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micropoint
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do what you feel man.. but carreful and avoid hppd and bad spirit ^^ cause they are hell...
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micropoint said: do what you feel man.. but carreful and avoid hppd and bad spirit ^^ cause they are hell...
you're kind freaking people out with this hppd talk man. its actually very rare to get it and if you are susceptible to it theres really no way to prevent it except for abstaining from all psychedelics.
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micropoint
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https://www.facebook.com/cheper.noreturn/videos/264224663635933/?l=7416804902873461787
public link you should be able to see it.
in this shitty interview am talking about my hppd.....
anyway... its real... it can happen to everybody..... well at least... 2 % or less people on earth can have hppd. am in .....
so its real ....
carreful x)
now... am drunk like hell am going to sleep, time in france is 4h25 morning....
time to go.....
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yea TWO PERCENT. it should be known but no reason to bring it up in every thread that you talk about
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voodoochild1000 said:

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I don't get that out there on 8g........ ....well..a couple times...
I'LL KEEP TRYING
You may just have a high natural tolerance, I've heard of some people that take 10+g and don't get past level 3.
Maybe you'd be interested in trying mushrooms combined with a reversible MAOI like syrian rue or b. caapi? It would lower the threshold you'd need to get into that mystical realm.
Also, it may be your choice of venue. I think I remember you saying you always trip outdoors? Outdoors is fun for low doses but distracting and counterproductive for high doses. There is something to be said for tripping in bed with the lights off and playing some spiritual music, for me classical indian music (ragas) as well as European classical like Beethoven and Bach often lead to great religious epiphanies, and psychedelics have a tendency to feed off of and get more powerful with music. When you're struggling with keeping aware of your surroundings and being hit with external stimuli, it is hard to turn the third eye inward and seek the inner realm.
And if you're not listening to music while tripping, you're missing out on half the fun. The music I listen to tends to set the narrative of the trip and a carefully planned playlist can be the difference between a "meh" trip, a bad trip or a transcendent mindfuck. 
If you're not getting to ego death territory and you'd like to get deeper and 8g isn't taking you there, I'd try mixing the mushrooms with some rue and try laying back, meditating in the dark with some spiritual music before I kept upping the dose beyond 8g, at that level you're going to be increasing a lot of bodyload and getting unpleasant side effects. IME, you shouldn't need more than 5g to have an out of body experience and meld completely with the universe.
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Especially with an maoi
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Bigfeely123
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If by natural tolerance you just mean that you can "handle it" better than some others then okay but I don't think there is such a thing as already having a tolerance for drugs before you've ever even taken them.
If you're taking 8 grams of mushrooms & not experiencing some level of ego loss then perhaps the mushrooms aren't fully dried yet. Of course I could be very wrong but just my thought on that.
8 grams of mushrooms should send someone to the moon.
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There's a baseline receptivity to psychedelics that everyone has that is inate to that person and varies from individual to individual. Some people literally don't get visuals off 5g and it's not a weight issue, it's the way their brain is effected. Just like some people can't handle weed, it just freaks them the fuck out and they trip out and get anxiety, whereas others with no tolerance are just laid back and enjoy themselves. Some people naturally take to speed and get all euphoric, some just feel ill. I happen to get very little euphoria from opiates so I don't like them all that much, whereas others feel all heavenly on them and love it.
Tolerance may not be the best word for it, but everyone has a natural threshold dose where they feel the full effects of the drugs, and for some reason some people have an unnaturally high threshold that seems like a natural "tolerance" for pyschedelics if you will. They have a hard time getting visuals and it's near impossible to reach ego death, you'll hear them talking about taking 10g or more and not being slain.
This is based on conversations with shroomerites, maybe some will chime in. I personally have a low natural tolerance, so the doses a lot of people throw out there seem stupidly high to me. I can handle my drugs exceptionally well, but I will be tripping the fuck out and blasting off into hyperspace at a much lower dose than you.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/02/15 11:49 PM)
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micropoint
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just speaking about that cause everybody think they are invincible, but its false your not x) it can happen to you./
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micropoint said: https://www.facebook.com/cheper.noreturn/videos/264224663635933/?l=7416804902873461787
public link you should be able to see it.
le doctor dans ton interview est vraiment tarer une dose toxic... on voit qui connait vrm rien
Traduction: the doctor in the interview is like you never know how much there is in shrooms (this is true) but then he says most of the time its a toxic dose . interviewer says : toxic like in poison? the doctor responds yes poison ...
im sorry what happenned to you, but for reall? your interview is such propagenda and demonization , HPPD is something rare as fuck . i mean i took shrooms first when i was 13 took it maybe a 100 times since and trip on tons of other psychedelic . in the interview they say your case can happen to everyone... NOT TRUE ITS REALLY FUCKIN RARE...alway had good grades and today i own a big buisness in the enviromental waste industrie and i still trip on occasion. i cant stand how france is such dumbasses when it comes to drugs gosh
Really unshroomy interview
Edit : jdit pas que cest de ta faute micropoint dsl si je resort comme un connard , jcomprend que tu es victime la dans et que tessai de prevenir les gens, mais linterview en general est Tlm ignorant sa me frustre.
