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wellcallmeroo92
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How long do spore syringes last?
#22164035 - 08/30/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ordered one from sporeworks about 2-3 months ago. It's been contained in the box it was shipped in. Does get hot and humid sometimes but usually the house stays around 72-75 degrees F and we keep the humidity low. I unpacked the syringe and the spores were clumped together but i've been shaking it and they are breaking up.
Think the spores are still good after this long?
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You're good, I have prints from 2007 that work fine
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: Peble]
#22164079 - 08/30/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Put them in the fridge
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: taGyo]
#22164080 - 08/30/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sweet 3 more questions: Does gypsum actually do what it's claimed to do? Do the tall 1/2 pint jars work as well as the wide mouth ones? What is the best verm coarseness?
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wellcallmeroo92 said: Sweet 3 more questions: Does gypsum actually do what it's claimed to do? Do the tall 1/2 pint jars work as well as the wide mouth ones? What is the best verm coarseness?
anyone? gotta go shopping soon
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I'm not even sure what gypsum is claimed to do other than be generically good for everything to a degree which is not easily observed. If that's the claim, then yes. I have a bag of the shit, maybe I'll worry about whether it does something when I run out XD
Tall jars are typically inferior since you can't get as deep an inoculation off/further to travel from inoculation site. Look into using Polypropylene (recycling number 5) containers from dollartree. You can either make holes and do the standard verm barrier PF tek, or a single hole and a self-healing injection port with silicon. Either way, make the holes with a soldering iron. You can probably replace 10$ of jars with 3-5$ of containers.
Not sure on the verm. Opinions seem to vary. They all will work. Most likely you won't have much choice anyway. Buy whatever is cheapest. I believe coarse is most often recommended.
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wellcallmeroo92 said: Sweet 3 more questions: Does gypsum actually do what it's claimed to do? Do the tall 1/2 pint jars work as well as the wide mouth ones? What is the best verm coarseness?
1. Yes, TC's like RR use it at every step of the process. Use it. 2. Yes, HOWEVER, good luck getting the cake out of the jar. Wide mouth is best. Dont have them? Wait for them. 3. Coarse is best, but fine is ok. You might have to use more water. Just make sure its at field capacity.
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thanks for the reply
i think for now its best to stick exactly to the tek for first times. but i may look into polypropylene in the future.
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field capacity.
say there's too much water, does one just squeeze it out or strain or what?
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PoIIo]
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wellcallmeroo92 said: Sweet 3 more questions: Does gypsum actually do what it's claimed to do? Do the tall 1/2 pint jars work as well as the wide mouth ones? What is the best verm coarseness?
1. Gypsum is a source of nutrients for the mycelium. Calcium is a huge nutrient in both the animal and plant kingdom. Fungus love it. I only use it in my bulk substrate. I wouldn't put them in jars again. The reason RR used it in rye jars, in small small amounts, was to prevent clumping. If added to your boil water it'll soak into the grains. If added into your soak water it'll just make a mess on the bottom of the bowl. Prep it without the gypsum first then prep with the gyp in jars and see which way you prefer. I've found that if you don't have a lot of burst kernels you'll do just fine.
2. No. Get 1/2 pint wide short jars. The tall jars have moisture problems and tend to stall or pin before full colonization.
3. Fine. Fine, fine, fine, fine. Fine holds more water then all the other ones. Fine is for mycology, the rest is for other shit.

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PoIIo said: 3. Coarse is best, but fine is ok. You might have to use more water. Just make sure its at field capacity.
Fine is for cultivation. Coarse is for gardening. Watch RR's videos, he's using fine. Fine holds more water which is what you want.
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Or you can just add more vermiculite. Assuming you're careful, it won't take much to get it balanced again.
I PC'd my tall half pints for 60 minutes. What came out was a slightly contracted puck that came out of the container just fine. This contraction may not occur if you're steaming. And if you have a PC, skip PF tek.
Also, I wouldn't even consider PP5's deviating from the tek if you can find them in a shape/size where the needle will reach from the lid into a 1 cup substrate. For instance they sell some that are the shape of say hummus/dip containers 5/$1 that would fit the bill. http://www.dollartree.com/Sure-Fresh-Small-Round-Storage-Containers-with-Lids-5-ct-Packs/p339568/index.pro
http://www.dollartree.com/household/food-storage/Sure-Fresh-Shallow-Square-Storage-Containers-with-Lids-3-ct-Packs/500c512c512p339565/index.pro?method=search These would also be fine if you used 5 inoculation points to cover the extra area. That's kinda the deal with PF tek. If spore solution isn't proximate to the majority of sub, they're prone to stalling/slow colonization.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PoIIo]
#22164548 - 08/30/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is the best verm coarseness?
