound quite attached to your way of thought and that's part of your problem imo. Life isn't gloomy and pain isn't bad. Talking about your psychological affliction is a suave way of playing the victim. Sooner or later you'll die and this will all be over. Quit being a pessimist and get some sun. 
If I am it's because of the way my life has gone. There I no reason for me to believe life gets better of that something far worse isn't lurking beyond. My life has been a downward spiral since the first affliction.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10]
#22174268 - 09/01/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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well at least you're aware that pain is part of life. it doesn't mean that has to be the ONLY part of life 
have you ever tried channeling your inner pain into say, art or literature or music? i find that to be a therapeutic and honest way of dealing with it.
alot of times pain simply wants to be acknowledged. and once we let it have it's say, it withers away.
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resonant111 said: well at least you're aware that pain is part of life. it doesn't mean that has to be the ONLY part of life 
have you ever tried channeling your inner pain into say, art or literature or music? i find that to be a therapeutic and honest way of dealing with it.
alot of times pain simply wants to be acknowledged. and once we let it have it's say, it withers away.
That's false. The pain remains, throbbing inside and feeding off itself. Pain is all life is, everything else is just temporary anesthesia. As for art or music I find it just feeds it more and more. But pain doesn't go away, it just sleeps.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10]
#22174406 - 09/01/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you should read "the short history of decay" by emil cioran. it's morbidly nihilistic and got me through a pretty rough patch in my life. i didn't feel so alone in my pain after reading it.
it used to be free on the internet but it looks like someone took it down....do a little searching, it's well worth the read.
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#22174492 - 09/01/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Goddamn Thanatos, stop acting like this is an intellectual position you are holding. You are whining and projecting, not arguing about what is true or false about the world.
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resonant111 said: you should read "the short history of decay" by emil cioran. it's morbidly nihilistic and got me through a pretty rough patch in my life. i didn't feel so alone in my pain after reading it.
it used to be free on the internet but it looks like someone took it down....do a little searching, it's well worth the read.
From what I have read it's the sort of thing that would drive you to suicide or destroy everything you believe in. Not exactly something to turn to for comfort.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Thanatos10] 1
#22175006 - 09/01/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanatos10 said: All life has taught me is that the magic I believed In is false.
Can you prove to us that the dullness and boredom you experience isn't false as well?
How is the 'magic' any more false than its reverse? And by magic I'm assuming we're talking about something like the opposite of suffering... joy, bliss, euphoria, etc.
Is it that life is actually this way, or that you've been dealt a shitty hand in life and have become biased because of this? "To the pure, all things are pure; to the base, all things are base."
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis. [Re: Hobozen]
#22175327 - 09/01/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to be different than this. But after the first occurrence happened people said this would get better, that I would get over it. Then it happened again, and again......and again. It happened so much that I began to realize that the promise of it gets better was just a sweet lie to give me hope.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis [Re: Thanatos10]
#22175358 - 09/01/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: You sound quite attached to your way of thought and that's part of your problem imo. Life isn't gloomy and pain isn't bad. Talking about your psychological affliction is a suave way of playing the victim. Sooner or later you'll die and this will all be over. Quit being a pessimist and get some sun. 
If I am it's because of the way my life has gone. There I no reason for me to believe life gets better of that something far worse isn't lurking beyond. My life has been a downward spiral since the first affliction.
It's not your life. You don't own life. To think it can't get better is to deny the fundamental reality that all things are transient. If you want to lock yourself up in your shitty past so be it, but if you want a better experience, make it so. A lot can change in a short time if you let it but if you dwell on what you had, you shouldn't be surprised when you get more of the same.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis [Re: cez]
#22175395 - 09/01/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes a lot can change. Things went from bad to so much worse. Pain was indeed transient but only to make room for something far worse. I have tried in the past to let things change and just when I think things are finally turning around for me, life throws something my way to smack me even further into the ground.
So yes things change, but not always for the better. I would kill to go back to be previous pains.
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Re: Mandibular Symphysis [Re: cez]
#22175457 - 09/01/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: It's not your life. You don't own life. To think it can't get better is to deny the fundamental reality that all things are transient.
Yeah, I already tried that one. Thanatos10, I think you must be the most resistant to logic human I have ever met. Congratulations man; I'm pretty blown away.
Would you just please, please, please do me one favour? Either seek therapeutic help or head on over to the 'Getting started' section of this forum and start learning about how to grow living things. You need a hobby, and something that's gonna make you see the light for the trees man. It's like you have an impenetrable castle wall of thoughts ready to fend off any possible intruder to your own belief system.
You, my friend, need a fucking paradigm shift.
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