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voodoochild1000
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micropoint said: do what you feel man.. but carreful and avoid hppd and bad spirit ^^ cause they are hell...
you're kind freaking people out with this hppd talk man. its actually very rare to get it and if you are susceptible to it theres really no way to prevent it except for abstaining from all psychedelics.
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I don't get that out there on 8g........ ....well..a couple times...
I'LL KEEP TRYING
You may just have a high natural tolerance, I've heard of some people that take 10+g and don't get past level 3.
Maybe you'd be interested in trying mushrooms combined with a reversible MAOI like syrian rue or b. caapi? It would lower the threshold you'd need to get into that mystical realm.
Also, it may be your choice of venue. I think I remember you saying you always trip outdoors? Outdoors is fun for low doses but distracting and counterproductive for high doses. There is something to be said for tripping in bed with the lights off and playing some spiritual music, for me classical indian music (ragas) as well as European classical like Beethoven and Bach often lead to great religious epiphanies, and psychedelics have a tendency to feed off of and get more powerful with music. When you're struggling with keeping aware of your surroundings and being hit with external stimuli, it is hard to turn the third eye inward and seek the inner realm.
And if you're not listening to music while tripping, you're missing out on half the fun. The music I listen to tends to set the narrative of the trip and a carefully planned playlist can be the difference between a "meh" trip, a bad trip or a transcendent mindfuck. 
If you're not getting to ego death territory and you'd like to get deeper and 8g isn't taking you there, I'd try mixing the mushrooms with some rue and try laying back, meditating in the dark with some spiritual music before I kept upping the dose beyond 8g, at that level you're going to be increasing a lot of bodyload and getting unpleasant side effects. IME, you shouldn't need more than 5g to have an out of body experience and meld completely with the universe. 
....agreed..... I've tried Syrian rue but I did two grams of mushrooms and 225 milligrams of extracted harmless. I believe the harmless was at the right level but I definitely needed more mushrooms I'm thinking next time I'll do 3.5 grams of mushrooms and the same amount of Syrian rue.
.... I've been thinking about that lately too as far as being distracted. Don't get me wrong it's a beautiful distraction with the beautiful earth and stars!
...... I put a lot of intense and thought into my set and setting and especially my music usually creating a custom playlist for every trip. I listen to some pretty awesome stuff. Classic psychedelic, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead, Miles Davis, Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers Band, a variety of cool jazz......
.... maybe the music distracts me a little bit but I also feel like it takes me further at the same time! I don't want to imagine a trip without the beautiful music. Maybe if I'm at the beach or by a river where there's a consistent and strong natural sound but at home its okay but not as many of those awesome natural sounds as when I'm out in the wilderness!
..... I'm going to do 7 grams of these Thai mushrooms that a friend gave me. Will be trippin by myself and focusing on the Miles Davis album b****** Brew!
.... I feel that this will be a good test of my ability to focus in on the trip and explore new realms without distraction.
......un less I score these geltabs.....then?.....who knows....
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Bigfeely123 said: If by natural tolerance you just mean that you can "handle it" better than some others then okay but I don't think there is such a thing as already having a tolerance for drugs before you've ever even taken them.
If you're taking 8 grams of mushrooms & not experiencing some level of ego loss then perhaps the mushrooms aren't fully dried yet. Of course I could be very wrong but just my thought on that.
8 grams of mushrooms should send someone to the moon.

...... been eating off the same batch for at least half a dozen trips all of them in the 78 gram range. Like I said I tripped good enough to have to escape from Pink Floyd show! Other people have straight freaked out on less than an AIDS or tripped quite well on an eighth even a couple people who split an eighth and had an awesome time!
..... gonna try 7 grams of these thai shrooms and see if there is a notable difference.....
..... like I said I would consider these shrooms moderate strength at least? On almost all of my mushroom trips at the peak it's amazing but part of me is always wondering what it would be like to go further!
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P.Zappatecorum said: There's a baseline receptivity to psychedelics that everyone has that is inate to that person and varies from individual to individual. Some people literally don't get visuals off 5g and it's not a weight issue, it's the way their brain is effected. Just like some people can't handle weed, it just freaks them the fuck out and they trip out and get anxiety, whereas others with no tolerance are just laid back and enjoy themselves. Some people naturally take to speed and get all euphoric, some just feel ill. I happen to get very little euphoria from opiates so I don't like them all that much, whereas others feel all heavenly on them and love it.
Tolerance may not be the best word for it, but everyone has a natural threshold dose where they feel the full effects of the drugs, and for some reason some people have an unnaturally high threshold that seems like a natural "tolerance" for pyschedelics if you will. They have a hard time getting visuals and it's near impossible to reach ego death, you'll hear them talking about taking 10g or more and not being slain.
This is based on conversations with shroomerites, maybe some will chime in. I personally have a low natural tolerance, so the doses a lot of people throw out there seem stupidly high to me. I can handle my drugs exceptionally well, but I will be tripping the fuck out and blasting off into hyperspace at a much lower dose than you.