3. Coarse is best, but fine is ok. You might have to use more water. Just make sure its at field capacity.
Fine is best.....noobs who give terrible advice should be ignored.
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thanks for the replies everyone.
when it comes to a fruiting chamber, will a tall germination station work fine?
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wellcallmeroo92 said: thanks for the replies everyone.
when it comes to a fruiting chamber, will a tall germination station work fine?
 pic pretty much related
No, they are not plants.....and they would be in the fruiting stage by then, not germination.
Follow this tek..... http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
Read and watch......then follow directions and profit.....
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wellcallmeroo92 said: usually the house stays around 72-75 degrees F and we keep the humidity low.
That is an OK temperature, no need for additional heat, which can often be risky if it fails in any way.
You made the right choice of vendor, but should not mention them in the cult forum. Should be good for at least a year, I dislike places selling large amounts of types as it could be older. Do not worry much about the clumping, there are lots of spores floating around, the large clumps are many thousands of spores. Some vendors sell ones which would appear clear.
I actually try not to get the big clumps mixed up at first. If there are contaminants on a print then the more spores injected per drop the more chance of contaminants. I like to keep the dark clump intact. Say in x years time only 1% of spores are viable, then I want a big clump to increase my chances.
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wellcallmeroo92 said: thanks for the replies everyone.
when it comes to a fruiting chamber, will a tall germination station work fine?
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PussyFart]
#22164888 - 08/30/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wellcallmeroo92 said: thanks for the replies everyone.
when it comes to a fruiting chamber, will a tall germination station work fine?
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No, they are not plants.....and they would be in the fruiting stage by then, not germination.
Follow this tek..... http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
Read and watch......then follow directions and profit.....
i am aware they wont be germinating. was just wondering. seems like a big plastic tub like one of those would work fine for humidity control and GE. the one i have doesnt have a heating pad or seed chambers and is quite large
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wellcallmeroo92 said: i am aware they wont be germinating. was just wondering. seems like a big plastic tub like one of those would work fine for humidity control and GE. the one i have doesnt have a heating pad or seed chambers and is quite large
You do not want to control the humidity, that is misinformation spread from noob to noob....
You want to control the amount of FAE(fresh air exchange) the tub gets.....this will control evaporation, and ultimately the RH level.....
Without constant evaporation, you cannot have constantly high RH....and in that sealed vessel, there will be very little FAE....
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PussyFart]
#22164916 - 08/30/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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and in that sealed vessel
so drill holes in it?
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PussyFart]
#22164918 - 08/30/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, monotubs work really well and they're easy to adjust FAE with the polyfill. For my first run, I built a bunch of smaller ones so if something went wrong or contaminated, I wouldn't lose all the eggs in my basket. The Sterlite bins from Walmart work great.
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: kn33b]
#22164921 - 08/30/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the link that helped me out a bunch.
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and in that sealed vessel
so drill holes in it?
Are you growing cakes or bulk?
For cakes, yes. 1/4"(6mm) holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, then fill it with 3-5" of moist perlite.
For bulk, I would buy a bigger tub.
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PussyFart]
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: PussyFart]
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and in that sealed vessel
so drill holes in it?
Are you growing cakes or bulk?
For cakes, yes. 1/4"(6mm) holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, then fill it with 3-5" of moist perlite.
For bulk, I would buy a bigger tub.
cakes. thanks for the info
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Cakes are cool to start and learn with, but I would suggest (if you're open to it) not investing a lot into that method. Once you've done a successful cake grow, I recommend bulk substrate in a monotub. It's way easier and yields more satisfying results. Post pics when you're done!
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Re: How long do spore syringes last? [Re: kn33b]
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kn33b said: Cakes are cool to start and learn with, but I would suggest (if you're open to it) not investing a lot into that method. Once you've done a successful cake grow, I recommend bulk substrate in a monotub. It's way easier and yields more satisfying results. Post pics when you're done!
yeah i'm not, i just wanna do it first this way. make a bunch of syringes from it and then invest in bulk
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