.......Word.....gonna try Rue again.....or gummihuasca?...does this work.?
.... just to be clear I am tripping pretty good I'm just not completely laid out melting end of the universe and such. Great visuals with crazy spatial and depth perception weirdness and Sunset and stars are completely out of this world! Just not so called ego death!
..... hopefully Miles will take me there.......
-------------------- ....."So Great!"....-Me on 1.5mg LSD ...."We don't need this" -Larkin in response to my "just picked wild LSD!" post
Edited by voodoochild1000 (09/03/15 08:58 AM)
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Are you eating your doses or brewing tea? The fast come up with tea really helps with that melting feeling. With a slow come on it's easier to keep your cool and stay active.
I'd say brew a strong dose, like 5g with tea, if you feel like you need an maoi then add some rue, then consume, and lay down. If you know any meditation, then lie back and meditate. Focus on your breathing and clear your mind, wait for the peripheral effects to begin, then start your music and just focus on that. For me, the right music helps rather than destracts from going inward. Don't get up and move around, just lie down with your eyes closed and seek inward, try to focus your energy and consciousness on your ajna, or brow chakra, in the space between the eyes and an inch or so above your brow.
Attend to every nuance of the mushrooms, listen for the effects while you breathe slowly and regularly, be mindful of every little visual and let the music and mushrooms guide your thoughts in shroomy contemplation. I think that maybe you're fighting the mushrooms and trying to hold it together. Let things get weird, let the entities come and don't look away in fear or revulsion, focus on them and accept them, but do not let them sway you or fill you with fear. Remember the mantra against fear: “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Sometimes you will begin to get the fear, you will start to see the faces of death and decay, and if you fight them you will sometimes chase them away and have a fun trip, or you can lose and have a bad trip. But if you lie back and accept those images of death, allow the mushrooms to eat away at your flesh, burn away your ego and watch it wither and die and rot or burn away, your essence will remain, separate from the flesh and you will start the journey of death and rebirth. This can only happen when you're lying back in dark stillness with utter attention and focus turned inward.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/03/15 09:18 AM)
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filthyknees said: I suspect that feeling of never wanting to go back will fade with time. Glad you had a good time. 
Maybe, it hasn't yet for me. To OP that's crazy that you went for it! The first time I decided to try more than 3 grams it was 3.5 and the experience was completely different from my previous experiences, it felt like a completely different drug. I had literally thought I was dead and living in heaven on earth, everything was so surreal and perfect I literally could not believe I was alive and assured myself I had died somehow and was living in heaven, bombarded with eternal truth and wisdom, feeling connected to the universe as a whole or as one, literally feels like what you would think heaven would be. I don't know who would ever want or need anything more strong than this, it's so powerful and awe inspiring in a single moment of eternity when you're there you couldn't wish for anything else in life.
From the difference from 3.0 to 3.5 being so profound, I took this dose over a year ago and still am scared to go back that high, I have no need to take the risk of going that high again, I can't even comprehend or imagine what would be happening if I ever took more than 3.5 in fact I don't even want to know, that was enough for me. That's crazy you just took 5g like nothing I guarantee I would not be moving on that dose probably in another dimension completely out of this reality and I just don't have any need for that really.
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Aureus
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micropoint said: do what you feel man.. but carreful and avoid hppd and bad spirit ^^ cause they are hell...
Is mushrooms the only psychedelic you've ever taken?
I've never heard about hppd with shrooms.
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Re: 5 grams first time? [Re: Aureus]
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I've heard it happening from MDMA
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P.Zappatecorum
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Psychedelics change your mind- they rearrange connections and increase neurogenesis, your mind learns to think in new ways and some amount of the trippiness never goes away. The first few times you trip, you're like fuck man, I can never go back to the way things were. Don't take the red pill if you don't want to wake up.
Some amount of the changed paradigm and shifted consciousness will NEVER go away, and if you trip enough you may start sober tripping for a few seconds when you see something strange. That's more afterglow or raised consciousness than HPPD though, IMO, you train your mind to misinterpret data and see cool fractals and shit where there is nothing and it will continue to do it even without the drugs.
Actual HPPD is rare and if you lay off the psychs it generally will go away within 6 months. You really have to have some predisposition or hit it way too hard for it to be permanent, although I've heard that n-bomes and other RC psychs can give HPPD much more easily than the traditional indoles and are more prone to permanent damage.
I get fractal snow in the dark and decreased quality of night vision a few weeks after I take LSD, I imagine that if you took a high enough dose it could give you snow during the daytime but again, it should pass in time if you're not taking other drugs to exacerbate it.
The only time mushrooms stuck around and effected my sober life with lingering trippiness is back when I was tripping every weekend and I'd get space-out flashbacks where I'd stare at some pattern of light or other interesting thing and space out and get visuals.
One common thing I've noticed about people that complain about too much lingering effects after a trip is that they are still trying to smoke weed. Weed is a mild psychedelic and if you are trying to reduce HPPD and let your mind reset to baseline, you can't smoke weed or it will just bring back the trippiness.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (09/03/15 10:33 AM)
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